Police car burnt-out in bizarre accident!!!!!! - Page 2

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 09:09 PM

Let me know when youre happy. Surely the left front corner of this one would be lower.

I chose new because all others are privately owned, what suspension is in a privately owned one???

And the grass, its not that long, not long enough to catch fire anyway.

prydey · 23-12-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

They're not even the same models you're comparing.....
CV8 V GTO, VZ v VE... The VE is even sitting on grass, who knows how long it is!
you're still not taking into account the weight of the kit they carry around either, or the age of a used kitted out vehicle with worn suspension V a brand new one in an ad... Everyone knows new cars sit "high" till they settle..

also, quite often you will find a fair variation in ride heights in most high volume production cars.

ve's also do look low front on but hideously high from side on.

comparing 2 monaro's with one being empty and the other kitted out in police trim with 2 people in it will always have different heights.

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

also, quite often you will find a fair variation in ride heights in most high volume production cars.

ve's also do look low front on but hideously high from side on.

comparing 2 monaro's with one being empty and the other kitted out in police trim with 2 people in it will always have different heights.

I agree gear makes a difference, but not to the front.

Bobman · 23-12-2007, 09:21 PM

As HLC mentioned, they look lower because of the gear they carry in the boot and another thing. They are thrashed from heavy braking to acceleration and this "beds" in the suspension a tad lower than the average joe.

Also they're cruising around with full tanks most of the time.

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 09:24 PM

So the tanks in the front?

Braking? Yeah they brake hard at times, the notion being put forward seems to me to mean soft saggy springs that wont handle, car sits on bump stops.

Looked through 10 pages of 20 images and cant find a pic of a GTO from the side. Regardless, you dont think the front of that Police GTO is low?

Id really like someone to explain to me why I can spot an unmarked car a mile away. They just stand out. Im sure its the stance because I spot them long before I can see the aerials.

I dont know, all I know is I can always spot one.

wizardy · 23-12-2007, 09:25 PM

they shold be were paying for it

4Vman · 23-12-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Let me know when youre happy. Surely the left front corner of this one would be lower.

I chose new because all others are privately owned, what suspension is in a privately owned one???

And the grass, its not that long, not long enough to catch fire anyway.

your pics are pointless, they prove nothing.. different cars at different angles on different surfaces...
Here's some homework for you, go get to similar aged VE SS's with full tanks of fuel: 1 std, 1 a policecar, weigh them front to rear, then add the appropriate amount of weight to the lighter car, line them up side by side and nose to nose on LEVEL ground and take pictures of them... only then can you really get a fair comparrison..... and even then id say the police car will show greater suspension sag due to the weight and wear it gets from driving abuse..

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

your pics are pointless, they prove nothing.. different cars at different angles on different surfaces...
Here's some homework for you, go get to similar aged VE SS's with full tanks of fuel: 1 std, 1 a policecar, weigh them front to rear, then add the appropriate amount of weight to the lighter car, line them up side by side and nose to nose on LEVEL ground and take pictures of them... only then can you really get a fair comparrison.....

Its your idea, you do it.

That GTO is damn low. I bet if you drove one that low, they'd defect it.

4Vman · 23-12-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Its your idea, you do it.

That GTO is damn low. I bet if you drove one that low, they'd defect it.

I already know the answer.. you're the one who's doubting what everyone else is telling you!

For the record the GTO policecars have STOCK STD HSV suspension...

Bobman · 23-12-2007, 09:36 PM

I agree that many police cars would fail the coke can test.

Another factor that would make some Falcon / Commodore Police cars look lower is the lower tyre profile on Executive / Falcon XTs.

b2tf · 23-12-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I already know the answer.. you're the one who's doubting what everyone else is telling you!

For the record the GTO policecars have STOCK STD HSV suspension...

The GTO in the pics was on loan to Victoria Police, meaning it would have gone back to HSV once they were done with it. The only mods would have been all the markings and gear inside.

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I already know the answer.. you're the one who's doubting what everyone else is telling you!

For the record the GTO policecars have STOCK STD HSV suspension...

Im not saying I know they havent, but if you cant see that GTO is very low you should get the eyes tested old fella. Is it load, there better be a few hundred KG spread across it if it is. 200kg in the boot, yeah the bum would drop, but thats low all over.

I trust my eyes. I can spot one on the road a mile away. I cant pick lotto numbers, I cant solve crimes from a piece of the victims clothing, I dont believe Im psychic. There has to be a reason why they stand out.

Heres one POSSIBILITY, they dont tell anyone they are a little lower. They avoid the issue of it being technically illegal, yet do so for the handling improvements. A conspiracy theory, yeah I know. All I know is, I can spot them and there must be a logical reason for that.

4Vman · 23-12-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

The GTO in the pics was on loan to Victoria Police, meaning it would have gone back to HSV once they were done with it. The only mods would have been all the markings and gear inside.

That's correct..
Apart from the fact that ive got first hand knowledge that that car had STD HSV suspension it makes no sense to play around with ride heights on vehicles already designed as performance models... either from an economic point of view, safety point of view or performance point of view...

**Full Noise** · 23-12-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Heres one POSSIBILITY, they dont tell anyone they are a little lower. They avoid the issue of it being technically illegal, yet do so for the handling improvements. A conspiracy theory, yeah I know. All I know is, I can spot them and there must be a logical reason for that.

I can’t speak for QLD, however, in Victoria, police cars aren’t technically registered. They run under a government permit, as do many other emergency vehicles.

For this reason the don’t have to comply with ADRs, so technically they can’t be illegal. So, they can be as low as they want and there’s nothing that Joe public can do about it. I wouldn’t bother getting into technicalities with government vehicles as they have well and truly thought about these issues.

I’d bet a lazy $50 that QLD and NSW police run their cars under a similar permit scheme.

b2tf · 23-12-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I can’t speak for QLD, however, in Victoria, police cars aren’t technically registered. They run under a government permit, as do many other emergency vehicles.

For this reason the don’t have to comply with ADRs, so technically they can’t be illegal. So, they can be as low as they want and there’s nothing that Joe public can do about it. I wouldn’t bother getting into technicalities with government vehicles as they have well and truly thought about these issues.

I’d bet a lazy $50 that QLD and NSW police run their cars under a similar permit scheme.

The NSW ones wear normal plates but you're probably right.

prydey · 23-12-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

You sure about that.

you keep referring to this comparison. to me the front doesn't look low. the darkness around the tyre may make it look like it has less of a gap but that is an illusion only. there are 2 people in the front. that would be an extra 150kg give or take. thats enough to make it sit a tad lower already.

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I can’t speak for QLD, however, in Victoria, police cars aren’t technically registered. They run under a government permit, as do many other emergency vehicles.

For this reason the don’t have to comply with ADRs, so technically they can’t be illegal. So, they can be as low as they want and there’s nothing that Joe public can do about it. I wouldn’t bother getting into technicalities with government vehicles as they have well and truly thought about these issues.

I’d bet a lazy $50 that QLD and NSW police run their cars under a similar permit scheme.

I never meant it in that sense. If they were lowered, and that was public knowledge, then people would whinge, and state thats an admission that safety is increased with lowering. It would simply be to avoid the issue, hypothetically that is. Again, as I said, Im aware its a conspiracy theory. It was just postulation, not really meant to be serious.

That same set of rules they abide by are the reasons they can break speed limits.

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

you keep referring to this comparison. to me the front doesn't look low. the darkness around the tyre may make it look like it has less of a gap but that is an illusion only. there are 2 people in the front. that would be an extra 150kg give or take. thats enough to make it sit a tad lower already.

Actually what I looked at was the bottom of the side skirt and how high up the front rim it sits. Let alone the back, which is huge in difference. As stated its possible model variation. I just cant find a pic of a GTO with a decent angle for that purpose.

Hunter · 23-12-2007, 10:17 PM

What a pair of dumbasses... everyone knows that you don't park a hot car on combustible materials!! I know some jap sports cars have warning lights in the dash that tell you when the cat/exhaust is hot enough to cause a fire.

P.S. I'm fairly certain QLD cop cars ARE dropped down a little. A mate of mine knows a guy who works for the coppers in their workshop so I could ask him but I do remember him telling us once that they do indeed lower them.

**Full Noise** · 23-12-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

That same set of rules they abide by are the reasons they can break speed limits.

Cops can still get busted for breaking the speed limit while on duty if they don’t have a good enough reason.

Rodp · 23-12-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

I trust my eyes. I can spot one on the road a mile away. I cant pick lotto numbers, I cant solve crimes from a piece of the victims clothing, I dont believe Im psychic. There has to be a reason why they stand out.

Heres one POSSIBILITY, they dont tell anyone they are a little lower. They avoid the issue of it being technically illegal, yet do so for the handling improvements. A conspiracy theory, yeah I know. All I know is, I can spot them and there must be a logical reason for that.

I don't know about QLD, but they're not any lower in NSW. That GTO doesn't look any lower than any other GTO I've ever seen, either.

How do you know they're unmarked cop cars if you're a mile away? Why can't it be Joe Blow with a lowered GTO?

fmc351 · 23-12-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I don't know about QLD, but they're not any lower in NSW. That GTO doesn't look any lower than any other GTO I've ever seen, either.

How do you know they're unmarked cop cars if you're a mile away? Why can't it be Joe Blow with a lowered GTO?

I have no idea other than stance on the road. Thats what I was getting at. I can spot them from a couple hundred metres (Yeah, I doubt I could make out model from a genuine mile) heading straight at me down a highway. I can spot them when Im coming up on one from behind too.

Once you pass them, its not hard to tell up close. I dont assume to count those Ive never got close too after spotting them. It used to be real easy once you were nearly beside them with pursuit rims, then the inevitable badge on the sleeve, dohickeys on the dash.

Bobman · 23-12-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Cops can still get busted for breaking the speed limit while on duty if they don’t have a good enough reason.

I'm sure they can but a conviction is rare.

**Full Noise** · 23-12-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

I'm sure they can but a conviction is rare.

I would have said something similar, but I don’t want the thread to be closed.

b2tf · 23-12-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

I'm sure they can but a conviction is rare.

About three months back a court case here was publicised where an on-duty HWP officer did 200+kms up the Hume Hwy for no particular reason, no lights no sire. He was busted back to desk duties and lost his licence for 12 months, so it can happen.

Another one that comes to mind is a cop in QLD who crashed a HWP car and killed another officer, was speeding for no reason, no lights no siren.

Bobman · 23-12-2007, 10:43 PM

Thanks b2tf, I recall hearing about those incidents. Not pretty.

Just more on topic, with my own cars and testing this method. With new springs installed. The more heavy brake applications the more chance the front of your car will sag. Mine sits a tad lower than other BA's on SL springs.

I very much doubt that any Police service in the country would remove and reassemble different springs to the already lower springs supplied in a police pack vehicle.

It's like people saying police cars have chips and different camshaft profiles, etc. With tight budget constraints I cannot see this happening to be honest.

Tha Jack · 23-12-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Police officers have been left red-faced after a highway patrol car parked on the side of a road in Sydney's west was destroyed by fire.

Officers parked the car on Cowpasture Rd at Horsley Park while they set up for speed checks at 10pm last night.

The car was burnt-out when pine woodchips on the side of the road underneath where it was parked ignited.

A police spokeswoman said highway patrol cars were low-slung and the heat from the engine caused the woodchips to catch fire.

The officers were not injured.

It says "highway patrol cars were low-slung" how low slung ? to catch wood chips alight, was it legally lowered ??? makes me wonder ???

Hahahahahaha Would of loved to of been there to see that(picturing the look on there faces) Classic!!!

Rodp · 24-12-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

I have no idea other than stance on the road. Thats what I was getting at. I can spot them from a couple hundred metres (Yeah, I doubt I could make out model from a genuine mile) heading straight at me down a highway. I can spot them when Im coming up on one from behind too.

You can tell an inch difference in ride height from a couple of hundred meters away, closing in at ~200kph while driving your car?! I certainly hope you're using that skill and turning into dollars, fighter pilot immediately springs to mind.

fmc351 · 24-12-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

You can tell an inch difference in ride height from a couple of hundred meters away, closing in at ~200kph while driving your car?! I certainly hope you're using that skill and turning into dollars, fighter pilot immediately springs to mind.

I do turn it into dollars, I dont get fines. They stand out, you have to wonder why.

Rodp · 24-12-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

I do turn it into dollars, I dont get fines. They stand out, you have to wonder why.

Well it bolsters your argument to claim that you can pick one from so far away, therefore they must be a lowered unmarked (as opposed to a Holden driver who lowered their car). You're selling your skill short if you really can see an inch difference from 200 meters away with ~200kph of closing speed and conclude that it must be an unmarked.

I don't get fines either but that's not because I can spot an unmarked HWP coming in the other direction with extrodinary observational skills.

Seriously, submit yourself for study, we could have a real life 'Heroes'!