who dictates classic car prices and the like... - Page 2

Justin@ · 11-01-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

"solid investment" and "car" are 2 words that should rarely be used together..... certainly not for anything manufactured after 1978... or missing GT or GTHO in its title...
The brock hype has subsided now..

You are right on that 4vman...If it aint won bathurst then it aint going to really be a money spinner....As for the E-series becoming collectable.

i really havnt laughed that hard in ages.

zetec · 11-01-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by iamdeath

nowhere have i said an xf is a classic collectable....but the fact that older versions are pulling big cash makes my ol gin bus xf a pricey item...my point is why are ppl thinking they can just whack anyold price on a heap...

Supply and demand. The basic principle of capitalist economies.

BENT_8 · 11-01-2008, 04:56 PM

I dunno, those ESP's are nudging mid $20's now but i think thats about where anything from the Blue oval will end unless it's carrying the GT nameplate, and by that i mean pre dime a dozen BA's (sorry BA/F GT/GT-P owners)

BENT_8 · 11-01-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZC-383

You are right on that 4vman...If it aint won bathurst then it aint going to really be a money spinner....As for the E-series becoming collectable.

i really havnt laughed that hard in ages.

Haha, i can see it now, Bowden sell Ph4 because it never won Bathurst

XCSEDAN · 11-01-2008, 05:08 PM

XD/E prices have been going up over the last little while, especially ESPs and Factory 8s, there may be some worth in buying an E-series but unless it's a sprint or another collectable model i wouldn't buy one i don't think....

as for not having GT or HO in the name i disagree, considering i've been offered 5K for the poo barge BEFORE rust repairs.... and its a bottom line 250 3spd column manual from the factory, i only paid $2100, but yeah i think it just depends what you buy, and more importantly WHO IS BUYING IT, maybe theres a centimental connection to that type of car....

Quasi · 11-01-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZC-383

If it aint won bathurst then it aint going to really be a money spinner....As for the E-series becoming collectable.

i really havnt laughed that hard in ages.

Hang on......is it my imagination or did you just contradict yourself?

Of course, it was just a momentary lapse that you forgot both an EB and EL won Bathurst.

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considering i've been offered 5K for the poo barge BEFORE rust repairs....

I hope you knee capped that deaf, dumb, and blind guy to stop him getting away

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Haha, i can see it now, Bowden sell Ph4 because it never won Bathurst

And the price plummets for the same reason

XCSEDAN · 11-01-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasi

I hope you knee capped that deaf, dumb, and blind guy to stop him getting away

no i didn't want to sell it at the time.... took me a long time to find a decent original car.

iamdeath · 11-01-2008, 05:39 PM

4vman we cant all own gt falcs...you do so more power to you...
thge point of this thread was not about one particular model..it was all cars in general...

Justin@ · 11-01-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasi

Hang on......is it my imagination or did you just contradict yourself?

Of course, it was just a momentary lapse that you forgot both an EB and EL won Bathurst.

LOL@ you ...Yes they did but not off the showroom floor aye....drongo

NAK302 · 11-01-2008, 05:58 PM

as usual, the same old propaganda from posters with their own agenda to push :togo:

iamdeath · 11-01-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-0733

as usual, the same old propaganda from posters with their own agenda to push :togo:

who is that directed at?

HEMI POWER · 11-01-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ZC-383

LOL@ you ...Yes they did but not off the showroom floor aye....drongo

The winning GT's back in the 70's were not really showroom spec either, more mods than most would realise.

Alex.

Justin@ · 11-01-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

The winning GT's back in the 70's were not really showroom spec either, more mods than most would realise.

I dare say that the old school gt's had a lot less done to them than the v8 supersars though hey!!!! Granted they did have mod's but nothing too drastic...
But the fact still remains that the old school gt's had RACING PEDIGREE that the newer cars could never even hope to achieve and therefore are highly sort after, thus the price.

macman · 11-01-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-0733

as usual, the same old propaganda from posters with their own agenda to push :togo:

I'd have to agree with this statement here from my understanding of the content of this thread.

Naturally, the guy with the GT will come in and say the only Aussie Ford 'worth' paying top dollar for is a GT.

Another might jump in with "only worth having if they've won a race"

As far as i'm concerned this is irrelevant???

GT's are in a different realm at the moment (don't want to start an argument as this isn't really the crux of the thread) but at first glance they could EASILY be labeled OVERPRICED (If i had $200,000 to spend on a car it WOULDN'T be a Falcon) - no offense, they're nice cars but you can do better.

Additionally as Zetec said "Supply and demand. The basic principle of capitalist economies." People will pay what they have to get what they want (to put it simply).

Lastly, rising prices of currently less desirable cars could be blamed on the insanely high prices of the more desired (back to supply and demand). In theory IF i wanted a XY GTHO and couldn't afford it, maybe i'd go for a cheaper XW GT? If i wanted a XW GT and couldn't afford it, i'd go the next best thing (at a cheaper price) and so on...

A long way down the track, maybe the guy who couldn't afford or find a XC GXL would instead go for a 'cheaper' XD ESP... Or the guy who wanted a XE ESP (but with a small pocket) decided on the best damn 5 speed EFI S Pack XF he could get??!!!

I think this is a factor in what drives the prices up on less desirable cars - as the more desirable ones above start to come unreachable by more and more people. If I was a GT collector with a few 100k to spare and decided it was time for a XE ESP i'd buy the best i could find at whatever price it was.

It sounds silly at first, but maybe the short-run of 3.2 Litre series one EA's will be more desirable one day when they're looked at as a 'rarity' or a 'turning point' for Ford.

Not trying to pick on anyone in particular here - just adding my 2c (i wouldn't usually comment in a thread like this) simply as i could go on and on...

iamdeath · 11-01-2008, 06:40 PM

The Whole Point Of This Thread Wasnt A One Make Rant....it Was A General Topic...

Nostalgia · 11-01-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iamdeath

The Whole Point Of This Thread Wasnt A One Make Rant....it Was A General Topic...

Well it is a Ford Forum and you were the one who mentioned paying top dollar to get yourself into a XF. I guess it has just gone on from there.

cob115 · 11-01-2008, 07:05 PM

oh dear iv got a xf bush basher i use on the farm,goes pretty good to ,jumps well except for the landings .ey corumba,i remember when i was young thinking the same bout xa xb xc models ,(if it ant a gt it would be worthless) boy were we wrong !

iamdeath · 11-01-2008, 07:09 PM

my xf experience was an example......all this thread seems to have done is pull the out of the woodwork...no wonder i dont post here usually...

HEMI POWER · 11-01-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZC-383

I dare say that the old school gt's had a lot less done to them than the v8 supersars though hey!!!! Granted they did have mod's but nothing too drastic...
But the fact still remains that the old school gt's had RACING PEDIGREE that the newer cars could never even hope to achieve and therefore are highly sort after, thus the price.

Fair call, but i'm in the same boat as macman on this one. I think older GT's are way overpriced and coming from a family with a great pedigree of some great australian muscle cars a few non GT's that we have had were easily my pick any day.Still love the ol XB though

: I can easily see some of the E series cars becoming quite collectable in the future aswell.

cupic · 11-01-2008, 07:21 PM

demand dictates worth

cob115 · 11-01-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iamdeath

my xf experience was an example......all this thread seems to have done is pull the out of the woodwork...no wonder i dont post here usually...

wel my point was who knows what future car prices will be ?what models will go nuts?,i started to collect cars that i had a likeing for ,pure and simple,ya get a few others who for what ever reason like that car and bingo demand! then you get the investers dealers comeing in to make a few $$$ with no other intrest but to make $up again

HEMI POWER · 11-01-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cupic

demand dictates worth

Thats right, and going by the market trend today X series GT's are in high demand.Maybe in years to come some of the newer type cars will become the forte for the next and upcoming generation.

Alex.

4Vman · 11-01-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-0733

as usual, the same old propaganda from posters with their own agenda to push :togo:

Welcome back! hows things in Moronbah...?

I can't see any propaganda here, but as usual when it comes to the classics your posts are tainted with a tinge of "green"....
In any event no single person can control prices, the wider market will through supply and DEMAND, the net result is their value!! :thebirds:

**aussiblue** · 11-01-2008, 08:36 PM

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demand dictates worth

Not alone is also dependant on supply or the abundance of the model in question. The price will only rise when there are more people in the market wanting to buy than their are people willing to sell at that price.

4Vman · 11-01-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

Not alone is also dependant on supply or the abundance of the model in question. The price will only rise when there are more people in the market wanting to buy than their are people willing to sell at that price.

Yes to a point.. but it will depend greatly on what "value" people place on the vehicle in question, some vehicles will always command a greater premium regardless of how many are around...
Some People really struggle with this, but the reasons HO's and to a lesser degree GT's command the most dollars is because of the bathurst and race heritage, you can deny it, you can hate it, you can reject it, but its the facts.... there are allot of people who simply place an enourmous value on this..... and pay it.

Nostalgia · 11-01-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes to a point.. but it will depend greatly on what "value" people place on the vehicle in question, some vehicles will always command a greater premium regardless of how many are around...
Some People really struggle with this, but the reasons HO's and to a lesser degree GT's command the most dollars is because of the bathurst and race heritage, you can deny it, you can hate it, you can reject it, but its the facts.... there are allot of people who simply place an enourmous value on this..... and pay it.

Well said 4Vman, i agree. The Race Heritage from Bathurst in the seventies and even late 60s is the reason i have a passion for these cars. The fact that they look tough standing still is another reason. They are iconic, simple as that.

HEMI POWER · 11-01-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NostalgEA

Well said 4Vman, i agree. The Race Heritage from Bathurst in the seventies and even late 60s is the reason i have a passion for these cars. The fact that they look tough standing still is another reason. They are iconic, simple as that.

Your not wrong the XC Cobra got my blood flowing blue, would love to own one one day.

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4Vman · 11-01-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

Your not wrong the XC Cobra got my blood flowing blue, would love to own one one day.

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The Cobra is a classic example of Bathurst heritage over riding anything else, the Cobra was a Bathurst special, (well 30 of them were) it didnt even win, in road spec they were tame yet they fetch big money, all because of the Bathurst tie.

HEMI POWER · 11-01-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The Cobra is a classic example of Bathurst heritage over riding anything else, the Cobra was a Bathurst special, (well 30 of them were) it didnt even win, in road spec they were tame yet they fetch big money, all because of the Bathurst tie.

It's not only the cars that Bathurst sucks in, haven't missed one for a while

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Alex.

**aussiblue** · 11-01-2008, 10:42 PM

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Yes to a point.. but it will depend greatly on what "value" people place on the vehicle in question, some vehicles will always command a greater premium regardless of how many are around...
Some People really struggle with this, but the reasons HO's and to a lesser degree GT's command the most dollars is because of the bathurst and race heritage, you can deny it, you can hate it, you can reject it, but its the facts.... there are allot of people who simply place an enourmous value on this..... and pay it.

Yes and No. As legendary as they are, if they had made 1 million GTHO Phase III's and most had survived they would not be getting today astronomical prices. Instead probably prices more like more common collectables like E type Jags and Panteras. Also if they had made lots they would no longer have that exclusivity that attracts some collectors.

One reason for the high prices is those guys who were 18 in the 70's and wanted a GTHO are now empty nesters who probably at least own their house if not a lot more, and can now afford to spend the sort of money being asked. They are also close to retirement and will have the time to play with these beasts.