Supermarket plastic bag surcharge.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by HLC

WE DONT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE ENVIRONMENT.

Bugger off you generation-Y-hippy. We do so - use good old brown paper bags which can be recycled. I'm all for a ban on plastic bags, I still get weird looks from people at work now when I dont offer bags - would rather carry their stuff out to their car.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

The idea is that they can be reused hundreds of times. you dont buy them then throw them out. Also, although unlikely, if everyone bought them the amount needed to be manufactured would decline over time and so eventually their impact would be very minimal compared to plastic bags. you need to look at the broader picture.

Yet, now I'll have to buy garbage bags instead of using the bags I get from shopping. I've just changed to putting my garbage in a different plastic bag which I now have to buy.

So what is this broader picture you speak of?

[StAndArdAU]

Say you use 8 plastic bags per shop yeah
The green bags are designed to last a hundred plus times.
The green bags carry 2.5 times the amount of a regular bag.
So for the same shop visit you will use 3 bags.
After 100 visits to the shop you would have used 800 plastic bags.
How many green bags would you have used???------> 3 (Three)

Garbage bags are much larger and hold much larger quantities than shopping bags. you would end up using maybe 1 bag to every 3 shopping bags.

[Yellow_Festiva]

This whole enviro friendly BS is starting to get annoying.

Tell me who goes home and just tosses out their plastic bags? Like others, mine get used in the house for general garbage. My rubbish bin is a 99c 10L bunnings plastic bucket for this very reason, cause a plastic shopping bag fits in perfectly.

So what's the answer, start paying for bags? Then we need to buy the plastic bag on a roll for our garbage bins. Yup, really enviro friendly that is!

Stay tuned, watch this space, whatever you want to use / say. We are now starting to buy and sell 'carbon credits' etc etc etc.

Why couldn't I have been born in 1929, not 1979... no PC BS, no bloody Kyoto, if you were gay you were happy and cars had so much un restrained testosterone they needed to be shaved lol.

Bugger, my Burbon and coke is done... got to love BWS, 2 bottles for $52 :

[StAndArdAU]

if people are going to whinge about having to buy garbage bags then this country really is in a state of economical despair.

Would you like everything for free?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

if people are going to whinge about having to buy garbage bags then this country really is in a state of economical despair.

Would you like everything for free?

Ditto

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

if people are going to whinge about having to buy garbage bags then this country really is in a state of economical despair.

Would you like everything for free?

But that's just it, they are not 'free'. They are factored into the retail price of what we buy, just like transport, wages, loss from theft, rent, power, etc etc etc

Lets just say they start to charge us for bags, will supermarkets then drop 1c off every item on their shelves? Course not.

If we pay for them directly or indirectly, we are still paying for them in the end.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

But that's just it, they are not 'free'. They are factored into the retail price of what we buy, just like transport, wages, loss from theft, rent, power, etc etc etc

Lets just say they start to charge us for bags, will supermarkets then drop 1c off every item on their shelves? Course not.

If we pay for them directly or indirectly, we are still paying for them in the end.

That’s a good point, although I think it was mentioned in post 7, yet many still don’t realise this.

How many people here know how much plastic is used in the securing and transport of supermarket stock?

Every time a pallet is shrink-wrapped to stop it collapsing, you could kiss goodbye to enough plastic to make 100 plastic bags. While we’re at it, let’s ban disposable nappies because they take just as long to break down as plastic bags, however, unlike plastic bags, I choose not to re-use them.

This whole plastic bag surcharge is just a way that an incompetent government can do something to look like they care about the environment, when all they really care about is how many $$$ they can raise for some BS feel good project. I’d love some of you tree huggin’ hippies who support this to step out into the real world and see how much is really wasted before you get your groceries home.

If the government told Ford to put a surcharge on their cars because tyres take two zilloin years to break down, you’d all be up in arms. How can people that choose to drive performance cars be such a bunch of hypocrites?

If you really care that much about the environment, sell your bloody car and ride a pushbike. Grow your own food in your back yard, drink water from the local creek and pi$$ on your lemon tree.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

This whole plastic bag surcharge is just a way that an incompetent government can do something to look like they care about the environment, when all they really care about is how many $$$ they can raise for some BS feel good project. I’d love some of you tree huggin’ hippies who support this to step out into the real world and see how much is really wasted before you get your groceries home.

If the government told Ford to put a surcharge on their cars because tyres take two zilloin years to break down, you’d all be up in arms. How can people that choose to drive performance cars be such a bunch of hypocrites?

If you really care that much about the environment, sell your bloody car and ride a pushbike. Grow your own food in your back yard, drink water from the local creek and pi$$ on your lemon tree.

Mate... THAT is my point exactly!.... It is not a whinge for whinging sake!... This is just the beginning... 12 months, 18 months from now we'll be slugged with the carbon tax on fuel... Watch the "whingers" whine then!

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

Say you use 8 plastic bags per shop yeah.

The green bags are designed to last a hundred plus times.
The green bags carry 2.5 times the amount of a regular bag.
So for the same shop visit you will use 3 bags.
After 100 visits to the shop you would have used 800 plastic bags.
How many green bags would you have used???------> 3 (Three)

Garbage bags are much larger and hold much larger quantities than shopping bags. you would end up using maybe 1 bag to every 3 shopping bags.[/QUOTE]

I use less than 8 bags per shop but since I live in a unit I also use garbage bags that are more or less the same size as shopping bags. I know it's time to do a shop when I've either run out of bog roll or shopping bags to use for garbage.

[TOASTED]

gees im set to make MILLIIIOOONNNNSSSSS ive got like 25 0000 0000 000 plastic bags in my broom cupboard im gonna sell them back to woolies!

[TOASTED]

this thread really is useless, i cannot complain tho, it seems about 50% of the threads i create are also exactly that. it seriously can be around too much longer.

Ready 3......2.........1 and a half.......1............

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by conordec

plastic bags don't degrade, even in the sun it takes 1000 plus years.

Wish the car makers would use the same plastic in their cars.

[StAndArdAU]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

That’s a good point, although I think it was mentioned in post 7, yet many still don’t realise this.

How many people here know how much plastic is used in the securing and transport of supermarket stock?

Every time a pallet is shrink-wrapped to stop it collapsing, you could kiss goodbye to enough plastic to make 100 plastic bags. While we’re at it, let’s ban disposable nappies because they take just as long to break down as plastic bags, however, unlike plastic bags, I choose not to re-use them.

This whole plastic bag surcharge is just a way that an incompetent government can do something to look like they care about the environment, when all they really care about is how many $$$ they can raise for some BS feel good project. I’d love some of you tree huggin’ hippies who support this to step out into the real world and see how much is really wasted before you get your groceries home.

If the government told Ford to put a surcharge on their cars because tyres take two zilloin years to break down, you’d all be up in arms. How can people that choose to drive performance cars be such a bunch of hypocrites?

If you really care that much about the environment, sell your bloody car and ride a pushbike. Grow your own food in your back yard, drink water from the local creek and pi$$ on your lemon tree.

Who says we dont do some of that already?
I dont really care about the environment, i own two cars one of which is a V8, i was mearly trying to jusify the reasoning behind the decision for the tax. Personally if it adds an extra dollar to my bill i couldnt really give a rats . I find it strange that people feel the need to complain about something thats not worth the time or effort. If you havent got enoughmoney to pay for plastic bags, disconnect your internet account and use that money.

[deesun]

As for securing pallet stock, the major s/markets have reduced that considerably in the last 2 years. Only about 1/4 of a load now comes on pallets so no need to shrink wrap.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

Who says we dont do some of that already?
I dont really care about the environment, i own two cars one of which is a V8, i was mearly trying to jusify the reasoning behind the decision for the tax. Personally if it adds an extra dollar to my bill i couldnt really give a rats . I find it strange that people feel the need to complain about something thats not worth the time or effort. If you havent got enoughmoney to pay for plastic bags, disconnect your internet account and use that money.

Really? OK, I’ll type really slowly so you can understand me.

The point is that this gives the government a platform to base future taxes and charges on so that they can make us feel guilty about our impact on the environment. What happens when they eventually ban plastic bags and those stupid green things are the only alternative? I’ll bet my left one that the price rises significantly. Will the supermarkets reduce their prices because they no longer have to purchase plastic bags? Of course they will. That’ll happen the same day that Hell freezes over.

Anyone here remember the Pyramid Building Society where people lost their money because they were greedy / gullible, whatever, so the then Kirner government whacked 3 cents on the price of fuel? As far as I know, we’re still paying for that because the government isn’t in the business of removing taxes.

What next, taxing dairy farmers for the methane that their cows emit, or a London style congestion charge for people who chose to drive their vehicles during peak hour? If we bend for them on issues like this, the next round of taxes will be more extreme.

Originally Posted by deesun

As for securing pallet stock, the major s/markets have reduced that considerably in the last 2 years. Only about 1/4 of a load now comes on pallets so no need to shrink wrap.

Really, the 18 years that I’ve been in the transport game tells me otherwise.

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

Personally if it adds an extra dollar to my bill i couldnt really give a rats.

Edit. I didn’t realise that you worked for Rio Tinto. NEWS FLASH, there’s actually a lot of people who are doing it pretty tough these days, although you probably wouldn’t know about it where you are.

[deesun]

Well the loads I see come off the Linfox truck at work tell the story. 2-3 years ago and I believe longer for some, the majors changed from pallets to roll cages, now in most cases more than half the load comes on these, then some come in recyclable plastic tubs and the bulk stock like dunny paper,drinks and some other stock come on pallets. Theres no shrink wrap on roll cages mostly and none on the tubs. Thats just what I see.

[Full Noise]

Ah, but that’s what you see. Do you see what the freight looks like before it gets to their distribution centre?

[olfella]

If woollies and co can give 4cents discount on fuel after a $30 spend, then why cant they do the same with bags? Spend $2 buck and get a free bag to take your purchses home. Another thing, if we stop using recycled bags, then where will all the wheelie bins come from?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Ah, but that’s what you see. Do you see what the freight looks like before it gets to their distribution centre?

I could only imagine mate seeing the state it gets into our stores sometimes.

[deesun]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Ah, but that’s what you see. Do you see what the freight looks like before it gets to their distribution centre?

And I do believe I said the majors have cut down. Before it gets to the distribution centres it is not their freight i would assume it is delivered by the companies who sell the product. Irrespective there has been a decrease in the amount of wrap fron dc to store.

[deesun]

Originally Posted by 51RTE

I could only imagine mate seeing the state it gets into our stores sometimes.

Still better now with roll cages and tubs with less back breaking handling at store level.

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by charliewool

I know what I'll be doing!... And that's to leave the whole bloody lot of my shopping at the checkout when the levy appears on the checkout screen!
If enough do the same, Coles & Woolies will soon be wallowing in rotting groceries at each checkout.

So the people at the registers are government are they and you plan on punishing them for the descision? If everybody did what you want it would add to the shrinkage figures of that shop thus putting prices up on other products to cover the loss. Then you would whinge about that!!!

[iCat]

Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

Aldi have charged customers for plastic bags since 2001

all the supermarkets have the cost of plakki bags in built into their products. aldi and bunnings are just the only ones to be up front about the charge. you really don't think we get the plakki bags for free?

yes, it's a pointless whinge, but for me the issue is that we pay for these things already. it seems to be another grab for money by the government.

[StAndArdAU]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Really? OK, I’ll type really slowly so you can understand me.
Edit. I didn’t realise that you worked for Rio Tinto. NEWS FLASH, there’s actually a lot of people who are doing it pretty tough these days, although you probably wouldn’t know about it where you are.

Ah yes my lucrative Rio Tinto job that i've had for 2 months...must make me a millionaire yes?!? People where i am have debts too mate. Not everyone is living the 'mining high life' you read about and watch about on tele. Dont be so quick to judge.

the whole 4 cents a litre petrol discount is a bit of a sham if you ask me, "wow i just spent $120 on groceries and now i'm gonna get $2.50 off of my petrol bill...cant wait." doesnt really help when we're paying $1.76 for fuel.

I did fail to notice that this is only being implemented in VIC atm. i guess being in WaitAwhile it'll be years before we adopt such a groundbreaking idea, like when electricity and sliced bread were invented.