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15-04-2009, 04:42 PM | #31 | |||
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15-04-2009, 05:03 PM | #32 | |||
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Holden and Ford are both finally diversifying their portfolio but with the falling demand in large sedans each consecutive year the Commodore will absolutely not be the best selling car in a few years. |
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15-04-2009, 05:09 PM | #33 | ||||
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Maybe if Ford revived the Cortina or RWD Capri with a choice of locally built engines they could sell a few cars. I'd probably at least go for a test drive.
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15-04-2009, 05:40 PM | #34 | ||
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Problem is building a small car costs virtually the same as a big one, yet obviously the small one sells for less.
So commenting on how Ford and Holden have been short sighted is being a little simplistic. Also unlike Camera companies, car companies basically have to predict the market as far as 10 years ahead.
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15-04-2009, 07:00 PM | #35 | ||
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Won't the price of second hand cars go through the roof?
Look at New Zealand they allow imports at reasonable rates and the local car market (Ford/Holden) don't rate there as much now in new car sales as the 10 year old import offers better options etc than the current Ford/Holden. As it has been said earlier bring our locally made cars up to world class standard. When I was in England in 1998 a friend of mine had an Audi A4 Quattro diesel yes diesel and it went like S@#t off a shiny shovel the options/ safety features in the car were amazing and the price over there was basically the same for a middle of the road ford or holden. Why??? |
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15-04-2009, 08:56 PM | #36 | |||
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It is good to see the bulk of posters can see some sense in the fact that protectionism is a very bad idea. |
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15-04-2009, 09:22 PM | #37 | ||
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Is Oz Focus production still penned in for 2011
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15-04-2009, 10:27 PM | #38 | ||
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i thought our cars were up to world class standard in most respects dollar for dollar?
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15-04-2009, 10:47 PM | #39 | |||
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Despite what one posted claimed, a similar sized and featured car is alot more in Europe. Audi A6 3.0L TFSI is over £37k (AUD$76k) G6ET is Ford's closest equivalent at $56k (216kw/420nm vs 270kw/533nm)
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15-04-2009, 11:09 PM | #40 | |||
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Quick comparison of luxury vehicle prices in the UK to AUS: Average UK wage £25,000 pa/$52,000 Average AUS wage $55,600 Benchmark: Ford XR6T AUs Price $45490 (0.81x standard AUS wage) FPV F6 AUS Price $66,590 (1.19x standard AUS wage) Lux Brands Audi S4 UK Price £43,555 (Pounds)/$90400 AUD (1.73x UK standard wage) Audi S4 AUS Price $132,000 (2.37x standard AUS wage) Lexus IS250 Sports Luxury UK Price £28877/$59,000 AUD (1.13x standard UK wage) Lexus IS250 AUS Price $79,000 (1.42x standard AUS wage) BMW 335i M Sport Coupe UK Price £36405/$75,000 AUD (1.44x standard UK wage) BMW 335i Coupe AUS Price $111,950 (2.01x standard AUS wage) BMW 550i V8 Sedan UK Price £46295/$96,000 AUD (1.84x standard UK wage) BMW 550i V8 Sedan AUS Price $170,000 (3.03x standard AUS wage) BMW 525i (3L most common make) UK Price £30865/$64,000 AUD (1.23x standard UK wage) BMW 525i AUS Price $96,000. (1.72x standard wage) |
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15-04-2009, 11:21 PM | #43 | |||
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15-04-2009, 11:36 PM | #44 | |||
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You could replace every American cab with an AU and that'd certainly change some minds about aus built cars.
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16-04-2009, 12:51 AM | #45 | |||
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Look at Thailand they are one of the biggest exporters of cars in the world. Australia have a FTA with them but if a car has more then a 3 liter motor on it it is subject to a environmental tax.
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16-04-2009, 06:43 AM | #46 | ||
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Its essentially a given that Tariffs aren't the way to go, but how do we compete with ultra low wages?
Perhaps our own government should buy more australian made products for a start! A maxim for purchasing within government organisations is value for money, which is a good thing. But buying Australian made is way way down the list as far as priority goes. seems strange that our government purports to prop up our automotive industry then proceeds to buy foreign cars. If its good enough to prop up, then surely its worth using the product? |
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16-04-2009, 09:48 AM | #47 | |||
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Suddenly fuel prices soared out of knowhere and a global ressesion hit. things changed in a Matter of 6 months, people started to become protective of their cash and layoffs started happening. Now everyone expects ford and holden to change their whole portfolio within 6-12 months and start making small cars like a flick of the switch, Even though fuel prices are the lowest they have been in years! No cars are selling, not just large cars but all sorts, even Toyota are struggling. Sometimes things arnt so simple. and although alot of people think they can, we cant predict the future. |
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16-04-2009, 10:18 AM | #49 | |||
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16-04-2009, 10:24 AM | #50 | |||
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The Holden Cruze is a Daewoo that is already in production all over the world. Holden will be sourcing them from Thailand until next year when the tooling will be completed and they will manufacture them in OZ. So even though Holden are manufacturing a current model vehicle, it will still take 18 months (or longer) before they roll them off the line......... |
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16-04-2009, 10:49 AM | #53 | ||
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There is still no formal commitment by Ford HQ on Focus production in Australia. The project is said to be still under review as always all things are, a decision is expected later in the year.
No significant amounts of investment dollars have been committed to the plant upgrade for it, which makes sense given it's still not decided on. I know there is handful or two of engineers now working with other Ford NA and Europe and are looking at the plant upgrades and costs now. We know the new car has a very high level of spec and technology, it's expected price points and they can now see it's going to cost more than they thought to build it here. Wait and see. |
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16-04-2009, 12:19 PM | #54 | |||
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Check out the Focus section for some 'artist' renditions of the car. I think it'll be a winner if it's built here..... |
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16-04-2009, 12:46 PM | #55 | |||
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16-04-2009, 12:51 PM | #56 | ||
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Buy Australian. It's the only answer.
No importing pats in from the US Minimise what we import.
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17-04-2009, 04:54 PM | #58 | ||
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No I don't support extra taxes on imports. For those of us old enough to remember the breathtaking arrogance and poor quality of cars and dealers under the "big three", when the attitude was you should be happy with what you get and can bugger off if you want better, then a return to the good old days is not welcome.
Much of the chronic problems with Ford and Holden are hangover attitudes and corporate practices from back then anyway. There are faint signs, but signs just the same with cars that have quality like the FG, that Ford are finally getting the idea that the good old days are gone and they need to do better. Their dealer network, might take a few more years though to get the message. |
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17-04-2009, 06:36 PM | #60 | |||
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I will never own another Audi My short answer to the q posed in this thread: "My question is, would you vote for a proposal by the the Australian Government to severely increase the price (import tax, whatever) of new imported cars to match the approximate price of our frankly much better locally built cars?".. is YES because the FG deserves to succeed. However it will never happen. And thats a LONG one to answer |
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