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13-06-2009, 07:20 AM | #31 | |||
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i don't think a new wagon is important at all, if you want a work wagon the BF is there, if you want a luxury one the terri is there and if neither of these suit your needs then go and buy a sportswagon. It won't create extra sales, just steal ones of the terri and sedan. |
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13-06-2009, 10:25 AM | #32 | |||
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The BFIII wagon is a tradie's and fleet rep's vehicle and is built to order only, meaning that piles of wagons aren't sitting around on dealer lots unsold. They sell every single one they build. And they sell because it has 2 things that no other vehicle on sale in Australia has (in that class): load capacity and internal volume. The investment required to make a new FG wagon simply isn't going to be worth it when FoA has scarce little cash to throw around on 'luxury' products like that. They've got to focus on the essentials at the moment. |
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13-06-2009, 04:05 PM | #33 | |||
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Burela said only a handful of sedans, so the C'dore wagon is perhaps selling 850 odd more than the Falcon wagon. Now if we knew Falcon wagon numbers we'd be set... Still, it suggests that the C'dore wagon is probably selling around 1100 a month versus 250 a month for Falcon wagon. As has been repeatedly stated, the C'dore sales are down overall, so the wagon has been cannibilising sedan sales. This makes it a very poor business decision on numbers only. Ford has been wise not to release an FG wagon.
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13-06-2009, 04:35 PM | #35 | |||
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We already know the i6 is getting liquid LPG next year (earlier press release from Orbital). The stop-start system is available in an increasing number of cars including Mazda's, so this could be added quickly too. It's a relatively simple tech which can reduce city consumption by about 5-10%. (Mazda says 8%). That would take the XT from 9.9L to mid 9s!
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13-06-2009, 10:01 PM | #36 | ||
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"The company was selling a higher percentage of upper specification (and more profitable) XR6 sports models (50 per cent) and luxury G6E turbos (43 per cent) to private buyers."
I'm a understaind this part of the article correctly in saying only 7% of Falcon sales are the base XT models?? That is a huge win for Falcon I would have thought. |
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14-06-2009, 12:01 AM | #38 | |||
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14-06-2009, 02:55 AM | #40 | ||
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correct me if im wrong but the f6x was 4wd. for him to say that he would buy a f6 wagon means that he pefers rear wheel drive most likely.
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14-06-2009, 04:36 AM | #41 | ||
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Ford should have done a diesel for the territory a long long time ago (ie at least 2006) now it is too late, they might as well can the whole car. the market was there, it boggles the mind why they couldnt do it, surely it is not just one ,uninformed person who makes the decisions, so why didnt ford do this? no wonder ford sales are going downhill, they just have no common sense at all. oh well, they are a big corporate heartless company so i dont really care if they go broke eventually. but i think the territory diesel was a no brainer, yet we still dont have it....
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14-06-2009, 08:17 AM | #42 | |||
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14-06-2009, 08:40 AM | #43 | |||
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If FPV made a FG FPV F6, 4WD or not, and it was as fast at least as the sedan, I'd definitely have bought one. I think Ford models fail due to lack of marketing. You know until I bought my F6 and joined this forum, I had never heard of FPV, Typhoon and Super Pursuit etc. But I knew all about Holden’s HSV range and SS/SSV range. I don't understand why such a large company forgoes adequate marketing. If Ford doesn’t understand that marketing is the number 1 priority of any company, they don't deserve to survive.
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14-06-2009, 06:21 PM | #44 | |||
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In another thread Bossxr8 said that the XT was only comprising 4.4% of sales! Compared to 52% in the BF! Massive difference. I do then query the splits. 50% for XR6 43% for G6ET 4.4% for XT Leaving just 2.6% for XR6T, XR8, G6 & G6E.
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Last week i read a split for FG: approx 33% XR, 33% Base XT, 33% Luxury G6...
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Just look at how many SV6, SS and SSVs Sportwagons around, Holden has done the groundwork establishing the performance wagon market, it would be good to see Ford capitalise on it, although its very obvious its not going to happen. |
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15-06-2009, 10:00 AM | #48 | |||
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The Sportwagon has outsold the Territory since being on sale. Territory volumes have almost halved since the Sportwagon has been released. I would hazard a guess that the Sportwagon has been just as effective as stealing sales from the Ford Territory. |
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15-06-2009, 10:06 AM | #49 | |||
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The sportshatch is so similar to the sedan it almost makes the sedan redundant, which is why IMO holden arent seeing any incremental sales from it.. Id say the increasing number of other SUV options have diluted the SUV market. The sportshatch is not a SUV so i dont see it as a competitor to the terri what so ever.
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The SY is at the end of it's model run. Numbers have been dropping as when i comes time to upgrade people are moving to another marque. Toyota has released 2 all new models and the Captiva has been released people don't want to buy the same model. The Holden Sports wagon isn't the same as the Terri as it has a small amount of space in the back & its the same height as a normal sedan. The SUV buyer doesn't want that, hence (as 4Vman has said) the wagon has taken away sedan sales. Oh and as for the Ford wagon XR, you put the money up if you think it'll be a success and Ford will build it. Ford would love to keep building the wagon (that's why the BFIII happened), I'm sure they would have explored that option and found that an XR wagon would be a waste of money.
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Could the Green Car Innovation Fund (GCIF) see the I6 upgraded or possibly another engine produced in Geelong? CarSales goes into more depth below:
"My friend and colleague, Derrick Kuzak, who is the global PD [Product Development] head for Ford Motor Company is personally involved in working with us to help us to get to the best solution. Now that shows you the level of focus the Ford Motor Company is applying to get this right." Indeed it does. Kuzak is the architect of 'One Ford' and that strategy will play a part in the future of both the locally-manufactured cars and the engines built at the Geelong plant. Presumably, Kuzak's deliberations may be influenced by the option of funding from the GCIF. http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...-of-july-15472 |
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Problem is the wagon buyers moved (as well as sedan buyers) to the Terri which put the writing on the wall for the wagon.....but brought in nice profits for Ford.
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Sorry, if i've contributed to this getting off topic. But can we get back on topic? Prefer that to a Terry vs Wagon duel. Cheers!
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Reminds me of Alan Mullaly, who has basicaly said, be confident but not arrogant. Have the facts to back up your statement!
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Ford has been asleep at the wheel with the Territory watching the sales wither. The diesel has been so long awaited and a significant face-lift well overdue to keep competitive with competition. It was a great look for 2004-2007 but it's now in need of a major refresh! Time to take the segment lead back from the bulbous Clugger!
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