V8SC Hypothetical

[GT69]

Oh and on a side note, if the current V8 series sells cars, why isn't the XR8 the top selling Ford? I rest my case.

[GT69]

Also boris. There are already rules governing turbo v na race cars. Its cubic capacity multiplying. I think the old formula was x 1.6.

[TUF_302]

I voted its dead, and thats becasue it is, i watched the last bit of the race today and for the 1st time in a long time i didn't give a crap that it was a holden 1&2 finish, for me V8supercars is no more

[Nikked]

Not again....

The V8 super cars is a great series at the moment, its pulling in crowds and money. Production racing isn't, and i won't in today's world.

Some people seem to forget that you have an 'ignore' function, that is if the v8's bother you that much turn on SBS and see drivel of production car racing on offer.

As with every racing category, it changes with the times. All these people with rose glasses look back and think that production racing should still be the main attraction of motor sport and that race specials will be built and we will have our precious road racers, that's not going to happen.

A close look at some major overseas formulas (Super GT, DTM etc) show that they all have one thing in common, cars that bare little connection to road going cars, but they are all successful and pull the crowds. Changing the V8 will sell it short, and would look silly as a premier category of the country if it was a heavily production based formula.

Comparing V8's with NASCAR is juvenile, NASCAR (Sprint cup) use one body shape with painted on grills, have a chassis more like a 70's speedway car, no electronic gadgets, cabies... Most major racing series have control components.

If the v8's were going to a production formula, it would have to be similar to Super GT. But then who knows more manufacturers come in and all of a sudden Australia doesn't have a unique indigenous racing series.

Fomular 1 once had production cars aswell....

[turbo4me]

To me the V8 supercars was dead when they brought in the sprint tyre. You need to be bloody near a genius to figure out what is going on. When i watch the racing i have got no interest at all until they have done all their stops. So i normally turn over to something else until about an hour before the finish of the race so i know what's actually going on.
If they do this BS next year i wont even bother

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Comparing V8's with NASCAR is juvenile, NASCAR (Sprint cup) use one body shape with painted on grills, have a chassis more like a 70's speedway car, no electronic gadgets, cabies... Most major racing series have control components.

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Brave comment, I would say not seeing the progression over the last 5-10 years from something that at least resembled the road cars to what it is now is naive.

We are only a couple of years of progresson at this present rate when they do achieve nascar levels of "same car, different markings". I mean look at them now, same tyres, brakes, gear boxes, diff's, suspension, electronics and the only difference is the engine and original body (which has been modified to nothing like stock). I would say nascar is a great example.

[schnoods]

No Boss or LS motor in the V8 SC...

[MO]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Not again....

The V8 super cars is a great series at the moment, its pulling in crowds and money. Production racing isn't, and i won't in today's world.

Some people seem to forget that you have an 'ignore' function, that is if the v8's bother you that much turn on SBS and see drivel of production car racing on offer.

As with every racing category, it changes with the times. All these people with rose glasses look back and think that production racing should still be the main attraction of motor sport and that race specials will be built and we will have our precious road racers, that's not going to happen.

A close look at some major overseas formulas (Super GT, DTM etc) show that they all have one thing in common, cars that bare little connection to road going cars, but they are all successful and pull the crowds. Changing the V8 will sell it short, and would look silly as a premier category of the country if it was a heavily production based formula.

Comparing V8's with NASCAR is juvenile, NASCAR (Sprint cup) use one body shape with painted on grills, have a chassis more like a 70's speedway car, no electronic gadgets, cabies... Most major racing series have control components.

If the v8's were going to a production formula, it would have to be similar to Super GT. But then who knows more manufacturers come in and all of a sudden Australia doesn't have a unique indigenous racing series.

Fomular 1 once had production cars aswell....

And you missed the point.

[Powdered Toast Man]

I'd watch the new formats and V8SCs as well, as long as it didnt become the "holden cup" and end up being a 1 make series. I like the fact that the V8 supercars are purpose built race cars that race in a parity formula, it makes for good racing. Did anyone watch Sandown race 2 today? How could you say that wasn't good racing?

I just wish it was more about the drivers than the marques, more like NASCAR. I like the Holden/Ford rivalry but it gets a bit much sometimes.

Everybody seems to forget that there is already a class for "real cars" the GT Production championship and nobody watches it!

[AC]

Originally Posted by flappist

As of the end of this season Ford are pulling out of V8SC completely and FPR will concentrate its efforts on other events.

Does anyone have a link to an official press release about this ?

I cant seem to find anything.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by tipsybutler

+1 for racing real cars. Luckily I am old enough to remember seeing the Australian touring car scene from 1970 onwards. For me there was nothing better than seeing cars of all types from the mighty HO's to Dato 1000 coupes racing around at Bathurst (some with number plates still attached). Still get excited about Bathurst but my heart just isn't in the V8SC.

Ah, you mean like the old Beechy/Moffat/Jane braking duels at the and of the main straight at Calder. :

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by AC

Does anyone have a link to an official press release about this ?

I cant seem to find anything.

It's a hypothetical.....

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by turbo4me

To me the V8 supercars was dead when they brought in the sprint tyre. You need to be bloody near a genius to figure out what is going on. When i watch the racing i have got no interest at all until they have done all their stops. So i normally turn over to something else until about an hour before the finish of the race so i know what's actually going on.
If they do this BS next year i wont even bother

I am against the sprint tyre myself too and it might be interesting to see a poll on the subject.

I would love the series to be more production based but I can't foresee me not ever watching even if they did go control everything/different marques etc. It still has that real driver element to it.

I can't watch F1 because it's like watching slot cars. I do know that heaps of skill is required to drive F1s but it's so bloody boring to watch.

[jakkes]

one other thing just popped into mind if they televised historic touring cars alot more then they do and put more rounds in there session i recon it would take of once people started seeing it the racing in that category keeps you on the edge of your seat

[MO]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

I'd watch the new formats and V8SCs as well, as long as it didnt become the "holden cup" and end up being a 1 make series. I like the fact that the V8 supercars are purpose built race cars that race in a parity formula, it makes for good racing. Did anyone watch Sandown race 2 today? How could you say that wasn't good racing?

I just wish it was more about the drivers than the marques, more like NASCAR. I like the Holden/Ford rivalry but it gets a bit much sometimes.

Everybody seems to forget that there is already a class for "real cars" the GT Production championship and nobody watches it!

Gee I wonder if no ones watching the 'GT Production' racing has anything to do with the lack of promoting it.

[vztrt]

I would like to see this but it would be hard to get going. If people would go to the event it would be a great start and I'm sure OneHD would like to put it into their format (as Ch 10 lost the V8SC).
But the formula would have to be made in a way to make sure its even. No point in having racing where one team dominates and wins by a huge margin.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MO

Gee I wonder if no ones watching the 'GT Production' racing has anything to do with the lack of promoting it.

If everyone is so willing to go watch production car racing:

http://www.pcaa.com.au/index.php?opt...tpage&Itemid=1

[galaxy xr8]

I find it amussing that everyone or atleast the majority of people here say V8 supercar's is dead and I hate it, blah, blah, but these inturpretation's and comment's have only been brought on since the defection of tripple 8.
We never seen thread's like this and comment's like these in previous yr's, why, because Ford was winning and dominating.
But now since we know this is not going to happen so often, we all cry mercy and think the sport is a shambles, and then we say thing's like,
"even my mates that are Holden fans think the sport is a joke", um probably because they have been out performed by Ford over the last few yr's, they were at the same place we Ford fan's feel we are at now with the new's about Tripple 8.
I don't know about you blokes but in the day's of the HRT/Toll/and TWR dominace when Ford was a real joke in V8 supercar's, I still wore my Ford Racing Australia gear proudly every day.

[mik]

hmmm different format: how about this ... single car teams only, that way there`s less double teaming on track, tactics would be be less effective, the little less equitable teams might be in with more of a chance, everyone runs the one type of tyre as many as you like , with car failure`s this would also add to more chances of a different winner , also .... drivers announcing switching camps mid year (and spoiling the fans racing for the year) get coil voltage to the b a l l s when ever first place is reached from half laps completed onwards this would lead too much fan base satisfaction and some incentive for driver to stay brand loyal .

[DJR-351]

Edit..

Aw forget it...

[GT69]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I find it amussing that everyone or atleast the majority of people here say V8 supercar's is dead and I hate it, blah, blah, but these inturpretation's and comment's have only been brought on since the defection of tripple 8.
We never seen thread's like this and comment's like these in previous yr's, why, because Ford was winning and dominating.
But now since we know this is not going to happen so often, we all cry mercy and think the sport is a shambles, and then we say thing's like,
"even my mates that are Holden fans think the sport is a joke", um probably because they have been out performed by Ford over the last few yr's, they were at the same place we Ford fan's feel we are at now with the new's about Tripple 8.
I don't know about you blokes but in the day's of the HRT/Toll/and TWR dominace when Ford was a real joke in V8 supercar's, I still wore my Ford Racing Australia gear proudly every day.

This is true. People assume 888 have already won next season in there holden. Honestly. If I was ford. I'd throw as much money as I could into all the ford teams. Win next year and openly laugh at holden. Things like 'you cant afford to pay your staff but you pay to pouch our teams. And we still beat you!'

[GTP owner]

Not true Galaxy xr8. Some of us die-hard fans went away a few years ago. The Nascar comment is absolutely true. In fact it has been mooted to have a control body, with the different sticker pack for each manufacturer. I used to watch Bathurst with mates and call others half way through if their car went off for fun. No more. I havent watched any bathurst for 3 years. Too busy doing something that i am interseted in. When i went to symmons plains last year i walked away while the v8sc were racing and only went back to the fence when the support races were on. The production cars and group n are far more interesting, but lack the support and publicity.

[XR Lita]

Personally I don't really take an interest in the make of the cars. I support a couple of the drivers, and have done so since they started. Despite them changing cars and teams.

It is the drivers that make the meet for me, not so much the cars.

[Mr X]

Voted Option 5.
I'd like to think that Holden and Ford might start producing GTHO's and A9X type options again.

Probably not?
I must say that I enjoyed Group C in its heyday immensely though.

The Greens Tuf XE was a sight to behold in the metal :sm_headba

[EDXRSW]

+1 for the brute utes but in sedan form, it would be close with abit of bif & barge and they are almost standard and very close in terms of parity.
EDXRSW.

[MO]

Originally Posted by vztrt

If everyone is so willing to go watch production car racing:

http://www.pcaa.com.au/index.php?opt...tpage&Itemid=1

So wheres the ads on tv and radio and in the paper??

[vztrt]

I was trying to raise the awareness of the category (no idea why i put a so in there). But if more people go to this then it might start getting more publicity.

[MO]

Ok gotcha,then why aren't the sponsors etc pushing it in the media to try and build a following/fan base.
This is where the V8SC have got the game sewn up their pushing their product and hard.

[4Vman]

Im not sure how to vote on this, with the heart or with the head, the answers would be miles apart......

On a slight tangent if V8SC's are dead how come race attendances and TV ratings are up nearly 10% on last year?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by tufLTD

We might end up with a one-make series, the Holden V8SC.

Walkinshaw vs the rest, what a great idea.