Holden Caprices as US Cop Cruisers - Page 2

DBourne · 06-10-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

I wonder if a few officers will take the chev badge off and place a holden badge there

I think you are forgetting that they are going to america.. patriotism to the extreme (ie. no way

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Wretched · 06-10-2009, 08:25 AM

*edit*
If you don't like the thread why bother clicking on it?

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Anyway, good on Holden, well hopefully it goes through.
Good for Australian jobs.
Ford need to try and push for exports (SA, NZ and Tassy are not good enough).

I do find it strange they went for the Caprice, it is a large car (for large Americans I guess), but I can't imagine it would be all that agile.

sprint347dave · 06-10-2009, 09:42 AM

is the holden v8 imported from the states? if it is,,seems a bit weird importing it from usa then installing it into a car then shiping it back to the states,,,surely it would be cheaper and greener to import the car from here with out the motor and do the install over there,,,

XR Martin · 06-10-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

I'd have doubts this will happen. LAPD and other large police forces in the USA have continued with the Crown Vic not because it was such a great car but because of economies of scale. They have so many of them because they've been in production so long, that when they get a new one it's basically identical to the 5yo one they've decommissioned so they just pull out all the cop-specific gear (radio gear, cages, lightbars, etc) and put it in the new one. If they switch to Holdens (or Dodge Chargers, etc) then they have to re-engineer all that stuff to fit. Once it it done the first time it's OK, but it's just getting over that first round of conversions and tooling changes .. and no one wants to pay for that.

They are going to have to switch to something because the Crown Vic is just about dead.

Would be pretty cool if they could get the cab market too, I imagine thats a large chunk of sales too.

b2tf · 06-10-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CHOOK N CAROL

is this FORD forums or im a half sucked holden pasifier forum? GO FORD or GO HOME!!

Go back to the 70's and take your blinkers off.

**ebxr8240** · 06-10-2009, 10:21 AM

If they want them?? They will make them there or Canada...

Ducati888 · 06-10-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Green X

And where is Ford Aus with the Falcon XR6 Turbo, they should be flogging that gem to the US cops!!!

Interesting, How the USA are pushing V8 Cop cars and we are trying to get rid of V8's and even the 6T's Cop cars!!.

anyway Good on Holden, no matter what you think of there product at least they are game enough to push it internationally!!

I would hazard a guess that a standard sedan (even a large one like a Falc) is too small for the US cops when they have all the protection barriers etc put in. Not enough rear space for the criminals. The current Ford Victorias in use over there are Fairlane sized.

Also, regarding the 'opposition kicking a winning goal' Ford Oz does not have a competitor car to the Stateman. The Fairlane was discontinued long ago because it was so butt ugly and conservative in design compared to the Holden that Ford couldn't sell them.

greenfoam · 06-10-2009, 11:43 AM

The offical spec for US cop cars is steel rims, alloy break too easy for the bashing around they do and it's alot more than 2000 cars. They are talking 70,000 a year. Which is why they have been spending so much effort on getting this. As for why a stato, you need room for the new gun rack

Noddy · 06-10-2009, 11:58 AM

Doesn't that look the biz....nice rack.

Mr Hardware · 06-10-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati888

I would hazard a guess that a standard sedan (even a large one like a Falc) is too small for the US cops when they have all the protection barriers etc put in. Not enough rear space for the criminals. The current Ford Victorias in use over there are Fairlane sized.

Also, regarding the 'opposition kicking a winning goal' Ford Oz does not have a competitor car to the Stateman. The Fairlane was discontinued long ago because it was so butt ugly and conservative in design compared to the Holden that Ford couldn't sell them.

100% Correct on all accounts.
The Holden Caprice is about the same dimensions as the best US cop car of all time... the Chevrolet Caprice. The Chevy Caprice was so good that even after they stopped selling them, some small companies used to buy late model ones, recondition them and sell em to the cops cos they wanted them so badly!

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati888

I would hazard a guess that a standard sedan (even a large one like a Falc) is too small for the US cops when they have all the protection barriers etc put in. Not enough rear space for the criminals. The current Ford Victorias in use over there are Fairlane sized.

Also, regarding the 'opposition kicking a winning goal' Ford Oz does not have a competitor car to the Stateman. The Fairlane was discontinued long ago because it was so butt ugly and conservative in design compared to the Holden that Ford couldn't sell them.

Holden are getting into the same boat as Ford with the Statesman and Caprice. Sales here have dropped to a couple of hundred of them a month, nearly as small as amount as what Ford managed with the BF Fairlane before they axed it.

If it wasn't for exports of them to the middle east then they would be unviable. I'd say come the next all new model Commode then there's a fair chance there will not be a LWB version.

burnz · 06-10-2009, 01:34 PM

does that include grange and senator??

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by greenfoam

They are talking 70,000 a year.

You've interpretted that wrong, the total police market is 70,000 a year, but thats spread out between the Charger and Crown Vic and whatever else they use. The Caprice won't take all that, they may only get a small slice depending on what individual police forces want it. They might love it, they might hate it.

I'd be interested to see how the Taurus is recieved by the cops as Fords replacement for the Crown Vic. I'd assume they will use the AWD EcoBoost V6 version as FWD would suck.

Ducati888 · 06-10-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden are getting into the same boat as Ford with the Statesman and Caprice. Sales here have dropped to a couple of hundred of them a month, nearly as small as amount as what Ford managed with the BF Fairlane before they axed it.

If it wasn't for exports of them to the middle east then they would be unviable. I'd say come the next all new model Commode then there's a fair chance there will not be a LWB version.

As long as there's a wagon variant available there will be a LWB sedan available.

XplosiveR6 · 06-10-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati888

As long as there's a wagon variant available there will be a LWB sedan available.

Actually Isnt the Holden sportswagon based on the SWB sedan?

a_misfit · 06-10-2009, 02:11 PM

I think I read this is the Middle East spec'ed Caprice, so engines would be:
V8 AFM
V6 SIDI

Funny that the way I read the articles it's a 'done deal', but obviously they are just turning up to the pageant and hoping to impress the judges. In my synical mind I expected the holden media release to say the same:

Holden News Release

May require some deals be done with the Auto workers union I would think?

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Actually Isnt the Holden sportswagon based on the SWB sedan?

Yep, the sportswagon is based on the SWB sedan platform.

HLC · 06-10-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Actually Isnt the Holden sportswagon based on the SWB sedan?

yes..

S/P BLUTE · 06-10-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sprint347dave

is the holden v8 imported from the states? if it is,,seems a bit weird importing it from usa then installing it into a car then shiping it back to the states,,,surely it would be cheaper and greener to import the car from here with out the motor and do the install over there,,,

The 6.0ltr is Mexican i belive cheap sweat shop labour need i say more about the quality ! :togo:

irish2 · 06-10-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by S/P BLUTE

The 6.0ltr is Mexican i belive cheap sweat shop labour need i say more about the quality ! :togo:

The most respected old school windsor block is the mexican cast block. Stronger than any OEM one and talked about in any engine building publication. They don't pay them much but they are hard workers. Ford cut their mexican workers pay in half which they claimed was due to the GFC but is really just money grabbing as they were on F all before the cut.

Mr Hardware · 06-10-2009, 10:51 PM

good info irish2!

chevypower · 07-10-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by S/P BLUTE

The 6.0ltr is Mexican i belive cheap sweat shop labour need i say more about the quality ! :togo:

Ford now builds diesels in Mexico. Not sure what else they make down there. I think Mexicans are pretty hard working, from what I have been able to observe - even if they do work for less money.

burnz · 07-10-2009, 01:08 PM

holden media it's a go, printed saterday.
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...20&docid=57267

Conrad · 07-10-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by themotorreport.com.au

GM says the Caprice PPV will reach 60pm (96km/h) in under six seconds.

falcons dont even get upto 60PM!! they've obviously made the right choice

BlackLS · 07-10-2009, 04:17 PM

They are using Statos and Caprices as cop cars in Dubai

greenfoam · 08-10-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by S/P BLUTE

The 6.0ltr is Mexican i belive cheap sweat shop labour need i say more about the quality ! :togo:

The Mexicans are good people man! but mostly they are a very proud people, I married one and if she were to read this she would kick your *** and then gut you and bury you in various places around the country :p (they are quite violent if they have a decent amount of Spanish blood, I've have plenty of things thrown at me over the years

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johnno3 · 08-10-2009, 10:35 AM

It'll never happen. The US auto industry union will never allow GM to import the numbers needed to fill the orders when there are jobs needed in the USA & they have a home built alternative (Dodge Charger etc).
Holden do this every couple of years. Make a big announcement about the next big order to the USA then it all goes quiet. Pontiac GTO, G8 & the El Camino just to name a few. Holden have already announced that there will be no 2nd shift at Elizabeth plant again, so how do they propose to fill this massive order?. Good luck to them if they can do it but I have serious doubts.

burnz · 08-10-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by S/P BLUTE

The 6.0ltr is Mexican i belive cheap sweat shop labour need i say more about the quality ! :togo:

mexico do not export crate motors!!

S/P BLUTE · 08-10-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by greenfoam

The Mexicans are good people man! but mostly they are a very proud people, I married one and if she were to read this she would kick your *** and then gut you and bury you in various places around the country :p (they are quite violent if they have a decent amount of Spanish blood, I've have plenty of things thrown at me over the years

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Thats ok m8 my family is German and we all know how nice they can be LOL

Iv'e been to Mexico and it is a fantastic place love the food great people its a pity the yanks are screwing them but hey there screwing us all LOL

S/P BLUTE · 08-10-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

mexico do not export crate motors!!

Do they keep them ?????????