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Old 27-10-2009, 02:05 AM   #31
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Isn't Hydrogen a slower burning substance than petrol?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVv0NVLFPig

Still beg to differ? Potential is there.
electrical potential is there to go fast, when i can hook my van and loaded Falcon up together and head off across Australia then i`ll believe in electrical potential.
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Old 27-10-2009, 08:57 AM   #32
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Nobody has ever successfully designed and built hydrogen powered cars where all you have to fill your tank with is water.

Stan Meyer was a convicted fraudster.

Nobody has ever brought out a car that can be run purely on water - because it is impossible.

Google "First law of thermodynamics"
yep, that's the one- no such thing as a perpetual motion machine which is what a water powered car would be...
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Old 27-10-2009, 09:34 AM   #33
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If i remember correctly BMW Designed and built 500 BMW 7's powered by v12 which ran on both hydrogen and petrol.

BMW Hydrogen7

I remember reading about the hydrogen fueled I6 a couple years ago in a motor mag. I just put it down to rumor, glad to see i was wrong.
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Old 27-10-2009, 12:11 PM   #34
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Sorry if I'm slightly off topic here, but isn't the biggest issue not will it run/ignite; but how do you store it? Hydrogen is hugely abundant, and there have been a few production cars built and sold to the public that run fine, except (to my knowledge) storing the Hydrogen is amazingly complex?!

Sure it's great to see the trusty I6T running on Hydrogen, but has anyone solved the storing huge quantities (eg, hydrogen filling stations) for commercial sale?
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Old 20-11-2009, 12:20 PM   #35
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Old 20-11-2009, 04:36 PM   #36
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Isn't Hydrogen a slower burning substance than petrol?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVv0NVLFPig

Still beg to differ? Potential is there.
The flame speed of hydrogen is significanty lower than petrol substances, under similar conditions. Hydrogen detonation though is a different story.
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Old 20-11-2009, 04:39 PM   #37
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Sorry if I'm slightly off topic here, but isn't the biggest issue not will it run/ignite; but how do you store it? Hydrogen is hugely abundant, and there have been a few production cars built and sold to the public that run fine, except (to my knowledge) storing the Hydrogen is amazingly complex?!

Sure it's great to see the trusty I6T running on Hydrogen, but has anyone solved the storing huge quantities (eg, hydrogen filling stations) for commercial sale?
Hydrogen deposits onto the surface of many metals (allowing things like fuel cells to function) and in general it is mechanisms like this which most of the reaserch into storage is happening.

Extremly fine nickel powder deposited on a dense "sponge" like substrate allowing the hydrogen to deposite under high pressure and be released as pressure drops, and other things like this.

As far as i know, no one has got it working outside of lab type experiments though.
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Old 20-11-2009, 04:52 PM   #38
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Sorry if I'm slightly off topic here, but isn't the biggest issue not will it run/ignite; but how do you store it? Hydrogen is hugely abundant, and there have been a few production cars built and sold to the public that run fine, except (to my knowledge) storing the Hydrogen is amazingly complex?!

Sure it's great to see the trusty I6T running on Hydrogen, but has anyone solved the storing huge quantities (eg, hydrogen filling stations) for commercial sale?

They used Hydrogen before Helium in Airships before the Hindenburg disaster - I'm not that sure they have solved anything with regards to storing the stuff. ALL I know is that it takes a lot more energy to keep the stuff cold about -270 odd deg than the energy you get from it - seems like a dead end to me.
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Old 20-11-2009, 05:47 PM   #39
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Funny thing is, i read a few months ago that over in the Celeb areas of los angeles, they actually have Hydrogen servos. I can't remember who exactly, but a handful of celebrities own H powered production cars.
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Old 20-11-2009, 08:55 PM   #40
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Then end up in an even worse "global warming" situation then we are facing now? Water vapor holds in much more heat than CO2.

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I don't support global warming.

they only call it global warming in the hotter months . in winter when half the earth gets buried under snow every night they call it climate change .
WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE SNOW WHEN IT MELTS ?
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Funny thing is, i read a few months ago that over in the Celeb areas of los angeles, they actually have Hydrogen servos. I can't remember who exactly, but a handful of celebrities own H powered production cars.
BMW leased out a few Hydrogen 7 series to celebs.

In Japan Mazda have Hydrogen powered RX8's too, and some other manufacturers have hydrogen powered prototype fleets as well.
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