walkinshaw at it again. (sports wagon)

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV70

Uh Yeah : I am aware of the XR's and FPV.

Are you aware of my point?

Holden and HSV are seen to be giving what the people want.

Holden and HSV are making cars Ford don't.

Yeah yeah We all seen FPV's, but what we are talking about is that Holden are giving people cars to actually think about like a SS Wagon, R8 Wagon, aswell as the sedans.

Wikenshaw tunes cars yeah ok, but the fact that he has been associated with Holden and HSV for years is something that counts.

Ford? Anyone there?

Actually no.. after that response ive got no idea what your point is...........

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Are you aware of the Ford XR and FPV range???!!!
If modified cars float your boat have a look through the hundreds of threads in the Boss and I6T section, there are countless examples of aftermarket tuner modified XR6t/8's and F6/GT's that produce every bit the level of performance this aftermarket tuner has got from the sports wagon...

He is onto something on the Wagon Subject, a Nice FG "Sportswagon" XR8 would tick alot of Boxes for me at the moment, my sedan is getting used less and less and a Ute isn't an option for long term, im not that keen on a Territory and not selling my XR8 to get a TT Ghia.

WPP may only be a "Tuner", but their packages for the price do punch out alot of top line competition and for that cosidering the warrenties are still in place, should be considered a Step up and one closer to the OEM market than a Herrod, BPR, NIZPRO, APS, Ect.

[FPV70]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

He is onto something on the Wagon Subject, a Nice FG "Sportswagon" XR8 would tick alot of Boxes for me at the moment, my sedan is getting used less and less and a Ute isn't an option for long term, im not that keen on a Territory and not selling my XR8 to get a TT Ghia.

WPP may only be a "Tuner", but their packages for the price do punch out alot of top line competition and for that cosidering the warrenties are still in place, should be considered a Step up and one closer to the OEM market than a Herrod, BPR, NIZPRO, APS, Ect.

There we go, 1 for 1.

Also, we have dogs (family pets in case you don't know) and it is somewhat illegal to put them in the boot of an XR/GT according to the R.S.P.C.A so something of a decent V8 wagon might be nice.

Thats just one point spelled out so it doesn't confuse the more simple folk here.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

a Nice FG "Sportswagon" XR8 would tick alot of Boxes for me at the moment,

Funny you should say this...

Just today my wife and I were having what seems to be a never-ending discussion about what to get next. She's over the want for 4WD height and midway through she just said "I'd get another GT if they made a wagon, like those HSV ones we saw the other day".

I don't think I would, more because I am reluctant to get into bed with Ford again but it was an interesting thought at the very least.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by GTP006

Funny you should say this...

Just today my wife and I were having what seems to be a never-ending discussion about what to get next. She's over the want for 4WD height and midway through she just said "I'd get another GT if they made a wagon, like those HSV ones we saw the other day".

I don't think I would, more because I am reluctant to get into bed with Ford again but it was an interesting thought at the very least.

Similar to my partner "Why don't ford make a nice Wagon like Holden" we arn't that fussy either just a G6E Equivilent in Spec Trim with a Base 5.0L would suit us well.

I think Ford Jumped on the SUV train with the Territory and Forgot that not everyone wants something of that Size and there is a market for Nice Wagons, just Ford hasn't made one compared to the competition since the Late E-Series (Fairmont V8 Wagon).

[DBourne]

that looks awesome! pricey, but awesome.

And even though I'm a ford fan, you have to love that when the FG came out, ford didn't bother bringing a new wagon "because no one buys wagons" then holden brings out a sports wagon and cleans up!!!

Couldn't of done better really

[Outback]

Originally Posted by GTJOHN

Ummm may be quick and may have some practical uses...
BUT damn thats one butt ugly front end....yuck !!!

I hear you brother, it reminds me of the current FPV front ends just butt ugly.

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by FPV70

Uh Yeah : I am aware of the XR's and FPV.

Are you aware of my point?

Holden and HSV are seen to be giving what the people want.

Holden and HSV are making cars Ford don't.

Yeah yeah We all seen FPV's, but what we are talking about is that Holden are giving people cars to actually think about like a SS Wagon, R8 Wagon, aswell as the sedans.

Wikenshaw tunes cars yeah ok, but the fact that he has been associated with Holden and HSV for years is something that counts.

Also, they are not affraid to annouce their presence with their product.


Ford? Anyone there?

Agreed! In my opinion (and Im not an expert in any shape or form, nor have I got any of the answers) it seems Ford Aus have "thrown the baby out with the bath water" when it comes to some of their latest decisions! Dropped the sport model wagons because the market dried up; Holden started a few years later with a few limited edition SS wagons which seemed to sell well, I assume that's why they felt they had a strong market for the VE sports wagon.
Ford the tooled up a great car in the Territory, but left the wagon 'as is', with the notion that "if you want a family wagon, you'll buy a Terry". That went gang busters but has slowed. Now the nails all but in the coffin of even the basic wagon... Why? Cause there's the Terry! And if you want a hyperfast family wagon there's the... Ummm, it's gone, didn't sell many, SO that mean Aussies don't want a hyper powerful family wagon.., Sorry, but there's the Ghia Terry Turbo.
Also Ford Aus found they couldn't sell many V8 family run abouts and when the BOSS arrived they sourced a 3V V8 for a few select models. Didn't sell many, and depending on who you believe, only the XR8 (or equivilant, depending on who you listen to) and FPV's will use the 5L V8.
I don't want to sound all doom and gloom here but to me it seems that if something doesn't work first time then the Ford bean counters pull the plug and bury it so it never returns.

Holden on the other hand seem to have done some homework and test the waters with small runs of vehicles to see if there's a market, if not, they kill it but don't completely right it off. If there is they profit from it like no bodies business!

Now on the brighter note, the new 5L supercharged FPV's are the first taste since the Terry introductory stage that everyone seems to be sitting up and taking notice! And surely if there is a market for it, a new Halo FPV would be just what the doctor ordered to give some of the other companies a scare, not to mention a brilliant platform for the likesof Herrod, Nizpro etc the perfect base to make Mr Walkingframes creations seem a little pedestrian?

Come on Ford!!

[b2tf]

Every time these cars come out the standard "wake up Ford" etc arguments come out. It has been said time and time again but for those who missed it:

This is not a Holden built car. It is an aftermarket car that uses a standard Holden model as a base. Therefore, it is not a direct competitor to Ford or even FPV.

Is that not clear enough?

Ford = Holden
FPV = HSV (unless you ask Harding)
Walkinshaw = Herrods/whoever on the Blue Oval side of things

It is unfair/unreasonable to compare a car like this to anything that you can currently buy from a Ford dealer because this car is not one you can buy from a Holden dealer!

[GTJOHN]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

that looks awesome! pricey, but awesome.

And even though I'm a ford fan, you have to love that when the FG came out, ford didn't bother bringing a new wagon "because no one buys wagons" then holden brings out a sports wagon and cleans up!!!

Couldn't of done better really

Cleans up ???,..... i doubt it.... anyone silly enuff to pay 100K for one of these things needs to sit down and wonder why .... For 100k id much rather look elsewhere... Not only Holden , but even ford trying to sell a car for that much is nuts... quality from both is less than desireable and ford does have a point , would they sell enough to justify the cost involved ??...
Maybe this is why Holden has to keep asking for Govt handouts....

[banarcus]

That hatchback has great stance, looks good but I'd still prefer a V8 Territory.

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Every time these cars come out the standard "wake up Ford" etc arguments come out. It has been said time and time again but for those who missed it:

This is not a Holden built car. It is an aftermarket car that uses a standard Holden model as a base. Therefore, it is not a direct competitor to Ford or even FPV.

Is that not clear enough?

Ford = Holden
FPV = HSV (unless you ask Harding)
Walkinshaw = Herrods/whoever on the Blue Oval side of things

It is unfair/unreasonable to compare a car like this to anything that you can currently buy from a Ford dealer because this car is not one you can buy from a Holden dealer!

I don't know whether your referring to my post or not; and I apologies if you're not, but I think there are a few here not talking specifically about the Walkindoor but Ford and Holden in general allowing for these 'spin off's' to be developed because these base platforms are/not developed.

[FPV70]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Every time these cars come out the standard "wake up Ford" etc arguments come out. It has been said time and time again but for those who missed it:

This is not a Holden built car. It is an aftermarket car that uses a standard Holden model as a base. Therefore, it is not a direct competitor to Ford or even FPV.

Is that not clear enough?

Ford = Holden
FPV = HSV (unless you ask Harding)
Walkinshaw = Herrods/whoever on the Blue Oval side of things

It is unfair/unreasonable to compare a car like this to anything that you can currently buy from a Ford dealer because this car is not one you can buy from a Holden dealer!

We get the idea that they are tuned cars from another company but what some people are saying is that although these cars are tuned elsewhere, they have an alright base to start from and also put their product in a place to be seen.
Yeah we know about Herrod and the likes but they don't show the world what they have to the pont that Walkinframes does.

Yes we know that Walki SS Wagon is NOT sold like that by holden but the fact they have done it speaks volumes to the public.

To the Majority, perseption is what it takes and Holden are Perceived as having a superior product because of these kinds of cars.


In the end, if a company is seen to be making a product that appeals to the imagination of people all ages and they can talk about it at the dinner table, the pub, club, at work even then thats a good thing. The most we hear about Ford at the moment is how they are going to make the Falcon FWD or they are bringing the Taurus back or the Wagon is going the way of the Fairlane and Panelvan.

Dare I say, how can you support a company that is reducing it's range in favor for a small car market and also wants to make Aussie jobs redundant?

I love our Falcon, Always have and always will but rather than put a doom and gloom on the thing, why not make the product a little more exciting by offering more variants and set something in concrete about Aussie jobs and Aussie cars.

[DBourne]

Originally Posted by GTJOHN

Cleans up ???,..... i doubt it.... anyone silly enuff to pay 100K for one of these things needs to sit down and wonder why

My bad, i meant the holden sportswagon is cleaning up, no the walkie version

[Wally]

Originally Posted by flappist

Has anyone here actually seen one single real live Walkinshaw?

........

yeah they are popping up here in the western suburbs... they must be selling their lexus and porche wagons as the kids are moving on.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Every time these cars come out the standard "wake up Ford" etc arguments come out. It has been said time and time again but for those who missed it:

This is not a Holden built car. It is an aftermarket car that uses a standard Holden model as a base. Therefore, it is not a direct competitor to Ford or even FPV.

Is that not clear enough?

Ford = Holden
FPV = HSV (unless you ask Harding)
Walkinshaw = Herrods/whoever on the Blue Oval side of things

It is unfair/unreasonable to compare a car like this to anything that you can currently buy from a Ford dealer because this car is not one you can buy from a Holden dealer!

Agreed Austin, but i could give a Toss about the Walkinshaw version, it's the car this is based on ala 'Sportswagon' that raises my eyebrows and makes me wish ford had something similar.

FGII 5.0L M6 XR8 Wagon would go well as my Daily and i could even fit the dog..

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by banarcus

That hatchback has great stance, looks good but I'd still prefer a V8 Territory.

Someone did make that - themselves of course...
I think i've got photos - and it was on the forums here somewhere...

Had GT running gear in it... and it was blue...

Hell yeah... thats what we want...

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by loftie

Someone did make that - themselves of course...
I think i've got photos - and it was on the forums here somewhere...

Had GT running gear in it... and it was blue...

Hell yeah... thats what we want...

FTG Auto Salvage - site sponsor. Last I saw it a month or so ago it was on carsales for mid 30G. Bargain really.

[weenie]

Originally Posted by GTP006

Funny you should say this...

Just today my wife and I were having what seems to be a never-ending discussion about what to get next. She's over the want for 4WD height and midway through she just said "I'd get another GT if they made a wagon, like those HSV ones we saw the other day".

I don't think I would, more because I am reluctant to get into bed with Ford again but it was an interesting thought at the very least.

Do you mean one like this maybe. At around $10k for the extras it is a little cheaper than WP. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwFU587h6s

[GTP370]

Originally Posted by flappist

If you want a silly car go to Nizpro or Herrods or whomever and get them to build it for you. It will be as genuine as a Walkinshaw.

I suspect for $140,000 Rob Herrod will build you a DJResque FG XR8 with Walkinshaw matching performance.

Interested to what is meant by a silly car?

My interpretation of Walkinshaw; is a business that supplies performance parts, enhances a vehicles performance and develops and retail cars, is this correct? The develops and retail part, the same business model as FPV.

And the likes of Nizpro and Herrods supplies; are businesses that supply performance parts and enhances a vehicles performance. Mot too sure how these type of businesses would fit into the same category?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by GTP370

Interested to what is meant by a silly car?

My interpretation of Walkinshaw; is a business that supplies performance parts, enhances a vehicles performance and develops and retail cars, is this correct? The develops and retail part, the same business model as FPV.

And the likes of Nizpro and Herrods supplies; are businesses that supply performance parts and enhances a vehicles performance. Mot too sure how these type of businesses would fit into the same category?

A silly car is one that has been modified to be far more powerful than its original design. While the engine may be a work of art the chassis and the rest of the drive train have not been engineered with excessive torque in mind.
Due to the extra performance the driver must take extra care when driving.

A twin turbo GTP is a silly car.

[GTP370]

Originally Posted by flappist

A silly car is one that has been modified to be far more powerful than its original design. While the engine may be a work of art the chassis and the rest of the drive train have not been engineered with excessive torque in mind.
Due to the extra performance the driver must take extra care when driving.

A twin turbo GTP is a silly car.

Valid point. But it is fun being silly.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by GTP370

Valid point. But it is fun being silly.

Oh yes. Many of my cars including FPVs have been silly.

[BLKWDW]

Originally Posted by fordman6

Yes... Very.

I thought they looked horrible in pictures! Then I saw one! I wished I could have sliced off my cornea so as to make my mind think of something else rather than 'how could someone make such an ugly plastic attachment?!' Then it occurred - this is the company that came up with this:



*shudders

I love the look of it. Out of the factory bodykits we get on cars now this one had an actual purpose and was wind tunnel tested for maximum flow. But back to the point. I'm a die hard holden fan but dont see why people would bother purchasing these cars when you can buy an ss make it faster, stop better and handle better for alot less doing it yourself. The way i see it people who buy these cars do it for **** factor nothing more.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by GTJOHN

Cleans up ???,..... i doubt it.... anyone silly enuff to pay 100K for one of these things needs to sit down and wonder why .... For 100k id much rather look elsewhere...

How is it any different to someone buying a standard SSV Sportswagon, and spending $43,990 on it on top of the original price tag? Which is the cost of this package.

[DJM83]

If it had a 'proper' SSV nosecone id be happy. The front that is on it (GTO) is hideous.

[PaDDy555]

does all these new 400kw+ walkinshaws mean that ford will grow some balls and bring the GT-HO nxt year above the 400kw mark? i read somewhere they've had un-confirmed engine dynos of over 400kw?

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by PaDDy555

does all these new 400kw+ walkinshaws mean that ford will grow some balls and bring the GT-HO nxt year above the 400kw mark? i read somewhere they've had un-confirmed engine dynos of over 400kw?

These Walkinshaws are only performance enhancements to current Holdens, and HSVs. They're not proper production models.

[blueoval]

The thing that got my attention was Walkinshaw backs his mod package with a full driveline warranty into the cost of its parts. Who else 'aftermarket wise' offers that kind of deal?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by PaDDy555

does all these new 400kw+ walkinshaws mean that ford will grow some balls and bring the GT-HO nxt year above the 400kw mark? i read somewhere they've had un-confirmed engine dynos of over 400kw?

AH.... NO.. Herrod could come up with a "kit" and market it against the Walkinshaw range of upgrades, this has nothing to do with FPV...