VE 6 cylinder hush up?

[f1tzy]

Originally Posted by stang65

Maybe your BA had been thrashed as you weren`t the original owner?

My sv6 would have been thrashed too because it was a manual ex government ute which is beside the point the ba xr8's had those problems regardless of being thrashed or not because of a few design flaws. There are alot of other people on the forums with the same problems

[bmorris]

I think its safe to say that Holden have their own problems as well, but I wouldn't go as far to say more so then the Falcon. You only need to look around this forum to see that, but naturally on a Ford forum there will also be more problems reported with Fords, because thats what the majority of members drive.

This thread doesn't need to turn into a Holden has more problems then Ford etc battle.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by yift

timing chain issues have been evident since the rattletech motor was released in the vz.

i was watching fifth gear segment yesterday about rolls royces. aparently Mr Royce didn't want to use chains in his engine because they often break (circa 1911)

[Sorted]

Prob not a hush up

Just not lil sookies that whinge about everything on their Ford and think EVERYTHING should be covered by a Ford warranty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Waiting for a thread with some one complaining after 12 months that their Ford's Tyres has lost Tyre Pressure!!

[Mr Hardware]

as mentioned, this has been an issue with a number of alloytec motors since they were introduced over 7 years ago.

[Fordlover1313]

my dads ve s1 died after 50000k

[Fordlover1313]

08 model

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Sundeep

80,000km 1 year old Caprice SIDI V6 drank almost 2L of oil between services. Dealer said that it's "common" for them to do that. Really? 2L? It's ok though, they know about it - so it's got a 6.7L sump on it. Lol.

Have a engine light coming on sometimes too, Holden dealer just clears the code and gives the car back. Will make sure I pay more attention as to what code it is next time.

Still love the car though. It's great.

drinks oil and keeps turning engine on ( so there must be a fault they are ignoring) yea sounds like a great car to me [/sarcasm]

[Eaturbo]

Just had a look on Street commodores forums and there are plenty on there with timing chain issues, between $2500 to $4000 depending on how bad it is. Never seen ford 6's with timing chain issues until they have done over 200,000km and usually closer to 300,000 unless they have been thrashed to death. EA on use to use double row timing chain which was nice and strong. I see that the BA on has gone back to single row which is the same as the V6 commodore uses but the Falcons is a wider section single row

[Paxton]

The Alloytec engine was Holden's first attempt with OHC V6 engines. Let's not forget that the Buick Boat Anchor was OHV, with no need for camshaft chains or belts.

Ford had to learn this the same way Holden did in the late 80's, when the 250 X-Flow went OHC, however they over engineered that part of the engine, as has been said, with two Camshaft Chains, which acted as redundancy if one failed. It is just a shame they didn't spend the same amount of time engineering the Head Gasket material...

I'm quietly impressed with the Di engine of Holden, however for long term reliability, the I6 beats it hands down. I will be interested to see how the Duratec engine goes after 2015.

[ratter]

We did the chains on an VE a few months back, it is common but only happens in a small percentage of vehicles are is normally associated with, but not entirely to, oil not being changed regularly.
We've also seen a captive that broke several rocker arms and lifters, which apparantly in also not uncommon.

Fords do not get off the list either, We have seen quite several Ford BA/BF/FG's with timing chain/guide issues, got one in the shop at the momment 50k FG that's jumped a tooth on both cams due to a broken guide.

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by xr8lover

Code comes up as code poo18 crankshaft intake camshaft position!

LOL classic code, Poo is about right

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by ratter

We did the chains on an VE a few months back, it is common but only happens in a small percentage of vehicles are is normally associated with, but not entirely to, oil not being changed regularly.
We've also seen a captive that broke several rocker arms and lifters, which apparantly in also not uncommon.

Fords do not get off the list either, We have seen quite several Ford BA/BF/FG's with timing chain/guide issues, got one in the shop at the momment 50k FG that's jumped a tooth on both cams due to a broken guide.

Gotta love real world stats

[nb_351]

everything has issues, when i was at nissan/vw dealership there was A LOT of vws coming through with major issues, nissans had their fair share too like the pajero TD30 needing major motor repairs/replacements, so much so that they stopped supplying long motors and started sending rebuild kits only... even for full warranty jobs...
then there was the 350z manuals jumping out of gear and shocking whine, the pulsar cam/crank sensor recall, just to mention a few lol

[2011G6E]

You have to remember also that be it Ford, Holden, or Toyota, you are dealing with a mass produced high numbers engine, not a hand built one-at-a-time masterpiece like a Ferrari engine...of course there's going to be bad ones and good ones. I recall guys many years back going through blocks and cranks and cams trying to measure up journals and bearings surfaces ti find the best combination with as close to "perfect" clearances they could find from factory engines.

They'll be good, but not every engine will possibly be perfect...

[pauljh74]

My sister had the same issue on her Captiva - the V6 in that is from the same family of engines as the bigger motor in the VE. Apparently a special tool is required and she was quoted $2500 by the dealer but got it done for $2100 by her mechanic who took a tool with him when he went to work for himself.

It's expected a timing chain should last 10 years plus on average - even the life of the engine, so it is a bit rich to then slug people $2000 plus for a design flaw so early in the vehicle's life.

[natedogg1986]

the issues with the alloytec timing chain appeared when holden changed the size of the chain from 9mm to 7.6mm(i think thats right). seen numerous of them. come up with performance codes for either bank 1 or 2. holden stick a camera down there and look at the ratchet for the chain tensioners and count how many teeth the ratches is out. then they can work out how streached it is.
they also have a wonderful design of thermostat. at the back of the motor so the gearbox has to come out to replace it.
i personally have seen heaps of holden vz, ve and the crewman and ute variants with major problems when they come in for their first out of warranty service. the holden boys were just clearing engine lights and topping up the coolant and not looking for the problems.
dont know it there being told not to look or its first years doing the work but the holden dealer round here, i dont know how they stay in business, there workshop is always empty when i go to pick up parts.

[natedogg1986]

and it affects the captiva's too as stated.

[THE CADBURY KID]

Originally Posted by nb_351

everything has issues, when i was at nissan/vw dealership there was A LOT of vws coming through with major issues, nissans had their fair share too like the pajero TD30 needing major motor repairs/replacements, so much so that they stopped supplying long motors and started sending rebuild kits only... even for full warranty jobs...
then there was the 350z manuals jumping out of gear and shocking whine, the pulsar cam/crank sensor recall, just to mention a few lol

Pajero is mitsubishi not nissan.

[onfire]

Originally Posted by xr8lover

Interesting to find out that owners of VE V6's are experiencing lots of timing chain issues that is identified by a logged fault in the computer system, strange how all this has been kept mighty quiet yet people like Herald-Sun motoring writers just get their big thrills out of constantly reporting any fault in a Ford product, ah yes, good old favouritism again!

Oh no! Call the Police! CONSPIRACY!

[Pub247]

Originally Posted by Paxton

The Alloytec engine was Holden's first attempt with OHC V6 engines. Let's not forget that the Buick Boat Anchor was OHV, with no need for camshaft chains or belts.

Ford had to learn this the same way Holden did in the late 80's, when the 250 X-Flow went OHC, however they over engineered that part of the engine, as has been said, with two Camshaft Chains, which acted as redundancy if one failed. It is just a shame they didn't spend the same amount of time engineering the Head Gasket material...

I'm quietly impressed with the Di engine of Holden, however for long term reliability, the I6 beats it hands down. I will be interested to see how the Duratec engine goes after 2015.

Not true buick boat anchors have a timing chain in fact mine does and its done 500,000klms on the original engine gearbox gave up at 470,000ks. V6's arent all that bad... Issues with timing chain been around for years i saw one come into reconditioner i worked at when they were basically brand new.

[Stazza_Brendan]

Originally Posted by natedogg1986

the holden boys were just clearing engine lights and topping up the coolant and not looking for the problems.

Guy i work with had this drama with his VZ. Holden would scan for codes. clear them and say its all sweet. 5-10 mins down the road lights come up again.
He was kinda glad someone wrote his car off not long ago so he didnt have to go through Holdens service again.

[Eaturbo]

Thats why i am still a big fan of timing belts. With the improved manufacturing procedures and better materials used in making them, they can now get up to 150,000 kms out of a belt. They are easy to change and dont rattle on start up. They do make more noise than chains when runing but.

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by FREE02

Pajero is mitsubishi not nissan.

patrol my bad lol

[FPT]

Originally Posted by natedogg1986

the holden boys were just clearing engine lights and topping up the coolant and not looking for the problems.

Originally Posted by Stazza_Brendan

Guy i work with had this drama with his VZ. Holden would scan for codes. clear them and say its all sweet. 5-10 mins down the road lights come up again.
He was kinda glad someone wrote his car off not long ago so he didnt have to go through Holdens service again.

But I thought it was only Ford that had shocking service

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Thats why i am still a big fan of timing belts. With the improved manufacturing procedures and better materials used in making them, they can now get up to 150,000 kms out of a belt. They are easy to change and dont rattle on start up. They do make more noise than chains when runing but.

Timing belts are more likely to snap than timing chains, and chains don't need to be changed at a particular service interval, they usually last as long as the engine does, so I don't see how you think they are better.

[1TUFFUTE]

i read somewhere a while ago that the holden commadore is the most recalled car model per sale in aus motoring history. think it was in the racq magazine

[burnz]

speaking of recalls terry SZ is about a fuel line ploblem..assume petrol jobbie.
and cruze JG seat belt dramas..

[BHDOGS]

yeh yeh yeh but ford have recalls and um there stupid because ford does it to and and um holden isnt that bad yawn give me a break already

[FPT]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

yeh yeh yeh but ford have recalls and um there stupid because ford does it to and and um holden isnt that bad yawn give me a break already