is a mercedes c63 amg 2.5 times the car of a fpv 335 GT? - Page 2

gcg2503 · 22-10-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by F6E

Just come from Elite's Dyno Day.....

Stock C63 posted 251 rwkw pretty much what a stock F6 pulls ?

Nope

Stock F6 should pull between 280-300rwkw standard

AMGC63 · 22-10-2011, 02:49 PM

I think if the debate dumbs down to which has the most RWKW or which is quicker over the 1/4 we've lost total and complete sight about what the C63 is about and what it represents...

My first Merc was a fantastic experience, from the dealer interaction to the drive day to the cars themselves it was a first class experience.
To define what the C63C is to me can be summed up with a few words; refined, opulent, harmony, symphony, image, status, presence, involving, rewarding....

Ive never driven a sedan that involves and rewards you as much as this car does..

The product has set new sales records for AMG in Australia and would out number HSV/FPV vehicles in some areas 3:1...

Wretched · 22-10-2011, 02:49 PM

Yes it is.
If you get to drive one you wouldn't need to ask such a question.

LightningStrike · 22-10-2011, 02:56 PM

Buy both then tell us.

**DJM83** · 22-10-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AMGC63

I think if the debate dumbs down to which has the most RWKW or which is quicker over the 1/4 we've lost total and complete sight about what the C63 is about and what it represents...

Agreed, ive never owned one, doubt i ever will (My XR5 is as close as ill get to a decent Euro).
But if we are comparing RWKW, 1/4 mile times etc, yeah maybe the GT will be quick in a straight line but as soon as the first bend comes i reckon i know what will be in front. And for me thats what i enjoy, going around corners straight lines bore me.

GT is still very good BFYB.

AMGC63 · 22-10-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Agreed, ive never owned one, doubt i ever will (My XR5 is as close as ill get to a decent Euro).
But if we are comparing RWKW, 1/4 mile times etc, yeah maybe the GT will be quick in a straight line but as soon as the first bend comes i reckon i know what will be in front.

GT is still very good BFYB.

Agree... i think comparring them does a dis-service to FPV and the GT, which is a fantastic vehicle for the money you pay.

Ill bet anything AMG have far more than 2.5 times FPV's R+D budget and sales too.... Its all relative to what you have to play with.

FPV do an outstanding job.

jpd80 · 22-10-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sprint347dave

does the c63 start out as a taxi car aswell ?

Ford has not offered fleets a taxi pack for about 10 years and still the stigma persists...

charles_wif_xf · 22-10-2011, 03:14 PM

I've driven a current model C63. It is a very rapid machine. Straight line, it feels like its only marginally quicker at best compared to my XR6T. Around corners... thats another story

. It handles and stops like nothing else. The interior feels liks its carved from a single piece of wood, it is that well screwed together and the quality of materials used is second to none. There is a massive amount of snobbery that washes over you when you're piloting one of these. As much as I enjoyed the car, I felt dirty when I handed the keys back to the owner.

Is it worth the $150k we pay for them here... hell no. Is it worth the $70 - 80k that the good folk in the US and A pay, hell yes. At that sort of money... you'd find that it would be a very blue blooded (and thus very rare) soul that would pick a current GT/GT-P over a C63.
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Having said that, by spending $25 - 30k on mods, my XR6T would make the C63 look like a toy on the track. Yes, the money will never be recouped, but it would be a very unique car.

**Polyal** · 22-10-2011, 03:20 PM

Its obviously not that simple, id love to know what the C classes budget is like compared to the falcons..LOL..for that reason alone you just cannot compare them properly.

That and the pansy C63 is auto only.

...(thats sarcasm for the serious people out there). But honestly, for a weekend warrior the auto only kills it for me, seems like you have that awesome engine and you dont get to play with it properly.

AMGC63 · 22-10-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Its obviously not that simple, id love to know what the C classes budget is like compared to the falcons..LOL..for that reason alone you just cannot compare them properly.

That and the pansy C63 is auto only.

...(thats sarcasm for the serious people out there). But honestly, for a weekend warrior the auto only kills it for me, seems like you have that awesome engine and you dont get to play with it properly.

If you were a serious weekend track warrior id go as far as to say the M3 would be a better choice, having driven both though the M3 is too highly strung for an every day car, the C63 is more civilised and uses its grunt and torque to propel you where as the M3 needs to have its neck rung off and you feel "racey" all the time..!! LOL

Auslandau · 22-10-2011, 03:36 PM

......... bit like asking is the $485,000 difference between a F149 Ferrari and a Mazda MX5 worth it? They both have 2 doors, 4 tyres and a steering wheel?

**Polyal** · 22-10-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AMGC63

If you were a serious weekend track warrior id go as far as to say the M3 would be a better choice, having driven both though the M3 is too highly strung for an every day car, the C63 is more civilised and uses its grunt and torque to propel you where as the M3 needs to have its neck rung off and you feel "racey" all the time..!! LOL

True but where does it end, then you could say why get an M3, get some focused lotus etc.

Perhaps, but I dont think Merc really have any big hitting manual V8's, can the SLS even be optioned with one? They all have super dooper smooth "smart" 7/8 autos.

jpd80 · 22-10-2011, 04:15 PM

There's something a little weird with prices in Australia, on MB's UK website,
the C63 sedan has an on the road price from £55,565.00...LINK

I'm no expert but around AU $90,000 for a UK RHD version is a lot less
than the ridiculous prices charged here even with LCT removed...

Make you think car companies see luxury cars as an excuse to
charge whatever they like in different parts of the world..

greenjgs · 22-10-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Hmmm, I'm definitly with Elks on this one and am very fortunate to own a current model S Class and a SC GT-P.

First up, the comparison isn't valid, C63 is a small car in no way comaprable in size to the 335. Comparable car is either the E63 AMG or S63 AMG, 335 is half way between in size between these two cars, so price up an E63 or S63 and the 335 starts to look very inexpensive. (Retail on an S63 AMG is over $400,000 last time I looked).

My Merc has had major problems with its diesel particulate filter, 5 months of negotiations with M Benz, they were arrogant, unhelpful and only responded when I went on a war footing with engineer experts and threats of publicity and legal action. Now resolved but shouldn't take five months, assistance from 2 engineer friends and all the drama's, compares to one water pum,p failure in the 335 that was fixed promptly and without any fuss whatsoever.
Imagine how you'd feel if your new Mercedes was ingesting 1 litre of fuel into the engines sump and mixing with the oil, every 3,000 km's !!

Merc's have interior style and class in abundence, no argument there and by and large they're very well put together with world class construction safety, top qulaity paint and so on but are they worth the money. No !!!!
In fact if you want the fastest way to tear up money you've ever come across buy a new S Class.

Here's the thing though, its not just taxes, duty GST and LCT that makes up the price locally, the local distributor is bending you right over too...and guess who owns the right to distribute M Benz cars in Australia and new Zealand....that's right M Benz Germany, they're bending you right over and ******* you in the **** right along with your Government. M Benz are the most arrogant company I've ever dealt with in over 35 years of owning cars, believe me the German arrogance goes right through that organisation from the head office in Germany right down to your local dealer and everywhere in between. If you think lots of money buys you a guaranteed problem free run, you're wrong and good luck when you start dealing with the "German machine" that's there after sales service and "care"

SC GT-P is a good high performance vehicle for the money. I like both my cars a lot but only one of them is fairly priced and just in case anyone wants to know the Zf 6 speed auot in the FPV is significantly better than the 7G Tronic box of the Merc.

And this added to the reasons why I didn't buy the M3. BMW treated my father like crap with his 530, take me a week to write the list of problems he had. However, I had an E500 with a butt load of problems and can agree that MB Aust are very arogant and don't get it, the dealer's support is the only reason I went with MB again and bought the C63.

I think we all could find someone that's had a horror run with most car co's. Unfortunately its a bit of a crap shoot these days and with the amount of money these things cost it shouldn't be. It's not like any of these co's started building cars yesterday!

F6E · 22-10-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford has not offered fleets a taxi pack for about 10 years and still the stigma persists...

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Chin up !! even the M5 is offered in a taxi pack

(so too is the Aston Martin Vantage)

JC · 22-10-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunter

It's actually 2.78 times the car. Others may disagree.

Yes.

Yes.

2.78. I see you've rounded a bit.

A person who can afford a C63 might buy an FPV as a daily.........

SteveJH · 22-10-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

True but where does it end, then you could say why get an M3, get some focused lotus etc.

Perhaps, but I dont think Merc really have any big hitting manual V8's, can the SLS even be optioned with one? They all have super dooper smooth "smart" 7/8 autos.

You could just about get an FPV GT/F6 AND a Lotus Exige for the price of a C63 or M3 if you wanted to do it that way.

pottery beige · 22-10-2011, 05:48 PM

i bet you pick up x 2.5 more chicks in the Merc......

Whitey-AMG · 22-10-2011, 06:17 PM

Lets put it this way.....if they were both the same price....which one would you lay your coin down for and why ??

With the current price disparity , its easy to make the judgements and criticisms either way....but if you had to choose only 1 and they were both the same price....how would you justify one over the other ?

Stefan · 22-10-2011, 06:45 PM

My understanding is that unlike our FPVs being a falcon shell with go fast bit bolted on retrospectively, the C63 has it's own body shell and no interchangeable parts with a C-class Merc.

Someone might be able to confirm this.

FPVGT500 · 22-10-2011, 08:16 PM

Not sure all of you have heard but the C63s are getting issues were the crankshafts are snapping for them not being heat treated properly currently its being investigated by AMG, not trying to downplay the car its an awesome beast but just putting the message out there.

**DJM83** · 22-10-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVGT500

Not sure all of you have heard but the C63s are getting issues were the crankshafts are snapping for them not being heat treated properly currently its being investigated by AMG, not trying to downplay the car its an awesome beast but just putting the message out there.

Yeah those things can happen to any manufacturer though.

MITCHAY · 22-10-2011, 09:01 PM

Lol is the C63 AMG worth 2.5 times the car of a FPV GT or 3 times the price of a STi. Hulk mate you need to come up with better material

BTW that C63 in the earlier posts is ******* hot. I think I creamed myself

Windsor342ci · 22-10-2011, 09:06 PM

There is nothing like a C63! Nothing. Im a Ford man through and through but the quality and sheer performance out of these AMGs are scary! Those that believe they are "marginally" quicker then a XR6T or any FPV standard are in denial! These cars are weapons producing 800NM of Torque!!!

Reality, the 335 is a muscle car and amazing at that! But the C63 is not compairable! Not now, not for the forseeable future either!

**SSD-85** · 22-10-2011, 09:13 PM

The C63 is not my cup of tea. And so not to offend Eurolovers, ill leave it at that.

To answer the question, yes it is. And so it should be, just wouldnt catch me dead in one, even if I won it. Id sell it & march over to my nearest FPV dealer. And with my spare change, drive my new 335 GT over to Herrods....

Shouldnt be surprising, given im on a Ford forum and all....

Whitey-AMG · 22-10-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

There is nothing like a C63! Nothing. Im a Ford man through and through but the quality and sheer performance out of these AMGs are scary! Those that believe they are "marginally" quicker then a XR6T or any FPV standard are in denial! These cars are weapons producing 800NM of Torque!!!

Reality, the 335 is a muscle car and amazing at that! But the C63 is not compairable! Not now, not for the forseeable future either!

AMG = 6.3 litre N/A engine and makes 600NM

Although a brilliant engine.......my money would be on the FPV Coyote to spank it over the 1/4 and 1 mile. Doesn't make the FPV a better car, but I'd be confident the FPV would hand the BENZ its quad pipes on a plate.......

Windsor342ci · 22-10-2011, 09:40 PM

Well everyone is talking forced induction here. XR6T, F6s and 335s. AMG 6.3 Blown is 800NM

Whitey-AMG · 22-10-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

Well everyone is talking forced induction here. XR6T, F6s and 335s. AMG 6.3 Blown is 800NM

As far as I know - AMG C63 is N/A. I thought we were comparing the C63 to the FPV 335..........no ?

Windsor342ci · 22-10-2011, 09:48 PM

Sorry, my mistake. Wires mixed. The AMG CLS63. 5.5L TT V8 my numbers where refering too.

GT 160 · 22-10-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

As far as I know - AMG C63 is N/A. I thought we were comparing the C63 to the FPV 335..........no ?

C63 AMG is 6.3 N/A 336kw 600nm and it would smack any factory falcon, hsv etc any day of the week.

All this obsession with 1/4 mile times these days in relation to how one car is better than another means nothing if the car doesn't stop and handle.

Which the C63 does, in spades !