Police bash hoon drivers

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Easy to sit in judgement based on 30 seconds of video with no sound with no idea on how long these blokes may have been a problem for the town. A few very good clips behind the ear may have been the only way to deal with them after a few years of public harassment. I have known enough blokes in my time that deserve this and more ...... whether it is right or wrong depends of course on your tolerance of these type of people.

Hoon laws mean they will lose licence etc. and if not first offence quite likely to be given at least public service orders etc. The penalties are stiff and by and large even the minimums are stiff for first offence, let alone third offence.

--- The following is police statement

From 1 July, 2011 police will have the power to immediately impound hoon vehicles for 30 days, a significant increase on the current two day period.

Repeat offenders will also face court where they risk losing their vehicle for a further three months, with a minimum 45 days, or having their vehicle seized permanently.

The news gets worse for dangerous drivers, with the range of hoon offences also increasing to include repeat drink, drug and unlicensed driving, as well as overloading a vehicle with passengers.

Since hoon laws were introduced in 2006:

Police have impounded more than 14,500 vehicles.
About 96 per cent of hoon offenders are male.
About 41 per cent of hoon offenders are aged 18 to 21; 24 per cent are aged 22 to 25; almost 13 per cent are aged 26 to 29.
The 30 to 39 year old age group are the fastest growing group for hoon offenders, increasing from 11 per cent of offenders is 2006 to 17 per cent of offenders in 2011.
More than 45 per cent of hoon offenders are full licensed drivers, with probationary drivers making up 38 per cent of offenders.
Excessive speed is the most common offence (5474 offences), followed by improper use of a motor vehicle (5013 offences).

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Mansfields my old home town.....


I dont condone the actions of either party, both stupid and irresponsible, but "some" of the local coppers there have gotten away with much worse.

Some of that areas local coppers can be really good, i've been defected in the area before, but it was totally reasonable and after about 30 secs the copper was a resonable fella, but as with everything there is always a minority that take it to far (from both sides of the law) etc etc and ruin all.

We all should heed this very important point.

[IDT]

Originally Posted by Tread_

Agreed, every police encounter I've had, whether it be a routine stop to being pulled over for speeding, has been met with extreme sarcasm and what seems to be attempts at invoking a reaction out of me.

None of my police experiences have been pleasant, and I've being "yes sir, no sir 3 bags full sir" 99% of the time, I really don't understand their attitude towards me. Now being 28 years of age and having this consistent behaviour by police since I got my license at 17, doesn't leave me with the best impression.

I have been driving since 17 and am now 42. I have never had anything but polite behaviour and courtesy from Police. That includes a DUI in my early 20's as well as a bunch of other encounters you would expect from a young soldier (From 17 to 25 years old). They get treated like crap way too often and on occassion one or two may snap. On this occasion the punishment exceeds the crime in my opinion.

[Windsor342ci]

I cant say in recent years Ive had any problems with the NSW Police Force. Considering I have a shady past (Traffic Offences) when I was on my P's. Im actually greatful they dont judge me on that.
Ive been pulled over for RBT's etc etc, nothing. No rudeness or anything. That being said, I do my very best from my behaviour to not give them a reason to want to throw the book at me.
When I was younger, a different story, I asked for the trouble I got in.. Nowa days, sure, If they wanted to defect either of my cars they'd have a list pages long, but nothing, I greet them, I show respect and off I got. I can confidently say in about 5 years Ive had no dramas with attitude and its now been over 3 yrs since my last fine.

[mcnews]

I agree, I have always been treated well by the police. Which goes to show what a bad apple such as this thug actually is and why he should be weeded out, and one would think almost every member of the force would be shamed by his actions and want him out also.

[atec77]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I read this in the paper.

Surprised they didn't get away with it.

This , and should have

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Hoon laws mean they will lose licence etc. and if not first offence quite likely to be given at least public service orders etc. The penalties are stiff and by and large even the minimums are stiff for first offence, let alone third offence.

--- The following is police statement

From 1 July, 2011 police will have the power to immediately impound hoon vehicles for 30 days, a significant increase on the current two day period.

Repeat offenders will also face court where they risk losing their vehicle for a further three months, with a minimum 45 days, or having their vehicle seized permanently.

The news gets worse for dangerous drivers, with the range of hoon offences also increasing to include repeat drink, drug and unlicensed driving, as well as overloading a vehicle with passengers.

Since hoon laws were introduced in 2006:

Police have impounded more than 14,500 vehicles.
About 96 per cent of hoon offenders are male.
About 41 per cent of hoon offenders are aged 18 to 21; 24 per cent are aged 22 to 25; almost 13 per cent are aged 26 to 29.
The 30 to 39 year old age group are the fastest growing group for hoon offenders, increasing from 11 per cent of offenders is 2006 to 17 per cent of offenders in 2011.
More than 45 per cent of hoon offenders are full licensed drivers, with probationary drivers making up 38 per cent of offenders.
Excessive speed is the most common offence (5474 offences), followed by improper use of a motor vehicle (5013 offences).

As I stated ........ no one here knows what transpired before hand and for how long. Was it just a simple traffic offence or was it a combination of something else that resulted in this? Not saying the actions were reasonable or required but take enough crap from someone and any reasonable person will snap eventually .... warranted or not.

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by Bluepower

Its nearly wrong for anyone to even comment on this unless they have put their backside on the line and worn a badge for a living.

Doing a burnout in front of a Police station? Are these punks for real?

What did they expect from the police? milk and cookies?

Just a few years ago a hoon driver killed a bunch of people walking home from a party in Mildura, has anyone in this thread stopped to think of where hoon behaviour could end up? What about the poor coppers who delivered the death messages? Ever heard of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome??

Good on the police for delivering a lesson to some punks who obviously needed it. I reckon they were only love taps anyway.

my 2c

What about the legitimately decent cop who might have had to deliver the death messsage to the hoon's parents/family if the cop beat him too hard?

2 sides of the coin here IMO. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Wasn't there that "1 punch can kill" campaign not that long ago?

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Excessive speed is the most common offence (5474 offences),

excessive speed is now hooning?

[mcnews]

Makes you sick doesn't it.... And I think in Victoria 25 over in a 100 zone puts you in that category... 35 in a different zone, I might be out a little but I know it is pathetic.

[Bluepower]

Originally Posted by Tread_

What about the legitimately decent cop who might have had to deliver the death messsage to the hoon's parents/family if the cop beat him too hard?

2 sides of the coin here IMO. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Wasn't there that "1 punch can kill" campaign not that long ago?

Injuries were minimal, lessons learned.

Your obviously not a cop, and hiding behind a new name isnt new.....

These kids could have taken out anyone with their stupid behaiviour.

2 wrongs dont make a right? I dont see anything wrong on Vicpol's part.

2 smart alec's, 2 lessons learnt, 2 cops that should have recieved promotions.
I was omygod so shocked to see a VN commodore in the background.....

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Tread_

Wasn't there that "1 punch can kill" campaign not that long ago?

That was only meant for non coppers though... If they do it you must have deserved it...

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by Bluepower

Injuries were minimal, lessons learned.

Your obviously not a cop, and hiding behind a new name isnt new.....

These kids could have taken out anyone with their stupid behaiviour.

2 wrongs dont make a right? I dont see anything wrong on Vicpol's part.

2 smart alec's, 2 lessons learnt, 2 cops that should have recieved promotions.
I was omygod so shocked to see a VN commodore in the background.....

Would you not concede that both incidents, the hooning AND the bashing/beating/whatever your want to call it had the POTENTIAL to be fatal?

I don't condone either of the actions in question, and I have nothing to hide as I am actually a new member of this forum, not that I can see why that has any relevance regardless..

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by mcnews

That was only meant for non coppers though... If they do it you must have deserved it...

So it's a "do as I say not as I do" kind of situation?

Shouldn't the Police be leading by example? I don't understand the logic there.

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by Tread_

What about the legitimately decent cop who might have had to deliver the death messsage to the hoon's parents/family if the cop beat him too hard?

2 sides of the coin here IMO. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Wasn't there that "1 punch can kill" campaign not that long ago?

i understand what people are saying about hoons thinking about what could happen as a result of their behaviour. It wasnt that long ago i would be a little silly on the streets as a young driver, and thank god, and close to, i havent caused any injury to anyone but my own pride.

However, i wouldnt condone the beating of someone by police. Where does it stop then? J-walking?

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Tread_

So it's a "do as I say not as I do" kind of situation?

Shouldn't the Police be leading by example? I don't understand the logic there.

Sarcasm mate :-)

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Sarcasm mate :-)

Oh haha my bad :P

[roberts]

how many drivers?

[Bluepower]

Originally Posted by Tread_

Would you not concede that both incidents, the hooning AND the bashing/beating/whatever your want to call it had the POTENTIAL to be fatal?

I don't condone either of the actions in question, and I have nothing to hide as I am actually a new member of this forum, not that I can see why that has any relevance regardless..

If they were behaving like respectful citizens, they wouldn't have required an attitude adjustment.

[Tread_]

Originally Posted by Bluepower

If they were behaving like respectful citizens, they wouldn't have required an attitude adjustment.

So is that a yes to my question or..?

[Linkachu]

Some people need sense beaten into them, I for one think it is what is missing these days.
My old man told me stories of how drunken idiots/abusive people were put in the divy and taken out a dirt road, givin a floggin and made to walk back. They usually learnt their lesson after that.

[CAT600]

I drive fast, I get caught, I NEVER get beaten

There is more to this than do-gooders would have us believe, these guys will have shot their mouths off and then received a lesson in manners and humility.

As I say, I treat the long arm of the law with the respect it deserved, and i've NEVER been on the receiving end of any violence.

Daniel

[mcnews]

"Quote - Some people need sense beaten into them, I for one think it is what is missing these days.
My old man told me stories of how drunken idiots/abusive people were put in the divy and taken out a dirt road, givin a floggin and made to walk back. They usually learnt their lesson after that."

--

Yeah let's go back to them days. Repeal the right to vote for women and abo's while you're at it too! Let the church brothers keep kiddy fiddling under the carpet etc. it all goes with going back to those great old times...

[FordACE]

Originally Posted by Tread_

Agreed, every police encounter I've had, whether it be a routine stop to being pulled over for speeding, has been met with extreme sarcasm and what seems to be attempts at invoking a reaction out of me.

None of my police experiences have been pleasant, and I've being "yes sir, no sir 3 bags full sir" 99% of the time, I really don't understand their attitude towards me. Now being 28 years of age and having this consistent behaviour by police since I got my license at 17, doesn't leave me with the best impression.

I had this recently. Was driving home from work doing 60 in a 60 zone and in the dark pulled up on the side of the road were two police officers (lights off) pulling up cars for random breath test. Fair enough I thought. Until the officer accused me of speeding and was being quite aggressive toward me. The whole thing left quite a bitter taste in my mouth. I've only ever had one speeding fine in my 13 years of driving (was doing 70 in a 60 zone even though i thought it was a 70 zone, my bad).

Anyway, he certainly made my blood boil but I stayed as calm as possible.

Back on topic, the cops got what they deserved here. You can't go around bashing people just because you feel like it.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by CAT600

I drive fast, I get caught, I NEVER get beaten

There is more to this than do-gooders would have us believe, these guys will have shot their mouths off and then received a lesson in manners and humility.

As I say, I treat the long arm of the law with the respect it deserved, and i've NEVER been on the receiving end of any violence.

Daniel

Agree ......

I thought that a whole 25 seconds of video evidence would be enough for anyone to know the history of what went on? Yes? No?

People do get to the stage of just taking so much crap and then popping and the pop that went on, while the video on its own is not crash hot, could very much been the result of a long standing clash between hot headed d'heads mouthing off once too much. There is a straw that breaks the camels back and that may have been it. I don't know why they went troppo and to take either side without the facts is a bit naive and typical of the do-gooders standing up for the dregs out there.

How many threads have I read on people wanting to visit those who steal their cars or vandalise their property. Maybe a favour was just performed for a few out their and if the full story was known, a different attitude would transpire .........

[Bossxr8]

Stupidity on both sides.

Burnouts in front of the cop shop, what did they think was going to happen?

Then the cops flogging them with batons. Good way to leave scars for evidence you idiots, and in front of a camera. Real smart.

A clip behind the ears was probably warranted, but a flogging with a baton is in another league. I'm not against some lower levels of society given a bit of a touch up with say a punch in the guts, but batons?

The 2 cops are as dumb as the hoons.

[Fireblade]

Haven't seen the video until now and didn't want to remark until I had, I understand some opinions of this on both sides, I was expecting to see a copper giving him a touch up not a full on beating that was given (Reminds me of the Rodney King incident), that copper makes a mockery of the law he is supposed to be upholding and is no better than your garden variety thug, I don't care what these guys have done unless it was a retaliation to violence towards them then it may be warranted but if that didn't happen there is no good excuse/reason for this and they should be brought to justice with a much firmer sentence than your common criminal, the police are not above the law and cannot and must not act this way, they are meant to be role models and upstanding citizens, these 3 (not just the 2 that acted but also the one standing by and watching) are dirt and deserve no respect.

[b055m4n]

Originally Posted by CAT600

I drive fast, I get caught, I NEVER get beaten

There is more to this than do-gooders would have us believe, these guys will have shot their mouths off and then received a lesson in manners and humility.

As I say, I treat the long arm of the law with the respect it deserved, and i've NEVER been on the receiving end of any violence.

Daniel

I agree they had it coming they must have mouthed off, cops have got enough to deal with out this crap..

[blackf6]

Part of me thinks these idiots were deliberatly taunting the police so they got what was coming to them. Exactly who in their right mind would be doing burnouts in front of a police station?

[mcnews]

Putting up with crap like bashing defenceless young men who have surrendered and are sitting on the ground with their hands behind their backs for a good beating with batons while throwing in kicks and punches to boot... I didn't think that was crap they put up with, I thought it was crap they did for fun....