Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Zetec review - Page 2

Nic85 · 10-03-2012, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Longevity of late model diesels are more of a question mark. Stuff like injector pumps, injectors, particulate filters, variable geometry turbos etc.
I certainly wouldnt want to own one out of warranty...

That's like saying spark plugs and coil packs are worth worrying about with a petrol engine.

XR Martin · 10-03-2012, 02:11 AM

Err difference is coils and plugs might be a few hundred at worst.

The parts I listed are many thousands...

Nic85 · 10-03-2012, 03:04 AM

You know, the worst thing I've ever had happen to any car I've driven, was a 2001 Holden Barina 1.4L petrol. Threw a rod straight through the side of the block. Sure was expensive to fix.

GK · 10-03-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kaniSS

Seriously if you need to buy a car that's 1.0lt to save on petrol, maybe you should drive all together.

Fair go!

It's impressive technology and I'm sure will boost Fords sales here. Even if your preference is for larger engines, surely a Ford fan should be able to appreciate the work Ford's engineers have done?

If my financial situation was right, I'd certainly consider one of these, or maybe when the engine gets into the Fiesta.

Imagine the Focus with the 2.0EB engine. That'd be a cracker!

GK

jpd80 · 10-03-2012, 11:27 AM

Ecoboost can be both performance and fuel economy depending on application.
I can see the 1.0 EB being very impressive in Fiesta with a combined of 4.8 l/100 km and with that sort of economy, who needs hybrids or diesels.

Chilliman · 10-03-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

Imagine the Focus with the 2.0EB engine. That'd be a cracker!

GK

The 2.0EB will be the performance engine in the Focus - its called the Focus ST and will have a 2.0Litre EcoBoost tuned for 184kW/360Nm

JimStone · 10-03-2012, 02:49 PM

From personal experience the 2.0EB 149Kw/320Nm in the 1650kg Mondeo is squirrely enough in the wet; 184kW/360Nm would be downright scary in a 1250kg Focus even with stability control and torque vectoring. Best to limit that tune to the RWD Falcon or an AWD platform

Nic85 · 10-03-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStone

From personal experience the 2.0EB 149Kw/320Nm in the 1650kg Mondeo is squirrely enough in the wet; 184kW/360Nm would be downright scary in a 1250kg Focus even with stability control and torque vectoring. Best to limit that tune to the RWD Falcon or an AWD platform

Focus ST weight will be closer to 1500kg mate, nowhere near 1250kg.

TMC · 10-03-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Focus ST weight will be closer to 1500kg mate, nowhere near 1250kg.

I think my EL Falcon weighed about that much.

Bobman · 10-03-2012, 05:05 PM

I was hoping the fuel economy figure would have been better, especially for a combined range. 5l/100km isn't that super for what it is.

Interesting prospect none-the-less.

OzJavelin · 10-03-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Big power out of a one litre motor? Motorbike riders have known that for years........

In all seriousness, these ecoboost motors seem to be the ducks guts.

If they can just get it to sound like a Laverda Jota (1L inline triple) .. that would be the ultimate in cool!

jpd80 · 10-03-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

I was hoping the fuel economy figure would have been better, especially for a combined range. 5l/100km isn't that super for what it is.

Interesting prospect none-the-less.

It's easy to be critical until you realise that the combined is still 20% better than the current 1.6 I-4
and considering that diesel has more energy per litre, that's a pretty stunning achievement.

the 1.0 EB basically delivers the same fuel economy as the 2.0 TDCI without the price premium,
all you have to do is learn to live with 200 nm and not the 320 nm of the diesel..

TMC · 10-03-2012, 09:48 PM

Difference between modern turbo diesel and petrol ecoboost - noise. Diesels are noisy. I don't care what anyone says they are noisy things, whereas petrols are for more quiet.

I was standing in a local back street just today and every second car is a diesel, and not old ones either. Even the latest Mondeo diesel went down the street and it was noisy. So quiet little Ecoboost will give a level of refinement a diesel won't have.

Franco Cozzo · 10-03-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

Difference between modern turbo diesel and petrol ecoboost - noise. Diesels are noisy. I don't care what anyone says they are noisy things, whereas petrols are for more quiet.

I was standing in a local back street just today and every second car is a diesel, and not old ones either. Even the latest Mondeo diesel went down the street and it was noisy. So quiet little Ecoboost will give a level of refinement a diesel won't have.

I can agree with this, when its cold and idling in my driveway in the morning before i leave to go to work, I can actually hear it from the end of my driveway, half way inside my house, if you go outside, the noise of it overpowers the old mans car's lifter noise and dodgy idle on his car.

saber · 11-03-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by EL97

By looking at the video, you can see that changing the timing belt would be a pain. Hopefully it is as long life as promised.

Hi mate

Refer to this video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t908...eature=related

In it, the powertrain engineer states the timing belt is lubricated by the engine oil (which is also shown in the first video). As such, it should last the "life" of the engine. Although he didn't state what the life of the engine is..

jpd80 · 11-03-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saber

Hi mate

Refer to this video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t908...eature=related

In it, the powertrain engineer states the timing belt is lubricated by the engine oil (which is also shown in the first video). As such, it should last the "life" of the engine. Although he didn't state what the life of the engine is..

He was equating it with a timing chain in that it doesn't require servicing so knowing that emissions
regulations require a minimum of 160,000 Km in Europe and 100,000 miles in the USA,
I would say that it's good for about 8-10 years of fuss free service life..

Anyone catch that Ford skipped balance shafts and instead use deliberate imbalance
in dampener and flywheel to cancel out vibrations. Also 200 nm at 1400 to 4,500 rpm.
This little rocket will feel and act like a baby diesel off the mark..

Nic85 · 11-03-2012, 01:56 PM

jpd80: You're getting a bit carried away mate. It makes 200Nm @ 1500rpm, but only on overboost for a very limited time. The rest of the time it makes 170Nm @ 1500rpm.

jpd80 · 11-03-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

jpd80: You're getting a bit carried away mate. It makes 200Nm @ 1500rpm, but only on overboost for a very limited time. The rest of the time it makes 170Nm @ 1500rpm.

Yeah, they hype the overboost but really you only get a few seconds like flooring the pedal off the mark or on kickdown.
You won't get it for long flooring up a long grade, like trying to overtake in a passing lane going up hill..
It would be better in lighter vehicles like Fiesta, Ecosport and maybe Ka..

Nic85 · 11-03-2012, 04:26 PM

This little engine in a 1000kg Fiesta would be sweet. Little engines biggest downfall is weight of the vehicle. So, the Focus, even at only 1250kgs, only gets to 100km/h in 11.3 seconds (read: an eternity) But, in a 1000kg Fiesta, it'll probably be more like around 8-9 seconds.

XR Martin · 11-03-2012, 04:56 PM

Hope Ford can lobby the Government to allow all these ecoboost engines to be driven by P-Platers. In 12-18 months every Ford model sold here will have one or two ecoboost engines and only the base models will remain N/A.

Crazy Dazz · 23-03-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Longevity of late model diesels are more of a question mark. Stuff like injector pumps, injectors, particulate filters, variable geometry turbos etc.

Right, because petrol engines don’t have any of those things?
Turbo-charging engines isn’t new. I remember back in the 80’s when Ford dealers were turboing Falcons and LTD’s, claiming “The Power of a V8 with the Economy of a 6.”
Invariably what you got was (eventually) the power of a V8, the Economy of an F111, the reliability of a Lada Cevaro, and the paint blistering off your bonnet.

Bossxr8 · 23-03-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Right, because petrol engines don’t have any of those things?
Turbo-charging engines isn’t new. I remember back in the 80’s when Ford dealers were turboing Falcons and LTD’s, claiming “The Power of a V8 with the Economy of a 6.”
Invariably what you got was (eventually) the power of a V8, the Economy of an F111, the reliability of a Lada Cevaro, and the paint blistering off your bonnet.

Modern TD fuel systems are so much more complicated than a petrol engines it's not funny. And when they go wrong they are massively more expensive to fix.

Petrol engines only have injectors and fuel pump, and I think only the 911 Turbo has used a variable geometry turbo in a petrol engine. No particulate filters or the rest of it.

Petrol engines are pretty simple in comparison.

jpd80 · 23-03-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Right, because petrol engines don’t have any of those things?
Turbo-charging engines isn’t new. I remember back in the 80’s when Ford dealers were turboing Falcons and LTD’s, claiming “The Power of a V8 with the Economy of a 6.”
Invariably what you got was (eventually) the power of a V8, the Economy of an F111, the reliability of a Lada Cevaro, and the paint blistering off your bonnet.

Or you could just compare just eight years of 5.4 XR8 versus XR6 Turbo.....

Crazy Dazz · 24-03-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Modern TD fuel systems are so much more complicated than a petrol engines it's not funny. And when they go wrong they are massively more expensive to fix.

Petrol engines only have injectors and fuel pump, and I think only the 911 Turbo has used a variable geometry turbo in a petrol engine. No particulate filters or the rest of it.

Petrol engines are pretty simple in comparison.

A BMW is massively more expensive to fix than a commode, does that make the commode a better car?
Turbo Diesels are based on proven technology that has been evolving for decades, whereas this latest batch of direct injected, turbo-whatsied, miller cycled, ultra-high compression, variable everything petrol engines seem to have been developed on the basis of throwing every possible new technology into an engine and waiting to see what breaks.
Furthermore, Diesel engines are typically designed for longevity from the ground up.

Crazy Dazz · 24-03-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Or you could just compare just eight years of 5.4 XR8 versus XR6 Turbo.....

Surely if my premise is that “turbocharging isn’t new”, then an earlier example is better?
Furthermore, since the turbo sixes of the 80’s were less powerful than today’s bog standard I6, my point relates to what happens when you consistently push a turbo hard.
That said, no, I don’t want to divert yet another thread into 20 pages of “an XR6T is better than an XR8 because I say so”…