2010 FG XR6 Write off, Questions. =( - Page 2

prydey · 22-03-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cobramania

Russ,
There is no new rule, & has never been a rule about giving way to your right on a roundabout.

nope, i'm with russ on this one. it is a change in the rules. 20yrs ago when i got my licence, the rule was, give way to those on the right. the rule is now as you state, but it was changed around 2006 i think. can't be sure.

to me, the rule now means exactly the same thing except worded differently. when approaching a roundabout, vehicles entering to your left will be gone before you get to them anyway unless they are a long vehicle, and no one in their right mind would drive into the side of a vehicle already there.

also, technically, if you collide with a car that entered to your left, given the distances travelled, unless one was travelling MUCH faster, the car on the right will always enter before the one on the left.

cobramania · 22-03-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

nope, i'm with russ on this one. it is a change in the rules. 20yrs ago when i got my licence, the rule was, give way to those on the right. the rule is now as you state, but it was changed around 2006 i think. can't be sure.

to me, the rule now means exactly the same thing except worded differently. when approaching a roundabout, vehicles entering to your left will be gone before you get to them anyway unless they are a long vehicle, and no one in their right mind would drive into the side of a vehicle already there.

also, technically, if you collide with a car that entered to your left, given the distances travelled, unless one was travelling MUCH faster, the car on the right will always enter before the one on the left.

The way I read what Russ said is, that the rules changed to now you have to give way to your Right (not correct), & reading the OP's situation, the taxi was speeding through the roundabout & turned into him, this would give cause to the OP being on the roundabout first & in front of the taxi, but the speed difference meant they ended up in the same spot at the same time. How they collided is the missing part that I can't figure, as the OP was past the first exit, was the taxi exiting the roundabout from the Right lane & the OP going straight through from the left lane? Given the speed difference the OP was likely ON the roundabout first & the taxi should've given way to him to avoid an accident, the OP may not have seen the taxi, but the taxi should've seen the OP if he was in front (as it seems).

Buntz · 22-03-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Monash Uni release results yearly on car crash statistics. Data has been collected on 4 million accidents over 30 years.

The FG Falcon is the safest car ever sold in Australia was the conclusion. Sounds like it most likely saved your life. I'd be buying another one if I were you

Why isn't that in the adds?

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

nope, i'm with russ on this one. it is a change in the rules. 20yrs ago when i got my licence, the rule was, give way to those on the right. the rule is now as you state, but it was changed around 2006 i think. can't be sure.

to me, the rule now means exactly the same thing except worded differently. when approaching a roundabout, vehicles entering to your left will be gone before you get to them anyway unless they are a long vehicle, and no one in their right mind would drive into the side of a vehicle already there.

also, technically, if you collide with a car that entered to your left, given the distances travelled, unless one was travelling MUCH faster, the car on the right will always enter before the one on the left.

Russ is incorrect, I went for my license two and a half years ago, the multiple teachers and instructors all claimed the round about is first in best dressed, it is rather more of a safety thing to give away to your right so that accidents are less likely to happen.

In this case the OP does sound like he is in the right, but pleading in the wrong will likely change this.

OLDFORDNUT · 23-03-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Russ is incorrect, I went for my license two and a half years ago, the multiple teachers and instructors all claimed the round about is first in best dressed, it is rather more of a safety thing to give away to your right so that accidents are less likely to happen.

In this case the OP does sound like he is in the right, but pleading in the wrong will likely change this.

While i agree Russ is incorrect,here in sunny QLD if you dont give way to right at roundabouts you will DIE,QLD'ers seem to treat them as a dont slow down ring if they see a car to there left approaching a roundabout they WILL generally accelerate and the older they are the more likely they are to drive like maniacs until they leave roundabout where they slow down to 10kmh under all posted speed limits.

aussie muscle · 23-03-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Honro

I had an accident 2 years ago in my BF XR6 Turbo. I hit a tree at 72kms while making the stupid mistake of trying to dodge a Kangaroo on a Highway (in hindsight i should of just hit it).

The DMG was huge, the motor was pretty much all rolled up. The dash in the car had rolled downwards and was pointing at my ankles. The steering wheel was all bent from my impact with it (so im told, i dont remember that bit). The car from the outside looked like you typical horse shoe from the impact on the front

When police arrived on the scene they refused to believe i was driving the car, as there was soo much dmg and where the dash was I "should either be dead, or have 2 broken legs". This resulted in a 6 week forensic investigation as i "was covering up for someone else". - Anyway thats another story to which i was innocent mind you lol.

The point is, my AIRBAGS did NOT go off either. I called Ford and they told me they would speak to my insurance company and "investigate". I did hear back from them almost 5 weeks later and i was told that from the pictures they received from NRMA it looked like where i had hit the tree (towards the inside of the headlight but not in the middle of the car) there is no airbag sensors!

Dunno how they build the BF / BA models, but thats one of the main contributing factors as to why Id never buy an aussie car again. But that is MY views.

so you crashed without airbags and were uninjured, yet you DON'T want to own a car like that? from your description, it sounds like a godsend that the airbags didn't deploy!

an airbag deployment is not a soft cushioning pillow. they deploy at the speed of sound and hit you like a steel fist. (often breaking noses). Airbags were designed for stupid yanks who refused to wear seatbelts.

BadMax · 23-03-2012, 12:01 PM

Answering the original question, no the airbags should not have deployed if there was a risk of hitting the dash or steering wheel the bags would have deployed. Don't be fooled to think airbags are nice, soft fluffy cushions, they are a violent explosion.
Whilst we're on the subject, anyone have passengers who love to put their feet on the dash, where an airbag may be? I bet no one here has the reaction time to avoid a crash that will fire off the airbags and your passenger will be wearing their ankles around thier ears...in a bad way! Broken legs and hips!

Unfortunately you have picked Suncorp to insure your car, it will be an ordeal for you. if you haven't listed your audio gear, you can remove it providing you replace it with the original gear. And no, they can not deny your claim for because of audio gear.
Now that I have mentioned that, pretty much no claim can be denied unless you are charged by Police.

The guy who said his claim was investigated. This is normal practice for any insurer when it is a single car accident.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDFORDNUT

While i agree Russ is incorrect,here in sunny QLD if you dont give way to right at roundabouts you will DIE,QLD'ers seem to treat them as a dont slow down ring if they see a car to there left approaching a roundabout they WILL generally accelerate and the older they are the more likely they are to drive like maniacs until they leave roundabout where they slow down to 10kmh under all posted speed limits.

Haha, I'm in Northern NSW, and it's no different, maybe some ex-queenslanders?

But yes, I can definitely say the older they are the more stupid stuff they pull off...

After almost being hit multiple times, seen multiple crashes and almost hitting people multiple times, without sounding like I'm never in fault, I now always wait to see what a car is doing, even if they are turning and I am free to go I wait until the car actually starts turning, people often have indicators on here and forget to turn them off or don't realize they are on, people also often don't use indicators...

It's a death trap waiting to happen here =\

And the worst of all old people who pull out without looking, or old people that dodge parked cars by driving on the other side of the road.

GTP534 · 23-03-2012, 12:32 PM

We have a roundabout here in Glenmore Park (NSW) which people on Glenmore Parkway treat as a racing track. The problem is they are to your right and that corner is a bit blind.

There might be a break in the traffic and it is clear to the right but once you move onto the roundabout some idiot comes flying in from your right! They horn you, probably in the mistaken belief that because they are entering from your right they have right of way.

For those who say older drivers are the worst I'm sorry to say the main offenders here are younger drivers, in particular aggressive P platers. The older drivers tend to be the opposite and very tentative to enter the roundabout.

The local Council should be putting in some measures such as those raised white strips to force the cars to slow down.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-03-2012, 12:47 PM

So by some of your 'interpretation' of the roundabout law, if someone is approaching the same roundabout on your right, at 60KM/h, you have right of way to pull out in front of them, because it's first in first served? LOL!! I hope i never meet some of you guys on the road. As someone said, the rule is the same, it's just making allowance for people turning right coming toward you as well, and from the left, not just the cars on your right.

It's the same way the right to bear arms is interpreted in the US constitution.

Do it in melbourne, and you'll either have someone punching your window in, or you'll be posting on this forum about your experience from the chiropractors.

Rules are simple, when approaching a roundabout, give way to all traffic approaching you from the right, straight ahead (if in intersection), or turning in front of you from the left (if in intersection). If you don't, you're asking for bent panels, and teeth.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-03-2012, 12:51 PM

anyway as far as the OP goes, you manned up for better or worse, good on you and i hope it's all sorted for you shortly.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

So by some of your 'interpretation' of the roundabout law, if someone is approaching the same roundabout on your right, at 60KM/h, you have right of way to pull out in front of them, because it's first in first served? LOL!! I hope i never meet some of you guys on the road. As someone said, the rule is the same, it's just making allowance for people turning right coming toward you as well, and from the left, not just the cars on your right.

It's the same way the right to bear arms is interpreted in the US constitution.

Do it in melbourne, and you'll either have someone punching your window in, or you'll be posting on this forum about your experience from the chiropractors.

Rules are simple, when approaching a roundabout, give way to all traffic approaching you from the right, straight ahead (if in intersection), or turning in front of you from the left (if in intersection). If you don't, you're asking for bent panels, and teeth.

Wow settle down there, haha.

I'm just stating what the rules are, I've never had any problems on the round about, to me the round about is a full respect type thing, give away to your right, if you have the space without cutting someone off who isn't speeding, you take it, if not you respect the guy to your right and let him go, if you quickly get onto the roundabout and someone is in front of you, you simply slow down so they get past, often here it's large 4WD's, trucks and bus's where this happens, I don't beep people, it puts people in angry moods or makes them panic, beeping is for warning not punishment.

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Originally Posted by GTP534

We have a roundabout here in Glenmore Park (NSW) which people on Glenmore Parkway treat as a racing track. The problem is they are to your right and that corner is a bit blind.

There might be a break in the traffic and it is clear to the right but once you move onto the roundabout some idiot comes flying in from your right! They horn you, probably in the mistaken belief that because they are entering from your right they have right of way.

For those who say older drivers are the worst I'm sorry to say the main offenders here are younger drivers, in particular aggressive P platers. The older drivers tend to be the opposite and very tentative to enter the roundabout.

The local Council should be putting in some measures such as those raised white strips to force the cars to slow down.

I don't want to direct my comments to ALL older drivers, but I can say with truth that 90% of really dangerous things and lack of observing and such has been from older people around the 65-90 mark in my case, including roundabouts.

But I know tonnes of P platers that do stupid stuff at roundabouts, I know a lot of P platers that do it because media gives them a bad image anyway, so they say stuff it, according to most P platers are stupid drivers I'll do it anyway.

Not sure why, because someone has to set an example.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-03-2012, 01:31 PM

i don't need to settle down? i'm just stating it how it is.

theory can be interpreted or construed in any direction, unless you study it carefully. Roundabouts have operated the way i mentioned for decades and will continue to do so. Of course you take an opportunity when it's presented, that's also the way it works, especially in peak hour. However as a general rule, you do not pull out infront of someone already there.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

i don't need to settle down? i'm just stating it how it is.

theory can be interpreted or construed in any direction, unless you study it carefully. Roundabouts have operated the way i mentioned for decades and will continue to do so. Of course you take an opportunity when it's presented, that's also the way it works, especially in peak hour. However as a general rule, you do not pull out infront of someone already there.

I meant settle down, you'd be fine meeting me on a roundabout.

But yeah that's how I've always done it, you get the occasional issue where you see someone cutting the traffic from your right side, and you can go but someone has already entered the roundabout without you seeing them as they are behind that car "cutting" the traffic and they get angry at you for it.

WPR1 · 23-03-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie muscle

so you crashed without airbags and were uninjured, yet you DON'T want to own a car like that? from your description, it sounds like a godsend that the airbags didn't deploy!

an airbag deployment is not a soft cushioning pillow. they deploy at the speed of sound and hit you like a steel fist. (often breaking noses). Airbags were designed for stupid yanks who refused to wear seatbelts.

I would be thanking my lucky stars too and buying another one as fast as I could. I hope you are as lucky next time with your non-Aussie built car!

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WPR1

I would be thanking my lucky stars too and buying another one as fast as I could. I hope you are as lucky next time with your non-Aussie built car!

Unless he goes old American muscle made of complete steel, I'm pretty sure not many cars out there are safe internationally.

P6LTD351 · 23-03-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Unless he goes old American muscle made of complete steel, I'm pretty sure not many cars out there are safe internationally.

What?

If I'm interpreting you right (and I may be interpreting you wrong), those old American muscle cars are NOWHERE near as same as modern cars. "Complete Steel"? OMG. They are death traps. Modern cars are exponentially safer than older "steel" cars and that's a fact.

It reminds me of someone I overheard at All Ford Day a couple of weeks ago. They were saying how the old car were built stronger and are much safer; not like the plastic of today. I had to interject and educate the man. I was shocked that people still hold this opinion?

I love both American and Aussie muscle and would love to add one to my stable, but to say they are safer is wrong.

**GasoLane** · 23-03-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

However as a general rule, you do not pull out infront of someone already there.

A little like stepping onto a pedestrian crossing in front of a Bus.....

At least you'll die knowing you had right of way

K93George · 23-03-2012, 04:57 PM

Hey guys, a little update on it all. It isn't going as easy as I thought it would.

It was going well untill yesterday and today. I rang and they said that the car had been "initially assessed" and it is swaying towards a write off. I had then asked for it to be sent back to my town so I could take out my stereo.

Well, it did come to my town to be assessed again! It then got sent out just as quick. (I never got the chance to get my stereo, I wasn't even informed it had come back) They said it "it has been assessed and is swaying towards a write off, we will need to draw a final verdict and be back to you by Wednesday."

I spoke with the assessment team and was told the same. Fast forward to now, and it has been sent for a third assessment to Pickels(?) Assessment Team, so I ring them and they tell me that my car was recieved on the 18th but has not been looked at and it will be up to 8 days before it is even looked at.

I then ring AAMI, I am told that it hasn't been assessed yet and that the word is over used. So I ask who "assessed" it the first 2 times, they tell me the towing company did and they said it was a write off. I was also told they rely heavily on the towing company's word on determining a write off. So I asked why are they assessing it again, they say they want to be sure it is a write off.

I think they are trying to find someone who will say it is repairable... So gentlemen, I continue to wait for a verdict on this.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-03-2012, 05:00 PM

the path of righteousness rodge

K93George · 23-03-2012, 05:19 PM

I don't quite understand what you mean by "the path of righteousness rodge"?

I am not too phased by all this, all I know is, if I respected my car before it is going to get more respect then my own father now! And it will stay clear of taxi's. I might install a taxi radar or something haha.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

What?

If I'm interpreting you right (and I may be interpreting you wrong), those old American muscle cars are NOWHERE near as same as modern cars. "Complete Steel"? OMG. They are death traps. Modern cars are exponentially safer than older "steel" cars and that's a fact.

It reminds me of someone I overheard at All Ford Day a couple of weeks ago. They were saying how the old car were built stronger and are much safer; not like the plastic of today. I had to interject and educate the man. I was shocked that people still hold this opinion?

I love both American and Aussie muscle and would love to add one to my stable, but to say they are safer is wrong.

Whoops I'll fix that >.<

"Useless if he goes old American muscle made of complete steel and I'm pretty sure not many cars out there are safe internationally compared to the FG."

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-03-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K93George

I don't quite understand what you mean by "the path of righteousness rodge"?

I am not too phased by all this, all I know is, if I respected my car before it is going to get more respect then my own father now! And it will stay clear of taxi's. I might install a taxi radar or something haha.

I was replying to Gasolane mate

BadMax · 23-03-2012, 08:05 PM

AAMI at their best. This is just the beggining for you.
Yes, they will keep asking around until someone wants to repair it, just keep the pressure on them.

K93George · 03-04-2012, 09:54 PM

As I promised, the photos!

I am not too sure why the back is damaged like that, I believe I was hit on the front quater panel.

K93George · 03-04-2012, 09:55 PM

Another pic of the rear, on this shot you can see the chassis is bent quite bad near the front.

K93George · 03-04-2012, 09:57 PM

A pic of the front, here you can see where I was hit and where I ploughed into a give way sign.

K93George · 03-04-2012, 09:57 PM

The final pic I have, you can see how the tyre has taken a lot of the impact.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-04-2012, 10:35 PM

So whats the verdict?

Has the rear damage happened while in AAMI's possession.?? More reason to tell them you want a cheque or a new car.

phillyc · 03-04-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

So whats the verdict?

Has the rear damaged happened while in AAMI's possession.?? More reason to tell them you want a cheque or a new car.

I'm with you on this. Looks like in 'shopping about' for a repairer AAMI has further damaged your vehicle.

Did you have photos taken at the scene to compare?