Ford & Holden Police cars put on dyno

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Ratmac

All the police cars are auto therefore the SS will be 260Kw.

So the difference is 11 kW, a win to the XR6 but not a huge difference.

D'oh, I forgot about AFM

[DJM83]

Agreed but neither does the RWHP of a HWP car, i doubt they were there to get a reading....

[devilcv8]

My stock VE SS ute A6 pRe AFM so 270kw, pulled 220 rwkw when it had 30,000km and that was running E10, although that tank may have been 98. Currently have 233000km and still stock and drives the same.

That SS reading for the cop was very low.

[STINKY NINJA]

Hp figures aside its good to see coppers chucking their cars on a dyno for a laugh.
I would love to see the same cars then have a drag race on the same day and see who comes out in front cough turbo cough

[Phil B]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Hp figures aside its good to see coppers chucking their cars on a dyno for a laugh.
I would love to see the same cars then have a drag race on the same day and see who comes out in front cough turbo cough

This is the main thing that stands out to me. Police involved in a good, constructive way with a car enthusiast event.
Sure beats them sitting out the front defecting everyone coming in.

Lets hope for more positive (rather than negative) Police involvement in the future!

[prasac]

Rigoli's dyno reads true, we tune there and everytime it's come off the dyno, the track showed the same power.

we made 878rwhp yesterday, if you input all the data on a 1/4 mile calculator the car show's it's making around 1170hp @ the motor. a Powerglide gearbox is said to lose around 25-30% in drivetain so the numbers add up.

it was great to see the Police there, it was a positive spin compared to what you normally hear. it was quite funny actually, we pulled in, reversed into our reserved spot a couple minutes later the Policeman arrived, a low 8-sec street car and a cop car parked next to each other, most would be quaking in their boots he just had a look, gave a nod and that was it.

over the course of the day, the event was attended by well over 1000 people and 100's of cars would have been in the area, 99% of those cars would have been modified legally or illegally in some way, but, noone got harassed at or near the event that we know about.

[ebv8]

a mates stock VE E3 clubby made 250rwhp (186rwkw) and after $7000 worth of tune and exhaust it made 300rwhp thats only only 223rwkw
for something that has a 317kw badge fitted its pretty sad

now i'd love to see the cops at track days like speed off the streets so we can race a cop for real....

[FGII-XR6]

as I said before both cars were run on the same dyno the XR6T flogged the SS and the comparison between the 2 was valid even if the dyno was reading low for some reason as it would have read equally low on both cars. lets face it a falcon 6 can eat an SS V8 for breakfast , ford have been criticised for not having a main stream V8 ( not an FPV) this shows why , they don't need one. ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy

Originally Posted by devilcv8

My stock VE SS ute A6 pRe AFM so 270kw, pulled 220 rwkw when it had 30,000km and that was running E10, although that tank may have been 98. Currently have 233000km and still stock and drives the same.

That SS reading for the cop was very low.

[Motorbreath310]

Saw this mentioned on faceache. Loved reading all the comments from people stating how their modified crappers would outrun the police XR6t's and that Falcons can't put their power to the ground because of chassis flex and wheelspin and their weight etc.

Actually, I tell a lie. I didn't love reading that at all. Most WRX owners would destroy their clutches quicker than they can say "I'll text my cousins after I finish this kebab" if they tried getting off the line as quick as a ZF-equipped XR6t.

[Professor Farnsworth]

i disagree ;)

Firstly you won't get 6cyl economy if you're hosing a VE SS. Secondly if they dropped even a slightly detuned blown 5L in an XR8 shell similar to the GS but Ford badged and different spec, it'd be a perfect accompaniment to the XR6t. It's more money than anything that is stopping them from having more options.

Originally Posted by au3xr6

as I said before both cars were run on the same dyno the XR6T flogged the SS and the comparison between the 2 was valid even if the dyno was reading low for some reason as it would have read equally low on both cars. lets face it a falcon 6 can eat an SS V8 for breakfast , ford have been criticised for not having a main stream V8 ( not an FPV) this shows why , they don't need one. ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Loved reading all the comments from people stating how their modified crappers would outrun the police XR6t's.

Can't outrun a radio. Or a Police Helicopter...

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Firstly you won't get 6cyl economy if you're hosing a VE SS.

Null point, thrash a N/A 6 cylinder car and the economy won't be pretty either. XR6Ts get great economy even when you're on boost a fair bit.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Null point, thrash a N/A 6 cylinder car and the economy won't be pretty either. XR6Ts get great economy even when you're on boost a fair bit.

uhh, so you're trying to tell me an NA 6 will get the same a forced 6 at full swing? don't think so. The point is not null at all. I'm comparing full throttle to full throttle, not every day driving.

you have a t and an NA right? let's go to the track and test them head to head!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

uhh, so you're trying to tell me an NA 6 will get the same a forced 6 at full swing? don't think so. The point is not null at all. I'm comparing full throttle to full throttle, not every day driving.

you have a t and an NA right? let's go to the track and test them head to head!

No, I'm saying you shot down the quote "ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy" with saying that at wide open throttle the turbo's economy won't be good. I'm saying it applies to all cars. Because yes, XR6Ts do get 6 cyl economy (indeed I have both), but once you start flooring them, economy goes out the window so it's a null point. When I thrash the N/A it will climb into the 18s.

[FGII-XR6]

but most people don't drive at full throttle all the time so you get 6 cyl economy most of the time and it only drinks when you give it the occasional big boot full so it's win win

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

uhh, so you're trying to tell me an NA 6 will get the same a forced 6 at full swing? don't think so. The point is not null at all. I'm comparing full throttle to full throttle, not every day driving.

you have a t and an NA right? let's go to the track and test them head to head!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

but most people don't drive at full throttle all the time so you get 6 cyl economy most of the time and it only drinks when you give it the occasional big boot full so it's win win

Exactly, I drive mine around every day, I give it the beans quite regularly, yet the average economy sits around 11l/100km.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

No, I'm saying you shot down the quote "ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy" with saying that at wide open throttle the turbo's economy won't be good. I'm saying it applies to all cars. Because yes, XR6Ts do get 6 cyl economy (indeed I have both), but once you start flooring them, economy goes out the window so it's a null point. When I thrash the N/A it will climb into the 18s.

Originally Posted by au3xr6

but most people don't drive at full throttle all the time so you get 6 cyl economy most of the time and it only drinks when you give it the occasional big boot full so it's win win

fair enough, but i never shot down the point they have a v8 (LS at least) killer, i'm a big advocate of the turbo 6. I was just comparing apples to apples. That when you say it's a v8 killer, it stands to reason that you need to floor it for that to happen (most of the time). Nothing more than that.

i couldn't be happier with the current lineup of Ford engines, it's more the application of those engines that frustrates me and is making me look at evil alternatives to get my "Fairmont Ghia V8" so to speak as i'm looking to buy new again.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Exactly, I drive mine around every day, I give it the beans quite regularly, yet the average economy sits around 11l/100km.

My BF ZF NA XR6 never even got 11 on a babying competition day in the suburbs, are you outer-sydney?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

My BF ZF NA XR6 never even got 11 on a babying competition day in the suburbs, are you outer-sydney?

No, I do however use the motorway frequently. But even around town if you are being gentle it will easily return 11s. On the highway instant economy sits around 7-8. Ford have done a stellar job on FG. The XR6T (on average) actually gets better economy than the N/A which is amazing to me. It's because with its mountain of torque it takes absolutely no effort to get the thing moving.

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

fair enough, but i never shot down the point they have a v8 (LS at least) killer, i'm a big advocate of the turbo 6. I was just comparing apples to apples. That when you say it's a v8 killer, it stands to reason that you need to floor it for that to happen (most of the time). Nothing more than that.

My point is you can't base a car's fuel economy on the 10 seconds of wide open throttle it takes to smoke an SS. Because I do regularly give it hits, but it doesn't affect the average economy.

[Kingsley]

I'm just stoked an XR6T is proven to to have more power than a SS!!!

[Professor Farnsworth]

fair enough, seems a much improved fuel map over the BF

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

My point is you can't base a car's fuel economy on the 10 seconds of wide open throttle it takes to smoke an SS. Because I do regularly give it hits, but it doesn't affect the average economy.

haha i'm not mate! like i said if you're talking 'smoking an SS' then it'll drink like a fish.. if the SS and XRt are both pacing one another on a freeway at 110, or not competing in the slightest, then yes you'll get your 6cyl economy.

[vevapower]

My car last year made 11 more rwkws on Rigoli's dyno than it did on Joe's (CMS) so i'd say it a very true dyno. This year unfortunatley I think the ramp rate was a bit slow and my rears were frying and cost me as much as 30 - 40 rwkws. But yeah it was a cracker day and heaps of people.

Also good to finally catch up with you Paul and have a good chin wag!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

haha i'm not mate! like i said if you're talking 'smoking an SS' then it'll drink like a fish.. if the SS and XRt are both pacing one another on a freeway at 110, or not competing in the slightest, then yes you'll get your 6cyl economy.

I think it comes down to the fact that you've misinterpreted au3xr6's post- "ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy".

What he said is exactly right. It gets 6 cyl economy. It has V8 killing performance when you want it. You seemed to fuse them together, as if to say "6 cyl economy whilst racing a V8". In any case, I could happily go out tonight, race a few SSVs and come home with the average economy at 11 or 12l/100km. 6 cyl economy, V8 smoking performance

[Professor Farnsworth]

...lol

the issue with the internet is not everyone understands one another 100% all the time. Unfortunately you and i never seem to be able to communicate properly.. my comment was simply a passing comment, one which you're still not understanding the way it was intended. We both essentially agree with each other.

No hard feelings, moving on.

[prasac]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Also good to finally catch up with you Paul and have a good chin wag!

you too Matt.

[Lukeyson]

I know its like beating a dead horse, but Ford need to make another awesome tv ad like in the BA days with that XR6t, the "can't get enough of this" ad.
I am not a 6 cyl fan, but that ad made me want one... lol
But the FG XR6t is a great car !

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I think it comes down to the fact that you've misinterpreted au3xr6's post- "ford should be proud of this effort V8 killing performance and 6Cyl economy".

What he said is exactly right. It gets 6 cyl economy. It has V8 killing performance when you want it. You seemed to fuse them together, as if to say "6 cyl economy whilst racing a V8". In any case, I could happily go out tonight, race a few SSVs and come home with the average economy at 11 or 12l/100km. 6 cyl economy, V8 smoking performance

Too the G6et to Willowbank last week. Few runs at the track, ran a 12.9. Ran against a new M3 that ran a 13.0. Ran some V8 commies running 14's. Still had y baby seats and the rest of the crap in it, including spare.
And still got 620km to the tank, and the average KM is around 49.......

So yes, V8 killing performance with 6 cylinder fuel consumption....

[Professor Farnsworth]

did you compare how much fuel you each used at full throttle for 400 metres?

like i said many times already, I AGREE that it's far better on fuel than a v8 if you're just trundling around town on cruising on the highway. My point was that if you compare the 'claim' part of the statement as in 'v8 killer' then when you're both going full tilt the economy is going to be nothing to write home about.

i hope it can be understood now.

[Dash_XR]

My standard 08 made 17rwkws more (with allot better fuel economy) then a mates 2012 SS, both manuals.

I would say this would probably be the norm. Good to see the police getting involved too, if it was in Vic they would be out the front with the EPA.

[Cheech]

Would the stock 10% overboost feature kick in on the dyno ?
And is this overboost feature counted in the 270kw rated engine ?

If so this could also be added in to account for the difference.