Define Timewaster when buying / selling a car!

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by T-Pak Addict

Do we ever buy the first car we see? Well I haven't... Except our latest purchase anyway but usually we have a good look around, test drive a few and then go back to the one that felt right, ticked all the boxes etc etc. So was I a time waster? Not to the owner I bought the car from but to the others I was, but I always say I have a few others to look at.

When buying our latest purchase I short listed the cars that I wanted to look at (looking for a 7 Seater Territory). Now there are plenty of 5 seaters but 7 seaters are a rare breed here in SA.. I initially got 14 hits and it got narrowed down to 4 rather quickly as we wanted a TS or Ghia with reasonable kays. It got narrowed down to 2 just on Kays alone. A 2008 TS or a 2005 Ghia both same kays but the 2008 was only a grand dearer. Added in was the 2008 had the extra airbags (this is carrying the family around) it was a no brainer...

Buying a used BA/BF/FG would be a nightmare..... I would be wasting a lot of people's time and my own looking for the right one....

Unless you tell the owner you are interested or want to buy the car i wouldnt call you a timewaster,you have to test drive cars,its how you convey your thoughts to the seller after said test drive which then brings in the timewasting part.

[T-Pak Addict]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Timewasters can also be defined as people who are selling cars who dont accurately describe the cars they are selling over the phone,you drive 50km to go look at said car to find out it a rusty piece of dented up dog poop...

Oh that just gives me the.....

Has happened a few times and its usually when you have to travel the other side of the city to have a look....

I love the use of
"fair condition for its age"
"It drives really well"
"has a little bit of rust, size of a 5c piece in the rear quarter"

Recently sold a AU Xcab and as its new owner was checking it out said well you didn't lie in the advert.... Well why lie? My ad was a cracker too... He thought it was hilarious.. and yes he bought it...

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by T-Pak Addict

why lie?

So you can go onto Australian Ford Forums and complain about tyrekickers not buying your hektik car, that you're apparently giving away.

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

So you can go onto Australian Ford Forums and complain about tyrekickers not buying your hektik car, that you're apparently giving away.

If you had read the post properly you would know that he sold the ute in question... he wasnt complaining about people not buying it,just having a laugh about how honest he was about the condition of the ute,so your post makes no sense whatsoever and some fool liked your post so hes just as helpful as you...

[BENT_8]

I've bought and sold many cars over the years and it cuts both ways.

I find that the term 'no time wasters' is used in 2 situations mainly.

1, The car is as is priced accordingly, often at the cheaper end of the scale and the owner just wants it gone.

2, The car is priced well above where it is at, isn't as immaculate as is let on and upon inspection, is turned down or being considered leading to the owner feeling insulted that the next guy doesn't hold his precious quite so.
He prefers to scare off anyone who may not roll up prepared to pay full tote odds, or mention its shortfalls.

I had a good experience last week with a dealer.

He had an 01 TJ VRX on his lot for 6k, I had $5k to play with, no trade.
I asked him what his bottom dollar was as I couldn't be bothered waiting while they dug it out to test driving it if we weren't on the same page.
He looked at what it owed him, met my price and we shook hands, the test drive was as expected of a well cared for, well documented vehicle.

He shook my hand, thanked me for my 'straight to the point' approach and asked me to come back anytime.

Car buying/selling doesn't have to be hard if you have a reasonable idea of what something is worth.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I've bought and sold many cars over the years and it cuts both ways.

I find that the term 'no time wasters' is used in 2 situations mainly.

1, The car is as is priced accordingly, often at the cheaper end of the scale and the owner just wants it gone.

2, The car is priced well above where it is at, isn't as immaculate as is let on and upon inspection, is turned down or being considered leading to the owner feeling insulted that the next guy doesn't hold his precious quite so.
He prefers to scare off anyone who may not roll up prepared to pay full tote odds, or mention its shortfalls.

I had a good experience last week with a dealer.

He had an 01 TJ VRX on his lot for 6k, I had $5k to play with, no trade.
I asked him what his bottom dollar was as I couldn't be bothered waiting while they dug it out to test driving it if we weren't on the same page.
He looked at what it owed him, met my price and we shook hands, the test drive was as expected of a well cared for, well documented vehicle.

He shook my hand, thanked me for my 'straight to the point' approach and asked me to come back anytime.

Car buying/selling doesn't have to be hard if you have a reasonable idea of what something is worth.

Of course he was nice to you and shook your hand. You just gave him $5k for a 12 year old Magna.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

If you had read the post properly you would know that he sold the ute in question...

I know. I wasn't saying that T-pak did/would falsely advertise something. My comment was a joking reference as to what happens if you lie in your ads. That's why two people liked it. Settle down a bit and stop looking for people to jump on.

[T-Pak Addict]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

My comment was a joking reference as to what happens if you lie in your ads. That's why two people liked it. Settle down a bit and stop looking for people to jump on.

^^^^^^^^
What he said

[ebv8]

I had a time waster when I was selling my VH wagon, had a guy look, agree on price, worked out a time to get car trailer and hire a ute to tow it, day before he tried to renegotiate on price i said you already agreed to a price and he said ok, day of pickup.....no show then a phone call saying his cat is sick and needs the money to fix it.
I had already put off 2 other potential buyers in the mean time saying it was sold and the guy will pick up in 2 weeks.
i should have asked for a deposit

[flappist]

No time wasters.......

A lesson in selling.

Some years ago one of my businesses ran mostly on weekends and after hours. I sold "sporting equipments" of the type that really upsets sooks and wowsers.

Usually Saturdays were fairly busy. I had one guy who turned up Saturday after Saturday asking questions about different stuff spending sometines several hours.
He never annoyed me while I was busy and would just stand at the back of the shop until it was empty then want to handle the equipment or ask all sorts of weird question about the interaction of various components.
I just kept answering his questions as there was not much else to do while I waited for other customers.
Then one day he turned up with a mate and instead of asking questions dropped a bucket of money on the counter and said "I want that, that, that, a couple of theose etc." that was well over $10k between them.
He then thanked me for answering all his questions as he had been to many other shops and had been ignored and treated as a time waster.

The moral of the story is "You have no idea who will buy and who will not".

If you are selling a car then get out and sell it. If you do not want to talk to people then give it to someone else to sell.
If you think you are too important or your car is to good for you to have to actually deal with people then look in the middle of the windscreen towards the top as there is a picture of an idiot there......

[H.G]

I've done exactly what flappist described in his last post.. For three months I was at this 4x4 shop, looking,learning, asking and basically getting to kno everyone's opinions. I find if I get as many opinions as possible I can come up with my own based on what I perceive to be fact. Anyway long story short..
In 1 purchase I spent 9k. On lift lockers gears flares steering components wheeled tyres etc etc.. I don't feel I wasted their time.. And due to their patience and quality of advice I had and still have, no issue buying through this company for anything 4x4

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Of course he was nice to you and shook your hand. You just gave him $5k for a 12 year old Magna.

Lol, I was waiting for that, so predictable 'round here.

With all due respect, a VRX is more than just a Magna.
It is of the same ilk as XR6 VCT was to Ford and S/C Commodore 'S' is to Holden, albeit quicker than either and cheaper to run.

5k may seem a lot for a 12 year old car, but when you weigh up its condition compared to BA/F's XT or Futura's of similar coin it was the best car available in Adelaide by far, I know, I spent weeks looking.
The yard across the road had the same car in silver, 5sp auto on gas with 210k's for the same coin, I drove it, it was a dog and the silver had gone off.
I have never shied away from paying top dollar for good examples of any car.

If you can show me where I can get equal performance and looks for less in SA, please post a link.
It must be manual, quickest in its class, sub 160k's with full service history, body kit, in the best colour available and within 300k of Adelaide...

[BENT_8]

With all due respects to HG and Flappist, both of those scenarios are within retail outlets, your being paid to stand there answering questions.
As Flappist said, there was nothing else to do but wait for the next customers.

When selling a car I wouldn't stand round day after day answering questions on the off chance that they bought it.
I believe if something is presented well and priced right it will sell itself if given the right exposure.

[2011G6E]

I would give it two definitions, depending on what happens to the seller...

First: someone who merely wants to take it for a test drive or has no intention of buying whatsoever.
Second: someone who doesn't agree immediately to buy your pride and joy.

I would say that, truthfully, all of us are "tyre kickers"...who here has actually turned up to inspect a car for sale and already had thier mind made up that they will buy it, no questions asked, no further consideration taken into account, no matter what little things you turn up in a close inspection/test drive?
Of course you don't...you go and "tyre kick", or "time waste" if you will...you ring up with a series of questions, you look around and research, you go and actually view the thing closely, you maybe ask for a test drive...but very very rarely will you make up your mind that very second...it's usually a couple of days later that you decide to buy.

I will admit that my Celica was a "love at first sight" deal, and I bought it on the spot...but not until after a careful test drive and thorough going over. However, leading up to that, I had asked a lot of questions via email, I had talked to the owner on the phone a few times, and even when I went to see it and had the money in my pocket, I still was prepared to walk away if it wasn't what I expected...I'd done it in the previous weeks to other cars in my search, like a modified RX7 and other similar cars.

As a buyer, you have to be prepared to walk away if a car isn't quite what you expected when you see it in real life...and as a seller, you have to accept that someone who has been taking up a lot of your time with questions and emails might just decide the car isn't what they are after when they finally see it or come back from a test drive. That's life.

I have actually seen adverts...mostly to do with motorbikes, but with some cars too...in magazines and online for sale adverts, that they will not give test drives/rides unless you agree to buy the vehicle there and then...one memorable advert even wanted a substantial deposit to be even allowed to see the bike...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

With all due respects to HG and Flappist, both of those scenarios are within retail outlets, your being paid to stand there answering questions.
As Flappist said, there was nothing else to do but wait for the next customers.

When selling a car I wouldn't stand round day after day answering questions on the off chance that they bought it.
I believe if something is presented well and priced right it will sell itself if given the right exposure.

No actually that was in a shed next to my house. There was plenty to do around the house but I wanted to sell thing and make money. It was a hobby gone bezerk.

Your beliefs are exactly why many complain that they can't sell their car.
Obviously you think you are too important or your car is too good......

If you were right then car yards would just need a girl in the office to fill out the paperwork and not have a mob of very expensive people out there selling.
Why do you think "retail outlets" pay wages to people instead of just have a few brochures?

But getting back to the topic. There are no such thing as time wasters as each encounter is a learning experience......

[Kieron]

Many years ago, I had plenty of 'timewasters' coming around looking at my 68 Mustang GT. The would come, test drive it (I always went with them) and pick my brain on my particular car and general Mustang knowledge for over 2 hours in some cases.

Wasted a lot of my time including one guy who knew I was taking my kids out but continued, causing me to cancel the trip but I still never added 'no timewasters' to the ad. The guy who eventually bought it also spent a lot of time talking to me and later thanked me as well as saying I was by far the most up front/knowledgeable seller he spoke too which tipped the sale, so sometimes it pays

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by flappist

No actually that was in a shed next to my house. There was plenty to do around the house but I wanted to sell thing and make money. It was a hobby gone bezerk.

Your beliefs are exactly why many complain that they can't sell their car.
Obviously you think you are too important or your car is too good......

If you were right then car yards would just need a girl in the office to fill out the paperwork and not have a mob of very expensive people out there selling.
Why do you think "retail outlets" pay wages to people instead of just have a few brochures?

But getting back to the topic. There are no such thing as time wasters as each encounter is a learning experience......

What on earth are you on about, you seem very aggressive for what was a perfectly reasonable response.
You said it was one of your businesses, these often pay you a return so yes, you may see it as a hobby, but you were operating a business and acting as the salesman, You even said you had nothing else to do but waiy for the next customer... wheres the issue, really.

As for the rest, I have bought and sold many cars in my time, worked in dealerships and independent yards alike.
I have never felt the need to post 'no time wasters' in any ads, nor do I think any of my cars were too good for someone or that my time was too precious.

I simply said that I wouldn't take up my personal family time continually showing the same car to the same person week after week, no one would.

I would have no problem inviting a potential buyer around, taking them for a test drive, answering questions and negotiating a deal, or even having an independent inspection done. Hell, i'll even refrain from running it prior to their arrival so they get to see it started under cold start up conditions, not warmed up to hide any oil pressure issues etc.
They can even go and think about it for a few days, no drama.
But if they ring back and want another drive it would be at my discretion and with the expectation that they are serious subject to final inspection.

As a owner making a private sale I have that right, I cant see the issue.

Im not having a shot at your story or method of operating your business, froma retail perspective it is thorough, i'm simply pointing out that a business type scenario is different to a private sale in many ways.
Salesmen must make targets to cover overheads and keep their jobs in many cases, private sellers are just on selling a personal item.

[2011G6E]

Your time...to be brutally honest...is worth nothing when you are selling a car or bike.
The only time I would classify it as a "waste" is if someone expects you to come home early from work or something and then doesn't turn up without a good reason or it becomes abundantly clear that they have no intention of buying.

However, if you have something valuable or desirable or that you just really want gone, then it's your "job"...and an unpaid job at that...to stand around and try and "sell" your vehicle to any prospective buyer who walks up. You have no idea if that scruffy looking bugger who keeps dropping by every few days with a different question or to check something else hasn't got a fat wad of hundreds in his back pocket.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Your time...to be brutally honest...is worth nothing when you are selling a car or bike.
The only time I would classify it as a "waste" is if someone expects you to come home early from work or something and then doesn't turn up without a good reason or it becomes abundantly clear that they have no intention of buying.

However, if you have something valuable or desirable or that you just really want gone, then it's your "job"...and an unpaid job at that...to stand around and try and "sell" your vehicle to any prospective buyer who walks up. You have no idea if that scruffy looking bugger who keeps dropping by every few days with a different question or to check something else hasn't got a fat wad of hundreds in his back pocket.

If it was valuable, rare and/or priced right to move quickly it wouldn't be there on his second visit.

[noflac52]

How about this!

A forum member posted that he had been dudded by two other members who sold him engine blocks that were supposed to be rebuildable but on inspection after purchase he found that they were no good for his purpose and described them as only useful as boat anchors.

I saw the post and wanting an engine block to dummy fit to my project car before purchasing the real engine I emailed him with an offer of $100 for one of them, which I considered a pretty good offer for something that was almost useless.

I felt for the guy being ripped off and thought it would give him some of his money back and it was convenient for me at the time. They are worth about $2.50 as scrap.
He emailed back saying that he would take no less than $150 which I declined and explained that I thought it might help both of us a little as he'd been stung and it was only convenience for me, it wasn't something that I really needed. Then he emailed me playing hard ball and saying that even boat anchors are worth money today and I replied that, "not to me they weren't. Thanks but no thanks!"

A couple of days later he emails me with an ultimatum that he would accept $100 but it had to be cash and I had to pick up the engine block and have it out of his garage by a certain time on Saturday.
I replied that I thought the whole thing had gone sour and wasn't to going to be doing the deal on an ultimatum from him when the first offer I made was for far more than what the engine was worth to begin with.

I didn't buy it and the only thing I learnt from it was that I shouldn't have made the offer in the first place so what I learnt wasn't worth anything either so it was a total waste of time all round.

So who was the time waster here? Me for making the offer and wasting my own time? Or him for playing hard ball to get a few extra bucks for something he described himself as worthless?

What a total waste of time. Why does something that should be easy become so difficult? LOL!!!!

[BENT_8]

I too had an interesting experience with a member.

I enquired about his AU2? XR6 manual, asked of its condition and so on.
I was told it was good, fairly tidy and at $5K from memory was a good deal.

So off I go, all the way down south about an hour and a half drive.
When I got there I didn't even want to get out of my car.

The boot spoiler had no ends on it, the front bar was damaged as was the elusive Tickford headlight support bracket and light.
The paint was scratched and banged up, the clutch was stiff and felt awful.
I test drove it, but honestly, I was standing there looking at this next to my mint AU2SR on gas which cost me $6k 2 years earlier thinking, nah, not even.

I respectfully decided against the car and went on my way.

So who wasted who's time, did I waste his time while he waited for me to travel half way across Adelaide and then not buy it, or did he waste my time by describing it as something it wasn't...

Personally I believe neither, he had an idea of what his car was, for the money it differed to mine, neither of us knew until we crossed paths, that's business.

Fwiw, I picked up a 99 AU1 XR6 with full kit inc. biplane spoiler on gas for $4k with less k's and although in need of a good wash and cut it had great potential.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If it was valuable, rare and/or priced right to move quickly it wouldn't be there on his second visit.

Don't be too sure about that...especially not these days.

Many years ago, if you had something rare or desirable, a buyer would have to take time to find out stuff about it...for example, he would have to ring people up, or physically go and visit experts on the vehicle. You would have to go to a library, look in magazines, try and track down people who knew what they were talking about. However, he wouldn't have to spend long, as there were a limited number of places to look.

Now we have the wonderful world of the interweb...and the myriad morons that inhabit its every recess, all posing as "experts" or "the definitive authority" on whatever it is you are looking at. The problem being, in "the old days", a prospective buyer looking for information might come across one or two different opinions on something...but now he has the convenience of hundreds of different opinions, all speaking with absolute authority on the subject.

Not to mention the availability of extremely high quality copies of parts which enable even Joe Average to build an extremely high quality replica in his backyard shed, when in years past it would take a genius a long time to build a passable fake that would fool most people.

No wonder people take their r time on a purchase and walk away if something doesn't smell even a little bit right...

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Don't be too sure about that...especially not these days.

Many years ago, if you had something rare or desirable, a buyer would have to take time to find out stuff about it...for example, he would have to ring people up, or physically go and visit experts on the vehicle. You would have to go to a library, look in magazines, try and track down people who knew what they were talking about. However, he wouldn't have to spend long, as there were a limited number of places to look.

Now we have the wonderful world of the interweb...and the myriad morons that inhabit its every recess, all posing as "experts" or "the definitive authority" on whatever it is you are looking at. The problem being, in "the old days", a prospective buyer looking for information might come across one or two different opinions on something...but now he has the convenience of hundreds of different opinions, all speaking with absolute authority on the subject.

Not to mention the availability of extremely high quality copies of parts which enable even Joe Average to build an extremely high quality replica in his backyard shed, when in years past it would take a genius a long time to build a passable fake that would fool most people.

No wonder people take their r time on a purchase and walk away if something doesn't smell even a little bit right...

Riiight, cos GTHO's and XU1 Bathurst pack Torana's show up on Gumtree or in car yards on a regular basis.
You are talking about a very niche market, like buying expensive cars, there is a different set of rules to play by.

If I was buying a desirable and it was priced right I would do my homework and make my move.
If anything todays www. era has opened up the possibilities far greater than before.
The old saying in a car yard goes something like...

'The car you saw today and will think about tonight will be bought by the guy who looked at it yesterday and thought about it last night'

In this case, there is merit in that.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Riiight, cos GTHO's and XU1 Bathurst pack Torana's show up on Gumtree or in car yards on a regular basis.
You are talking about a very niche market, like buying expensive cars, there is a different set of rules to play by.

If I was buying a desirable and it was priced right I would do my homework and make my move.
If anything todays www. era has opened up the possibilities far greater than before.
The old saying in a car yard goes something like...

'The car you saw today and will think about tonight will be bought by the guy who looked at it yesterday and thought about it last night'

In this case, there is merit in that.

I meant that people these days have to be even more careful about cars because of the quality of stuff available to make fakes. "Moving quickly" on a prospective purchase is probably something a faker will count on.

Like the comical old saying about A9X Toranas..."There were 3000 A9X's made, 12,000 of which are still on the road today". You could probably substitute any number of classic muscle for the A9X and it would be accurate.

Taking your time might mean you miss out on a sale...but it does also mean that when you buy something, you have peace of mind that it's real.

[MrEL]

In my opinion a time waster is someone who comes out , walks around scratching their nuts , looking at everything but nothing in particular , wants a test drive and then walks off.
A few years ago I advertised my old NF Fairlane with a worked 5.0 , locked diff , Billstein Suspension , Tricked up auto etc etc. Obviously it wasn't standard and I advertised it as so.
Had a clown come out with his mate , they looked around it and wanted to take it for a test drive. I said yeah no worries Ill take you for a drive , show you what it can do and if your interested you can drive it with me in the car and we will take it from there.
I had no idea if the guy could actually drive a performance car so I was cautious.
He wasn't happy but agreed. His mate in the back who was the "expert" on Fords asked if it was a 351 or 302? My reply was a 5.0 so a 302 in old school. He then asked why did I waste my time on a 302 Cleveland I was a nancy and should of went the 351......................it was a 96 NF. No Cleveland fitted to them.............
At that point I was starting to think they had no idea. I drove the car around till it warmed up , went up to the industrial area and punched it coming out of a roundabout , straightened it up from being very sideways and run it up to nearly $2. The passenger absolutely made brown stains in his pants and said Geez it goes ok.
I then asked him if he wanted a drive. Reply was nah its too quick for me. His mate piped up with "Ill give it a crack". I asked if he would be interested in buying it to which he said "nah cant afford it."
I declined his request to have a drive.
They were timewasters.
Another one was we sold my wifes old 4x4 on fleabay. The guy won the auction and come out to get it. Looked at it and said "Its for my daughter , I want to buy her a new car but she wont let me." Revved it , looked at it and said "Ill go for a beer and Ill think about it.Will call you in an hour" Got in his car and drove off. That was 4 years ago. Im still waiting for the call. I had to stuff around another week with ebay before I could sell it to someone else.
Timewaster.
As far as being able to pick people by the way they look. Not so. My parents went to buy my old girl a BMW M3. Found one they liked and walked into the yard to see a salesperson and check it out more.
My old man is 6'2" , shaved head , half sleeves on both arms and on the weekend prefers to wear a singlet , shorts and thongs because he is sick of wearing flash clothes at work all week. He also parked his Bronco out the front which was still muddy from the weekend befores 4x4 trip.
One of the salesmen walked over to him and told him to leave , his dealership didn't have time for his kind of people. They had standards to keep.
The old boy asked for the manager quite calmly to which he was refused. He then asked the other salesman there that was with other people for his assistance when he was finished.
The other salesman come over when done , had a chat and showed them the car. Took the old girl for a test drive and come back. Went into the office to nut out a deal and right in front of the snooty nose salesman , the old man dropped $10k in cash on the desk and said "theres the deposit , let do a deal at $XXXXX". Deal was done on the spot. The only other question was did the dealership want a bank cheque during the week or could the olds use the phone to transfer the money to their credit card and do a temp limit increase to finalise the sale there and then.
The best bit was the decent salesman that didn't judge the book by its cover and got the commission for the sale , told the snooty nose bloke who got nothing to make the olds a coffee each while they were on the phone and doing the paperwork.........

[Hell Cat]

Selling my old rodeo ute, a young guy wanted me to drive my car to him so he could check out the car/test drive, he wanted me to drive from brisbane (chermside) to logan hyperdome 45mins away.

I stupidly agreed & arranged to meet him in four hours, luckily for me someone else came and looked at the car in the meantime and purchased the car.

Called the young guy and told him that I sold the car to someone else.



I guess I wasted a potential time wasters time.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by MrEL

In my opinion a time waster is someone who comes out , walks around scratching their nuts , looking at everything but nothing in particular , wants a test drive and then walks off.
A few years ago I advertised my old NF Fairlane with a worked 5.0 , locked diff , Billstein Suspension , Tricked up auto etc etc. Obviously it wasn't standard and I advertised it as so.
Had a clown come out with his mate , they looked around it and wanted to take it for a test drive. I said yeah no worries Ill take you for a drive , show you what it can do and if your interested you can drive it with me in the car and we will take it from there.
I had no idea if the guy could actually drive a performance car so I was cautious.
He wasn't happy but agreed. His mate in the back who was the "expert" on Fords asked if it was a 351 or 302? My reply was a 5.0 so a 302 in old school. He then asked why did I waste my time on a 302 Cleveland I was a nancy and should of went the 351......................it was a 96 NF. No Cleveland fitted to them.............
At that point I was starting to think they had no idea. I drove the car around till it warmed up , went up to the industrial area and punched it coming out of a roundabout , straightened it up from being very sideways and run it up to nearly $2. The passenger absolutely made brown stains in his pants and said Geez it goes ok.

Not being smart, but personal I wouldn't have touched it either, clue or not, if that's how you drive it with a potential buyer in it, how was the rest of its life....
I had a salesman take me for a ride in a late model Monaro the other day, was a nice car and worth a few quid. He flogged crap out of it.
I asked him what he had done to it, he said it wasn't his but a yard car.
I really didn't matter how good the car he was taking me to see was, if that's how he treated a vehicle with a potential customer in it he's in the wrong business and I wasn't diggin' his groove...

Anyway, that's my take on it all.

[Hell Cat]

Complete opposite of a time waster.


Mum put me in charge of selling her barina, the asking price was $6500, mum owned it from new & had full service history.
A teenage girl and her parents came to look at it... Here's an idea how the sale went.

They all look at the car in the driveway.
Girls mum. "Will you take $6000"
Me "mum wants $6500"
"Girls mum" okay, that's fine give me the bank details and I will pay this afternoon
Me "do you want a test drive?"
Girls mum "no its fine, ive seen the service history"


Money was transferred by the next day and the car was collected.

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not being smart, but personal I wouldn't have touched it either, clue or not, if that's how you drive it with a potential buyer in it, how was the rest of its life....
I had a salesman take me for a ride in a late model Monaro the other day, was a nice car and worth a few quid. He flogged crap out of it.
I asked him what he had done to it, he said it wasn't his but a yard car.
I really didn't matter how good the car he was taking me to see was, if that's how he treated a vehicle with a potential customer in it he's in the wrong business and I wasn't diggin' his groove...

Anyway, that's my take on it all.

So you would come to look at a car when it is listed as being worked , all the gear in it was listed and when you lifted the bonnet , it was very obvious it was not stock and expect it to have been driven like a baby?
He wanted to see what it went like and I showed him. He also saw evidence that it was service every 5000km and he even asked me what times it run on the quarter mile.
I had nothing to hide.
Why not be honest with someone instead of trying to sell the vehicle as to what its not?

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Hell Cat

Complete opposite of a time waster.


Mum put me in charge of selling her barina, the asking price was $6500, mum owned it from new & had full service history.
A teenage girl and her parents came to look at it... Here's an idea how the sale went.

They all look at the car in the driveway.
Girls mum. "Will you take $6000"
Me "mum wants $6500"
"Girls mum" okay, that's fine give me the bank details and I will pay this afternoon
Me "do you want a test drive?"
Girls mum "no its fine, ive seen the service history"


Money was transferred by the next day and the car was collected.

Probably going to cop it for what I am going to say.

Yeah that's the opposite of a time waster that's a (removed).

There is nothing wrong with people needing to do their homework when buying a car, for example, going for a test drive, getting a mechanic to have a look at it, having a few days to think about or comparing several cars etc. If they then don't buy your car, well, maybe you need to look at why they didn't buy your car. Maybe it had some problems, it is too dear or just maybe its your attitude.

There are people out there that don't mean to waste your time but they unintentionally do. For example, a sales rep who is currently driving a ABC that has been told that they are getting a XYZ as their next company car (the car has already been ordered by the company's dedicated dealership). They are out of state and are bored between appointments/jobs. They go in to the XYZ dealership and ask a thousand questions and want a test drive. Meanwhile several other people walk in to the dealership and get spoken to by other sales staff losing the opportunity to sell those people a car. Not necessarily a time waster, but certainly is wasting the sales person's time.