June 2013 Sales Figures - Page 2

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Wait until they get into the pickup market, the Iload will soon dominate the commercial van segment, we have 17 at work, better to drive and more reliable than the 4 previous brands we've had (VW, Ford, Renault, Toyota). I still have a slight cultural cringe when it comes to Korean cars, I'm sure I'll get over it soon enough.

I've been in a couple of iloads and they are impressive. They make Toyota's commercials seem very poor. I can see why they are gaining popularity.

XR Martin · 03-07-2013, 11:26 AM

Heard plenty of horror stories regard the Iload reliability...
Although I dont think Hiace is as good as they use to be either.

MrZ · 03-07-2013, 12:38 PM

i30 and Elantra are not the same car. They are counted separately by VFACTS, so the title of that article is completely wrong. i30 is not number one at all.

Hally · 03-07-2013, 12:56 PM

At the end of the day, VFACTS segmentation is crap, so why stress. A good example is Camry/Aurion. Same car with different motor but counted separately but one is counted as medium, one large.

At the end of the day, Hyundai sold a bucket load of cars from the one platform.

XR Martin · 03-07-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

i30 and Elantra are not the same car. They are counted separately by VFACTS, so the title of that article is completely wrong. i30 is not number one at all.

Yep, fudging the figures at its best.

Golf and Jetta are not listed as the one car.

Trump · 03-07-2013, 01:40 PM

Any idea on Falcon numbers?

R-Design · 03-07-2013, 03:24 PM

Is this the first month of VF sales or the last month of VE? If it's the former it's bad news, if it's the latter it was a good month!

mcnews · 03-07-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Heard plenty of horror stories regard the Iload reliability...
Although I dont think Hiace is as good as they use to be either.

I have heard the opposite, plenty of people have sung to me the praises of the iLoads they have bought for their businesses.

1TUFFUTE · 03-07-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

A mate of mine has a massive property in FNQ - he doesn't even talk in terms of buying "a car" or "a new car" -- he says "I need to buy a new toyota" or "we need two more toyotas for this season".

Obviously your mate doesn't realise the ranger is not only a generation ahead in all areas to the Toyohashi...it's won ute of the year for the world and in many countries since its been released. Toyota r lucky for blind loyalty is all

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Design

Is this the first month of VF sales or the last month of VE? If it's the former it's bad news, if it's the latter it was a good month!

VF has been getting built for 6 weeks now. some areas might not yet have received stock. Give it a month and then we can see were commodore is. But I wouldn't expect anything great.

Joe5619 · 03-07-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hally

At the end of the day, VFACTS segmentation is crap, so why stress. A good example is Camry/Aurion. Same car with different motor but counted separately but one is counted as medium, one large.

I'm sorry; a car that has different engines, different exterior shape & different interior styling should not be counted as the same car. I agree one isn’t medium & the other large, but they still should be counted separately IMO.

jpd80 · 03-07-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I'm sorry; a car that has different engines, different exterior shape & different interior styling should not be counted as the same car. I agree one isn’t medium & the other large, but they still should be counted separately IMO.

In all fairness, Falcon and Commodore are "in-betweeners" or small large cars when compared to US full sized vehicles (think Caprice).
The problem is that mid sized cars are no longer that, Large mid Sizers now hover just below the lower limit for a large car.

Look at the 2003 mazda 6 - that's a true mid sized car, not the large mid sizers we get today
so effectively, the mid sized market grew up and pinched whatever sales it could from large car
whilst it too was carnivored from beneath by larger small cars.

Hally · 03-07-2013, 05:14 PM

Joe.

So based on your thoughts an Ecoboost Falcon should be counted separately to the rest of the range? The same can be said for the Holden range. A Camry/Aurions difference only extends to bolt on bars, grilles, wheels and the motor. Also some slight interior differences from memory, very similar to Falcon/G6 with different powertrains.

Joe5619 · 03-07-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hally

Joe.

So based on your thoughts an Ecoboost Falcon should be counted separately to the rest of the range? The same can be said for the Holden range. A Camry/Aurions difference only extends to bolt on bars, grilles, wheels and the motor. Also some slight interior differences from memory, very similar to Falcon/G6 with different powertrains.

In this case they are the same as they have the same exterior shape & the same interior styling!! For me, the engine is not the deciding factor, it is what does the car look like.

And the Camary/Aurions inside are totally different (while at least on the old model, not sure of the new one?). They might just be "bolt on parts", but they make the car look totally different.

Spammy · 03-07-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Obviously your mate doesn't realise the ranger is not only a generation ahead in all areas to the Toyohashi...it's won ute of the year for the world and in many countries since its been released. Toyota r lucky for blind loyalty is all

Rangers could be gold plated, cost $5 and come with a free stripper to wash it evey weekend and he (and 99% of real farmers) would stil buy a Toyota.

MrZ · 03-07-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Obviously your mate doesn't realise the ranger is not only a generation ahead in all areas to the Toyohashi...it's won ute of the year for the world and in many countries since its been released. Toyota r lucky for blind loyalty is all

And what if I don't want a noisy clattering diesel, but a smooth V6 petrol engine? Ranger doesn't even give me that option, Hilux does. What if I want to save money and buy a cheap 4-cylinder petrol? Hilux offers the 2.7L 4-cyl Workmate with choice of optional auto. Ranger offers a 2.5L 4-cyl, but only with manual. In short, the Hilux range is much broader.

XR Martin · 03-07-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

And the Camary/Aurions inside are totally different (while at least on the old model, not sure of the new one?). They might just be "bolt on parts", but they make the car look totally different.

On the old model Aurion only difference was the dash.
With the new one there is bugger all to distinguish between them.

borough · 03-07-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

And what if I don't want a noisy clattering diesel, but a smooth V6 petrol engine? Ranger doesn't even give me that option, Hilux does. What if I want to save money and buy a cheap 4-cylinder petrol? Hilux offers the 2.7L 4-cyl Workmate with choice of optional auto. Ranger offers a 2.5L 4-cyl, but only with manual. In short, the Hilux range is much broader.

The V6 in the Hilux is being discontinued.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

And what if I don't want a noisy clattering diesel, but a smooth V6 petrol engine? Ranger doesn't even give me that option, Hilux does. What if I want to save money and buy a cheap 4-cylinder petrol? Hilux offers the 2.7L 4-cyl Workmate with choice of optional auto. Ranger offers a 2.5L 4-cyl, but only with manual. In short, the Hilux range is much broader.

Lol... The only noisey clattering diesel in the class is the Toyota... Great Wall is nearly as good in comparison.

The sales figures dont lie though... People will believe what they are lead to. Ford cant supply enough Rangers, they will never sell 5000 per month with their current allocation from Thailand.

Hilux Range is Broader?? urgh I dont think so... Does Toyota offer any Hi Rider RWD's? Does Toyota offer 3 motors? Does Toyota offer a premium model with Leather? Can you Tow 3,500 kg with a Toyota?? LOL

BroadyFord · 03-07-2013, 07:49 PM

Let's all get behind the Camry! Only locally-made car with any prospects of a future!

MrZ · 03-07-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by borough

The V6 in the Hilux is being discontinued.

Hmm, too bad, that was it's one great selling point.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Does Toyota offer any Hi Rider RWD's? Does Toyota offer 3 motors?

Yes, they do offer 3 motors: 2.7L, 3.0DT, and 4.0L V6. And why would you want a high rider 2WD ute? If you're using a ute for hauling stuff, you want it to be lower, which results in a lower centre of gravity and reduced drag = better fuel consumption.

new2ford · 03-07-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rancidpunx

Why are people still buying the ageing Hi-lux?

More to the point, why is it always in the car sales figures (=demand for passenger vehicles)? It's a truck.

rdmr · 03-07-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Let's all get behind the Camry! Only locally-made car with any prospects of a future!

Goodbye then, nice knowing you.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Hmm, too bad, that was it's one great selling point.

Yes, they do offer 3 motors: 2.7L, 3.0DT, and 4.0L V6. And why would you want a high rider 2WD ute? If you're using a ute for hauling stuff, you want it to be lower, which results in a lower centre of gravity and reduced drag = better fuel consumption.

If you wanted a lower ute you would buy an SS Commodore...

And no they only offer 2... The V6 is being phased out shortly...

Either way I would never own one... The only Toyota ute worth talking about is the Tundra.

Rob 351 · 03-07-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

Rangers could be gold plated, cost $5 and come with a free stripper to wash it evey weekend and he (and 99% of real farmers) would stil buy a Toyota.

Well, I consider myself as a 'real farmer', as that is what I do for a living & our choice of work ute is a Ford Ranger. 100,000 k's, not one single issue & will buy another in the not to distant future.
They are a good work horse.

**buggerlugs** · 03-07-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Hmm, too bad, that was it's one great selling point.

Yes, they do offer 3 motors: 2.7L, 3.0DT, and 4.0L V6. And why would you want a high rider 2WD ute? If you're using a ute for hauling stuff, you want it to be lower, which results in a lower centre of gravity and reduced drag = better fuel consumption.

You mention the Hilux 4 cylinder petrol motor, and the Hilux V6 petrol motor, you'd want both of them real low to the ground for better fuel consumption. They are both shockers for chewing the juice............

Dr Smith · 03-07-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Let's all get behind the Camry! Only locally-made car with any prospects of a future!

So will you change name to AltonaToyota?

jpd80 · 03-07-2013, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

You mention the Hilux 4 cylinder petrol motor, and the Hilux V6 petrol motor, you'd want both of them real low to the ground for better fuel consumption. They are both shockers for chewing the juice............

I have a feeling that the V6 petrol is being dropped because of poor sales, buyers want diesel.

Road_Warrior · 03-07-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Yes, they do offer 3 motors: 2.7L, 3.0DT, and 4.0L V6. And why would you want a high rider 2WD ute? If you're using a ute for hauling stuff, you want it to be lower, which results in a lower centre of gravity and reduced drag = better fuel consumption.

Lol, what? It would need to be a salt lake racer for the ride height to have any effect on fuel economy.

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Let's all get behind the Camry! Only locally-made car with any prospects of a future!

Off you go then.

Dr Smith · 03-07-2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Wait until they get into the pickup market, the Iload will soon dominate the commercial van segment, we have 17 at work, better to drive and more reliable than the 4 previous brands we've had (VW, Ford, Renault, Toyota). I still have a slight cultural cringe when it comes to Korean cars, I'm sure I'll get over it soon enough.

I'd have to disagree on the "better to drive", I still think the VW T5 is the best drive and throw 800kg in the back and a trailer carrying a 1200kg load so nearing 4500 GMV and it doesn't raise a sweat and still gets 12L/100km. Sure the VW is expensive to maintain however when you're in the drivers seat 8 hours a day I'll take the German any day.