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09-01-2015, 08:51 PM | #31 | ||
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Wait, what? Was that article talking about real world driving, and not just track stuff? Interesting.
Last paragraph really sums it up "For the money, both cars deliver outstanding performance and value, but in best tradition of the Australian muscle car, Fords final Falcon XR8 gets the nod." Let me say, if I could, I would also buy the last V8 Commodore, to park alongside my last V8 Falcon.
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09-01-2015, 08:58 PM | #32 | |||
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I'd say this is it for the v8 falcons aside from sticker packs. The only thing still to come might be that 310 xr6 Imo.
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09-01-2015, 09:01 PM | #33 | ||
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how do you feel about the steering ? they reckon the commy is a bit lifeless in steering feel compared to the falcon hydraulic steering ?
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09-01-2015, 09:02 PM | #34 | ||
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Well I hope your wrong. Plenty of 400rwkw fgs out there. And I am sure ford can tune the car just as well as our local tuners. Maybe ford need to talk to a few
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09-01-2015, 09:08 PM | #35 | ||
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Not that this should need to be said but it's easy to tune a car and walk away. When it's warranted by a large company it needs to conform to more stringent standards.
Alteration to the tune to that extent would require durability testing that as far as I'm aware has already failed (firewall). Everything is easy to do!
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09-01-2015, 09:09 PM | #36 | |||
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Given Ford did a bunch of R&D in a 450kw intercooled GT but had issues with the firewall parting ways with the chassis and it got put into the too hard basket as neither Ford nor Pro Drive wanted to spend the extra money it would have cost to sort that issue out to get it past durability testing, i highly doubt they'd up the power in the XR8 Arron. |
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09-01-2015, 09:10 PM | #37 | |||
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Good point there, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. A Whincup Edition will probably come with a no cost option of a flask of "limp home" fuel. Until then, at least we can enjoy the outcome of this compare.
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09-01-2015, 09:12 PM | #38 | |||
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09-01-2015, 09:17 PM | #39 | ||
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Yep and pretty sure the reason fgx is still using fg is because they wanted to avoid crash testing. Could be wrong though.
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09-01-2015, 09:28 PM | #40 | |||
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Using your guidelines, the XY had no locally built V8 competition in that race so shouldn't be considered, but you don't hear Holden fans wheeling that excuse out. The last time Holden took on Ford at the track in production V8 racing was in 69 and the Holden won so the HT should be Australia's greatest V8 production car racer. To draw a long bow, the end of manufacturing could be compared to the end of series production racing, Ford wont get a chance to reply to Holden just like HDT didn't get to reply to the XY GTHO, even though they did, albeit in a rain affected race, and won. Hell, even the Torana's win in '72 under the last year of series production rules isn't considered valid by Ford fans because the track was wet. As though water on the track is somehow alien and race cars with experienced drivers shouldn't have to cope with it. See this is what makes many blue oval supporters look like sore losers. All through history they have used loop holes to stake their claims. The track was wet The rules changed Until the GTS was released the holy grail of Australian performance motoring was a vehicle which lapped faster than anything else around a circuit. Fast forward 40 years and because the GTS would kick the GTF's **** and the SSVR does kick the XR8's ****, all of a sudden the criteria of what constitutes the best has changed to straight line speed to suit the Ford. When you start shifting the goal posts to suit your argument you lose all credibility. Last edited by BENT_8; 09-01-2015 at 09:39 PM. |
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09-01-2015, 09:34 PM | #41 | ||||||
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Certainly looks as though the SS has the XR8's measure on a short Quote:
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Pity they couldn't (due to legal red tape) let us do a full lap at the track and see the shortcomings. |
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09-01-2015, 09:37 PM | #42 | ||
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The Holden could be 5 seconds, 10 seconds, however many faster around the track and I wouldn't care. How many people will be track racing their xr8 against a SS? Overtaking and accelerating speed are more practical in a real life scenario. Watching the SS in your rear view mirror leaving the lights is more likely to happen than getting them together on the race track.
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09-01-2015, 09:39 PM | #43 | ||
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We aren't the ones on the Holden forums spewing ford bile at the members bent_8.
You've taken a very small opinion and blown it all out of proportion. What is it the 2017 commodore is competing with? Rather than have your massive rant you could simply say "I disagree the car will be competing with X vehicle".
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09-01-2015, 09:41 PM | #44 | ||
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Totally agree Matrobbo. And most of the time all of us are just driving along, not racing. Cars are many things and I like a nice environment for the 1.5 hrs I sit in one each day
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09-01-2015, 09:45 PM | #45 | ||
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So what if the Redline is a little quicker on a track. Probably not even one percent will ever see a track, and the XR8 is quicker in a straight line and better on the road, where they spent pretty much their whole lives.
I'd call it an XR8 win. Really clutching at straws to hang your hat on lap times. Unless it's nothing but a track car and never see's road duties. |
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09-01-2015, 09:47 PM | #46 | |||
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09-01-2015, 09:48 PM | #47 | |||
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Personally I believe the XR8 is a fantastic bit of kit and deserves to be regarded as such, but just because its Fords parting shot doesn't detract from anything Holden does post 2016. The SSVR will be competing against the Mustang as that's all Ford will have, get used to the idea. Hate the game, not the player. |
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09-01-2015, 09:50 PM | #48 | |||
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I'm thinking a few may have read Youlden's comments, and didn't read any further, completely missing the "real world" part of the article
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09-01-2015, 09:51 PM | #49 | ||
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You say hate the game not the player yet you called everyone here losers...
It's fair to think ss competes with mustang but given one is a two door I'm not sure I agree with you. But if that's the case I look forward to the mustang handing the SS more defeat.
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09-01-2015, 09:55 PM | #50 | |||
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We'll have to wait and see hey. |
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09-01-2015, 09:59 PM | #51 | ||
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Yeah coz the XR8 doesn't even have a spot to put the "8 Track cassette's", being so dated and all
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09-01-2015, 10:02 PM | #52 | ||
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09-01-2015, 10:03 PM | #53 | |||
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Point still stands, you're the Holden person posting on the ford forum in an overly negative way. Edit: beers with pottery would be awesome fun, you should do it!
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09-01-2015, 10:08 PM | #54 | |||
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And I might now. |
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09-01-2015, 10:10 PM | #55 | ||
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Just look under the bonnet, realise there is something cool under there and not the back of a TMNT, crank the key old school and hear the supercharger whine rather than a vacuum suck. Enjoy the choice. I intend to. If you don't like it buy the Holden.
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09-01-2015, 10:12 PM | #56 | |||
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Can you consider a V6 Turbo Insignia anything worth buying? |
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09-01-2015, 10:17 PM | #57 | ||
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Ford for the (obvious) win here.
Not sure how the opposition even stacked up. |
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09-01-2015, 10:17 PM | #58 | ||
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Got to be the first review that thinks a manual XR8 would be quicker than an auto
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09-01-2015, 10:17 PM | #59 | |||
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You think you're a realist but reality says you're just like everyone else here a person with an opinion. Sadly you reverted to name calling to express it as you were incapable of keeping the discussion on the "game" rather than the "person" as you put it.
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