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08-04-2015, 12:59 PM | #31 | ||
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Well I bought a new car November last. I wanted something smaller than my Mondeo (Previous to that a Barra). I looked at Focus but ended up with a Kia Cerato.
Why? Price, equipment 7 year warranty, dealer experience, and the fact that the Mondeo was falling apart after 5 years (Air cond failed, trim coming off, driveline shunt, none of which the dealer wanted to know about) Funny thing is I bought the kia for reasons above but now think its the best car Ive ever had! Its a joy to own and drive |
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08-04-2015, 01:00 PM | #32 | |||
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I had a bit of a rant about VW in another section of the forum, they seem to be marketed as a "premium" product in this country when really they aren't that damn great, they do good interiors but they're a bastard to work on, everything except the GTI editions are under-engined and not all that reliable either. They seem to be able to put an interior together quite well though, but the way they are designed, I'd gladly never work on VWs again to be honest, there is a reason why there is a market for VW specialist workshops. My sister and her boyfriend both bought new VWs with DSGs, Polo and Jetta, and both have had the DSG replaced under warranty and the dealership bricked the ECU somehow on the Polo. Warranty period is over they're getting out of them soon, and I'm suggesting my sister looks at the Kia Rio, she doesnt like the new Mazda 2. One car you can understand, maybe Friday arvo build lemon that the odd poor bastard buys, but both cars with DSGs replaced? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 08-04-2015 at 01:08 PM. |
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08-04-2015, 01:05 PM | #33 | |||
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08-04-2015, 01:25 PM | #34 | |||
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The Golf and most other VW's are semi-premium, and yes they have the best put together and quality interiors in their class. As for reliability they rate quite highly in the UK and Europe, but over there they pretty much all drive manuals compared to here where autos rule. I reckon a huge part of the unreliability here is due to the DSG and the fact that that is what most aussies drive. Plus the 118 twin charger engine was too fragile on the high sulfur fuel used here. Having driven a Golf Mk7 90 TSI manual, I have to say it was excellent, due to having 200nm available from just 1400 rpm. Driven normaly changing up before 4000rpm it absolutely creamed my Focus S. To get the Focus really moving you need to red line the first few gears. Its the trade off trying to move almost 1400kg with an engine that makes max torque at 4450 rpm. The Golf Manual in comparison is only 1209kg. I drove the 103TSI as well, it makes 250nm from just 1500 rpm. Bloody impressive, I can understand why people buy em. |
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08-04-2015, 01:42 PM | #35 | ||
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Your average Joe would take this everyday of the week over "better" ride and handling.
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08-04-2015, 01:45 PM | #36 | ||
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08-04-2015, 01:48 PM | #37 | ||
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Be interesting to see whether the updated Focus gets the 1.0L Ecoboost and both the 110kw and 135kw 1.5 Ecoboost engines as it does in Europe.
2L is no longer available and the 1.6 is only on the base models. Also 1.5 Ecoboosts dont come with the power**** gearbox.
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08-04-2015, 01:52 PM | #38 | |||
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Whats the 1.5 Ecoboost engine do power wise? |
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08-04-2015, 01:55 PM | #39 | |||
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08-04-2015, 01:57 PM | #40 | ||
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If you want a better-built and more reliable VW you buy a Skoda. But being on a VAG platform is a two-edged sword for any of their companies. They do FWD extremely well and they're equipped nicely - but on the downside they share the DSG. Apart from manufacturing quality, a lot boils down to which company you deal with when some issue comes up. VW has a reputation for waiting for the customer to complain and then trying to avoid the issue, Skoda and Audi are more proactive and helpful.
In spite of what everybody assumes, they are different companies and do things their own ways, even though they share technology and have the same ownership at the top. I did a reliability search with UK Warranty Direct and this result comparing Focus, Kia Rio, Golf and Skoda Fabia came up (hope the link works): http://www.reliabilityindex.com/comparison No doubt about Kia generally, but not too different from Ford and Skoda. Golf on the other hand is way down. Look at Golf's performance on transmission problems - and note the complete contrast with Fabia even though both share VAG DSG (although Skoda manufacture their own transmissions, which may explain something)! Our Ford dealer sells and services VWs and Skodas and says VWs have the most problems. But a 7 year warranty indicates that a manufacturer has a lot of confidence (and real experience) that there will be few problems to cost them money. It's a pity that Australia doesn't get its European Fords from Europe - they're pretty top of the tree in quality there. |
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08-04-2015, 01:59 PM | #41 | |||
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Same thing with the first LW Focus, Europe production then shift to Thailand with MKII. |
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08-04-2015, 01:59 PM | #42 | ||
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From memory its 135kw and 240nm, but rumors I've heard say only the Focus S and Titanium will get it (Dont know about the trend). The Ambiente will get the 1.0 Ecoboost, which will drink fuel like a drunken sailor trying to carry around a car of the Focuses weight.
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08-04-2015, 02:02 PM | #43 | |||
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08-04-2015, 02:08 PM | #44 | |||
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It has the same power as the 1.6, 40nm more (200nm in overboost) and weighs 1280kg
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08-04-2015, 02:08 PM | #45 | ||
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Yep it makes more torque than the 1.6 na but being turbo charged has to pump lots of fuel to get it. It is only 1.0 litre after all, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
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08-04-2015, 02:24 PM | #46 | ||
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Hope so... I mean wow I was half asleep this morning.
Re: the comment about Mitsubishi, looks like price perception is making inroads.
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08-04-2015, 03:48 PM | #48 | ||
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The facts are the sales numbers over the last 9-10 years..
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08-04-2015, 05:52 PM | #49 | |||
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Its already in the revised Kuga at either from memory as a 110kw tune or 130 kw tune with 240nm of torque quite tasty also coming with a six speed manual option. |
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08-04-2015, 06:28 PM | #50 | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDaLxN5FIjE One of the best ads ever IMO still makes me want to buy a BA now. Far better than some stuck up women going on about a kuga having more power than a Rav4. |
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08-04-2015, 08:08 PM | #51 | |||
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09-04-2015, 12:33 AM | #55 | ||
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Well a recent research revealed Holden as the most complained about drivers on the road. By far. That would have to reflect on sales.
And I remember another research from less then ten years ago on the impact of product recalls(the topic was 'future' brand value) and dealer level complaints, along with warranty issues. It's results included stats that Holden had over twice the dealer issues that both ford and Toyota did....with Toyota better then ford marginally. Do a search on dealer complaints from the other brands in Australia......you think ford has a problem We've personally never had an issue with ford, neither my family or friends....bar one bailing on a new focus because of a 3mnth wait. So from my perspective people singling Ford out as 'dirty on the nose' is a cop out. EVERY manufacturer has it's problems! IMHO |
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09-04-2015, 03:09 AM | #56 | |||
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For all the complaints about the vehicles and drivers the telling stat is Holden sells more than Ford.
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09-04-2015, 07:45 AM | #57 | |||
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09-04-2015, 09:27 AM | #58 | ||
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I'm wondering if Falcon has ruined Fords image.
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09-04-2015, 09:30 AM | #59 | ||
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No poor customer service has ruined Fords image...
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09-04-2015, 09:40 AM | #60 | ||
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Given the Commodore is a species soon to be extinct, it's still a fairly competitive model. Set a side the viability of manufacturing the Commodore, if it was imported in it's current form at a more competitive price, would it sustain it's current sales figures??
Keep in mind, a good percentage of those Commodores sold are V8's...which goes to show, there is still a good demand for large car with V8. I think there are a number of issues plaguing the Falcon, dated interior, behind in the tech dept, poor sales and quality image and lack of marketing. Every other model in the top 10 deserve to be there...
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