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12-04-2015, 07:45 AM | #31 | ||
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How about Cortina ??? old name but known
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12-04-2015, 07:57 AM | #33 | ||
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I love some of the comments under the drive review saying they were interested in one but aren't now due to what the review says. FFS the review is one persons opinion just go and test drive one and make your own mind up.
FWIW Caradvice and TMR have far more comprehensive reviews on their sites and are generally more praising of it.
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12-04-2015, 08:14 AM | #34 | |||
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It's the wet clutch version which is fine. It gets an oil change every 60,000km which adds a bit to the service cost but it's it works very well. But they still need to expand the petrol wagon range. |
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12-04-2015, 08:43 AM | #35 | |||
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12-04-2015, 08:48 AM | #36 | ||
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I owned a 2013 Zetec Hatch EcoBoost.
Excellent car. The new car has a later version of the engine and drivetrain. I was averaging 8.2 l / 100 km (on the same drive my Kuga diesel was getting 7.5). This review is just a first quick blast, would be good to see a longer term drive and comparison to Mazda 6 and Hyundai. |
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12-04-2015, 09:13 AM | #37 | |||
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The bigger current Superb is getting on a bit but the new one looks very nice. |
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12-04-2015, 10:01 AM | #38 | ||
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12-04-2015, 10:13 AM | #39 | ||
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They will definitely would want an uptick in volume, ford dealers desperately need it.
I think they will pursue the Telstra contract with it. They have petrol in the base Ambiente and Ford Aus has specified self levelling rear suspensions on the wagons. I believe there was an issue with rear squat with the old Mondeo wagons in fleet trials. |
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12-04-2015, 11:29 AM | #40 | ||
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Bit simplistic. Profits are a factor, but if Ford have the potential to sell 1000 a month but only sell 500, even if they profit from that that is not a success. I wouldn't say Mondeo will beat Camry but it needs to improve from where it is now. The point of business is to make as much profit as you can, there is no point where a company goes 'we've made enough profit this month, we're successful', especially if there is more money to be made.
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12-04-2015, 01:07 PM | #41 | |||
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Good to see it has torque converter auto on the petrols.
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12-04-2015, 01:18 PM | #42 | |||
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Using Fords claimed figures (132 kW @ 3500 & 400 Nm 2000-2500 rpm) lets look at how much power the diesel apparently has at 2000 rpm (57.14% of max power revs). 400 Nm X 2000/9549.3 = 83.77 killowatts. Now using Fords figures for the Ecotec engines (177 kW @ 5400 & 345 Nm 2300-4900 rpm & 149 kW @ 5400/345 Nm 2700-3500 rpm) lets see how much power that amounts to at 57.14% of their maximum power revs (3085.56 rpm). 345 Nm X 3085.56 rpm/9549.3 = 111.47 kW which is a considerable 33% more power at the same 57.14% of their higher maximum power revs. I think the point to keep in mind is that a high revving motor needs less torque than a low revving motor to do the same job, because it can use lower gearing for the same road speed, and with lower gearing you get more torque multiplication. So if both petrol and diesel engines were geared to deliver the same road speed at 57% of their maximum power revs (with the same tyres and wheels fitted), then the petrol engines would have 33% more torque at the wheels. Well maybe not exactly 33%, because in the real world both would suffer frictional losses and who knows exactly how much, but I trust you see the point that I'm trying to make. Last edited by 2242100; 12-04-2015 at 01:46 PM. |
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12-04-2015, 01:27 PM | #43 | ||
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The market is definitely trending back towards petrol as they become much more efficient - especially with the tech in something like the Ecoboost. Diesel in passenger vehicles sales fell 17.8% last year and there double digit declines the year before. I wouldn't be surprised if diesel will be a lower proportion of overall Mondeo sales than they were expecting - which isn't good for the wagon as Ford Australia is only importing diesel in Trend and Titanium.
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12-04-2015, 01:58 PM | #44 | |||
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experts on here will judge its success by its volume compared to the competition. ford won't. no doubt they will be keen to see it do well, but at the end of the day, the bottom line is what matters. |
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12-04-2015, 02:40 PM | #45 | |||
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CA "Perhaps a more pleasant option — and, for full disclosure, I rarely recommend diesels — is the 2.0-litre TDCi oiler, which makes 132kW and 400Nm (from 2000-2500rpm). It’s beautifully refined and free of clatter and oozing punch. It’s too expensive over the petrol to be easily justified, however. " TMR "Not unsurprisingly, we came away impressed most with the TDCI diesel. Once warm, it is a very smooth and responsive unit, will effortlessly power over hills (and will, undoubtedly, be untroubled by the weight of a family-sized load) and has no trouble getting quickly ‘out and around' when overtaking." When I was deciding between petrol and diesel the choice was easy because the 2.3 petrol wasn't much chop. I honestly don't know which I would choose between the diesel and ecoboost. I would drive them both and decide if the extra for the diesel is worth it. I usually buy 2-3 year old cars though so not such a price difference by then.
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12-04-2015, 07:43 PM | #46 | ||
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In terms of volume, its going to take a few years before the Mondeo's success can be measured.
Once the Camry becomes a import like the rest of the market, fleets and governments will be less compelled to buy the "local". Once Falcon is finished, those sales will migrate to the Mondeo. Ford have a chance to build some momentum with the Mondeo over the next couple of years. Build its reputation and pitch the Wagon to fleets. The Diesel wagon will give Ford a strong point of difference to fleet, something that Toyota and Holden will fail to match. So over the next two years, I can sales of Mondeo slowly increasing as the above factors play out.
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12-04-2015, 08:57 PM | #47 | ||
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IMHO they should have changed the name to Fusion. Mondeo is such a ghey sounding name. Not that I will ever buy one. Sorry Ford.
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12-04-2015, 09:19 PM | #48 | |||
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So for example if the gearing on the current engine reduces the engines flywheel speed from 2000 rpm to 500 rpm at the wheels, which is a quarter of the flywheel revs, then the engines 400 Nm of flywheel torque (ie turning force) multiplies to 1600 Nm at the wheels (4 X 400) less transmission losses. If the engine had half the torque and double the revs and it was geared to still have the same 500 rpm wheel speed, then it would still end up with the same 1600 Nm at the wheels (less transmission losses). That's because the wheel speed is reduced to one eighth of the flywheel revs and engine torque is multiplied by 8. ie. 200 Nm X 8 = 1600 Nm at the wheels at the same 500 wheel rpm. All very basic I know, but I think a lot of people just don't think it through. IMO torque comparisons between engines can be pretty useless, unless the engines have similar maximum revs. Where possible I use the torque data to work out how much power engines produce at the same percentage point of their maximum revs, to me power is the measure of an engines working ability. Last edited by 2242100; 12-04-2015 at 09:38 PM. |
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Sales may just as easily migrate to Commodore, as the 5:1 selling ratio may also show. Those that support Australian and RWD have little choice, and luckily the VF is a very good car, particularly in 6 cylinder Calais form. And then, for a Falcon buyer, what's to say they will buy Ford's mid size FWD when Mazda has a great mid size FWD; Subaru has a very well equipped and priced midsize AWD wagon in the Outback that's up 2000+ units on this time last year, a Liberty mid size AWD sedan doing strongly too; Toyota has the all-conquering mid size FWD at a cheaper price, Skoda have a selection of wagons, the Passat mid size FWD also exists and VW is increasing sales and image in the market despite their transmissions. New Passat on the way too. The Malibu and Accord exist in this market as does the slightly smaller Kizashi - it's very crowded. Any Falcon buyers left who will trade in on an SUV like everyone else has, won't look at a mid size FWD anyway. For Falcon buyers there's a lot more choice out there than Mondeo - and for private buyers that were skewed to the turbo 6 and V8, there's Mustang, SS, HSV, performance Germans, Jaguar. I can't see the Falcon ute buyers plumbing for a Mondeo.
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Max power at 5300 & 5400 rpm for the petrol engines and 3500 rpm for the diesel. With that in mind, I'm thinking that at least the final drive ratios might be different. Last edited by 2242100; 12-04-2015 at 10:41 PM. |
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12-04-2015, 10:38 PM | #54 | ||
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13-04-2015, 12:36 AM | #55 | ||
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I had a bit of a look and can't find anything on problems with the new powershift in the mondeos. Unlike early on with them and even the vw version.
But certainly agree with the sentiments about diesels slowly loosing their appeal. From memory Mazda(6) had an even lowwer projected diesel market split then what ford quoted above. |
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I welcome these driver aids, I think they're a great addition and much needed in this day and age to fix or prevent drivers' ****-ups which, believe it or not, happens. No driver is perfect. If there is a system that can help prevent or minimise collisions due to driver error, then there's no reason not to include them because some people like to live in the past. Quote:
What you say is quite right: that there is a lot of choice out there. But that would stand true today even while the Falcon still exists - there are a lot of choices out there that are cheaper and more feature packed than the Falcon for people that buy cars dispassionately. Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, Hyundai Sonata, Subaru Liberty etc are just as much competitors of the Falcon and Commodore as they are of the Mondeo. But just as there are people that will buy Falcon because it's a Falcon, so will there be people, like myself, who will buy Mondeo over its competitors simply because it's a Ford.
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13-04-2015, 07:42 AM | #57 | ||
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Caradvice review:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/347430/2...tch-and-wagon/ Caradvice has quietly snuck up over recent years to be imho pretty much the best car review site (or mags) around. It also helps not having some egotistical pumped up journalists trying to big note themselves! These guys obviously know a lot about cars, but in a quiet, impartial way without bias. |
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13-04-2015, 10:51 AM | #58 | ||
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Not many euros do. My old focus and my ST doesn't have it. It's never bothered me at all.
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13-04-2015, 11:05 AM | #59 | |||
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In central Europe it gets very hot in summer and in winter there's a rather significant need for the heating! I'm surprised that such a feature might be omitted from a Europe-spec Mondeo. It would put them at a competitive disadvantage for one thing. |
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13-04-2015, 11:50 AM | #60 | ||
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Having kids in the rear seat they are long way from the air vents - and with the front driver and passenger seats in the way there is little air flow. Got to remember toddlers and babies and tucked up inside capsules and thick child seats - so can be very warm. Coupled with a big interior and cargo area the air just bakes in the sun. Once a car is travelling its probably ok, but the more air flow the better really.
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