Peugot-Citroen in Talks to Buy Opel Vauxhall. - Page 2

.:4:. · 05-03-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

They really must retire the Commodore name until something from the GM USA RWD Universe becomes available.

I have said that before and agree. The smartest thing ford did was to introduce and establish a replacement before ending the falcon. Righto, the mondeo may not go as good in a straight line or whatever, but atleast it's an established car over here and whilst there is no Miami in it it will suit the family buyers. The go harder people atleast have the mustang to fall back on. Again, it was released before the axe fell on the falcon production. Considering there hasn't been a media influx of conflicting stories of corvettes or camaros being introduced, I'm sticking with the ghia and g6 for the time being.

EBSXR6 · 06-03-2017, 06:14 PM

Accordong to news.com.au done and dusted for 2.2 Billion €

**Fordman1** · 06-03-2017, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EBSXR6

Accordong to news.com.au done and dusted for 2.2 million €

Billion I'd say ?

EBSXR6 · 06-03-2017, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Billion I'd say ?

Yep Billion a typo just edited the original

lari1eye · 06-03-2017, 08:00 PM

Quote from Bossxr8
"Very interesting to see how this will effect Holden now that most of their cars are rebadged opels."
Yes very interesting now the frogs will have control and we have a Peugeot/Citroen/commodore. I wonder were there any contracts signed off on 2018 models? Even more interesting for the Supercars teams. LOL
I owned a little peugeot seven years ago. Handled, economical, just you didn't want to replace a radiator hose. The lower one was snaked through the front chasis rail, wished I had my old Stanza then. Bought my current XR8 soon after.

XRtowcar · 06-03-2017, 09:10 PM

Commodore will still have a lion on the grill.
Just be a Peugeot lion.

P6LTD351 · 06-03-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

They really must retire the Commodore name until something from the GM USA RWD Universe becomes available.

They should retire the Holden name altogether. What is Holden anyway? Nothing without manufacturing. Just an importer sticking their badge on other makers' cars.

Syndrome · 07-03-2017, 08:06 AM

Sold!

http://www.news.com.au/finance/opel-...630645736f2b17

prydey · 07-03-2017, 11:18 AM

How many brands in the automotive world don't actually manufacture any cars themselves?

This will be Holden's position from Oct this year. How many other brands are in the same position?

lra · 07-03-2017, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

How many brands in the automotive world don't actually manufacture any cars themselves? This will be Holden's position from Oct this year. How many other brands are in the same position?

Don't know about car brands, but there are a lot of consumer goods ( foodstuffs ) that are repackaged in Aus ( and NZ ) and promoted as "Made in Aus" until you read the very fine print.
I know that at work, we use a aviation approved fastener that is clearly labelled "Australian made" on the box ( South Aus company ), but we know that they come from Pakistan via USA, and they don't come with a Paki price .
Most new car buyers have no idea where their car is manufactured, so Holdens will always be seen as "Made in Aus .... Somewhere".

roKWiz · 07-03-2017, 12:08 PM

Anyone seen the resale value of Peugot's lately compared to an old Holden.

Windsor220 · 07-03-2017, 01:02 PM

Does anyone think GM will get rid of Holden now? They're a bit redundant. GM wont profit from them and there's no manufacturing to take advantage of.

prydey · 07-03-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lra

Most new car buyers have no idea where their car is manufactured, so Holdens will always be seen as "Made in Aus .... Somewhere".

i think you may have misunderstood. this isn't about brand perception. i was curious if any other brands don't actually make cars.

a ford is a ford anywhere in the world. same with most other brands. holden is unique to australia and from october this year, will no longer manufacture anything, so i'm wondering if there are any other brands that simply badge cars but don't actually make any?

Vesper Martini · 07-03-2017, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Does anyone think GM will get rid of Holden now? They're a bit redundant. GM wont profit from them and there's no manufacturing to take advantage of.

There's plenty of Commodores with Chevy badges anyway. and just order the Daewoos & Opels with Chevy badges.

then there's the rebadged Isuzu's.

Its a bit of a mixed bag

Nikked · 07-03-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

How many brands in the automotive world don't actually manufacture any cars themselves?

This will be Holden's position from Oct this year. How many other brands are in the same position?

Buick?

I'm sure its range is the result of badge engineering.

Vesper Martini · 07-03-2017, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i think you may have misunderstood. this isn't about brand perception. i was curious if any other brands don't actually make cars.

a ford is a ford anywhere in the world. same with most other brands. holden is unique to australia and from october this year, will no longer manufacture anything, so i'm wondering if there are any other brands that simply badge cars but don't actually make any?

I cant think of any, except Holden, there was even a stage where they swapped badges with Australian Toyotas for a while.

the Holden Apollo & Toyota Lexican?

Nikked · 07-03-2017, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Does anyone think GM will get rid of Holden now? They're a bit redundant. GM wont profit from them and there's no manufacturing to take advantage of.

It's a sticky wicket...

Chevrolet would be the only viable name to change to, but, that's at the expense of almost 70 years of brand development and over a 100 years of historical value.

prydey · 07-03-2017, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Buick?

I'm sure its range is the result of badge engineering.

i guess the whole GM empire is a bit like that.

Windsor220 · 07-03-2017, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

It's a sticky wicket...

Chevrolet would be the only viable name to change to, but, that's at the expense of almost 70 years of brand development and over a 100 years of historical value.

I'm not even talking about just the name. GM may move out completely.

Sabantien · 07-03-2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Does anyone think GM will get rid of Holden now? They're a bit redundant. GM wont profit from them and there's no manufacturing to take advantage of.

I think it's a huge possibility. The commodore is the car most synonymous with Holden, and with articles around talking about Holden wanting to 'de-bogan', well, with no Holdens being made in the country anymore, what better way than to ditch the Holden name completely?

Vesper Martini · 07-03-2017, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

I'm not even talking about just the name. GM may move out completely.

I don't think it would ,come to that, there is an extensive dealer network In Australia what better platform to sell imported cars.

What's GM's biggest RHD market? here? since most of the US vehicles only have LHD Platforms

stig_3754 · 07-03-2017, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i think you may have misunderstood. this isn't about brand perception. i was curious if any other brands don't actually make cars.

a ford is a ford anywhere in the world. same with most other brands. holden is unique to australia and from october this year, will no longer manufacture anything, so i'm wondering if there are any other brands that simply badge cars but don't actually make any?

Vauxhall maybe? I've always thought that these days they're just re-badged RHD Opels?

Bossxr8 · 07-03-2017, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Buick?

I'm sure its range is the result of badge engineering.

Buick have their own models, but they do share platforms with other GM products.

Holden have come out and claimed this sale won't effect their current plans. While that may be true in the very short future, it will have a huge impact when the models are due for facelifts and replacement with all new models. Are PSA going to want/let Holden have any input into the cars they make? Or will they say this is what you are getting, you can stick your crappy kitten badge on it and that's it?

asagaai · 07-03-2017, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabantien

I think it's a huge possibility. The commodore is the car most synonymous with Holden, and with articles around talking about Holden wanting to 'de-bogan', well, with no Holdens being made in the country anymore, what better way than to ditch the Holden name completely?

And all that engineering talent- will leave Australia -for overseas opportunity resulting in a brain drain from AUS, less engineers proportional to pollies and a lowering of IQ in Australia....

Sabantien · 07-03-2017, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by asagaai

And all that engineering talent- will leave Australia -for overseas opportunity resulting in a brain drain from AUS, less engineers proportional to pollies and a lowering of IQ in Australia....

Yup.
What does an American company care about that?

Nikked · 07-03-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

I'm not even talking about just the name. GM may move out completely.

Doubt it. Wouldn't make much sense to abandon our market, as long as they keep it profitable.

Syndrome · 07-03-2017, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

How many brands in the automotive world don't actually manufacture any cars themselves?

This will be Holden's position from Oct this year. How many other brands are in the same position?

It will take a number of years before the French influence starts to become noticeable on the Opel products. By that time GM will source cars from other GM plants for Holden.

Vormund · 07-03-2017, 11:59 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/530487/g...o-challenging/

Gotta love this:

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“We have brought the business over the last five years, from a pretty tough spot to a much better place, but as we look forward over the next few years, the regulatory environment, the changing consumer taste and so on in Europe, there was an increasing amount of Europe-unique development that was required.

In other words, Europeans won't buy their rubbish. They already withdrew Chevrolet a while back.

I have a prediction: GM will abandon on the remaining RHD markets in around 8 years, and focus only on US and China.

Vesper Martini · 08-03-2017, 09:23 AM

I've read a few articles to try and work out what's happening with Holden, & as far I can figure out they don't know themselves.

Below hot air article claims Holden will have more options, but doesn't explain how.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...57b13a3f2f4d27

Nikked · 08-03-2017, 10:23 AM

There could be another, more positive side coming out of this.

Holden have a design & engineering center here, it might receive more work...