Severe LPG fuel scarcity from 2021?

[mad2]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

To answer the OPs question, the closure of the Altona refinery, from my understanding, is not likely to have a major impact on LPG supplies:

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coulda sworn that the guy i was taking too at apco [behind the desk] mentioned that the LPG came from Altona?

[Franco Cozzo]

Does an LPG tanker look different from a normal fuel tanker?

I've never seen anything other than the traditional Toll/Linfox fuel tanker refilling a servo.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Does an LPG tanker look different from a normal fuel tanker?

I've never seen anything other than the traditional Toll/Linfox fuel tanker refilling a servo.

You'd notice, as just about all servos LPG tanks are above ground.

[JAZSXY]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Does an LPG tanker look different from a normal fuel tanker?

I've never seen anything other than the traditional Toll/Linfox fuel tanker refilling a servo.

LPG Tanker is a very different setup to Fuel/Petrol Tanker. I drive LPG Tankers for a living.

[JAZSXY]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

You'd notice, as just about all servos LPG tanks are above ground.

Only the small ones mate. 7.5kl and 8kl tanks usually are above ground. Majority of LPG tanks are underground with the petrol tanks. Less exposure to heat and expansion in the ground.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by mad2

coulda sworn that the guy i was taking too at apco [behind the desk] mentioned that the LPG came from Altona?

He may well have. And maybe theirs come from the Altona plant, but that doesn't appear to be where the majority of the ExxonMobil LPG is refined/distributed from.

Originally Posted by JAZSXY

LPG Tanker is a very different setup to Fuel/Petrol Tanker. I drive LPG Tankers for a living.

The majority that I see are white for some reason.

Originally Posted by JAZSXY

Only the small ones mate. 7.5kl and 8kl tanks usually are above ground. Majority of LPG tanks are underground with the petrol tanks. Less exposure to heat and expansion in the ground.

Can't tell you the last time I saw an LPG tank above ground at a servo.

[jstanovic]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

LPG had potential, has a high octane rating, is better out the exhaust, just the application was poor in most cases.

1940s tech mixer ring on modern cars, limiting the air intake to approx 40mm diameter etc.

Super sensitive to ignition system degredation and most average Joe's don't maintain their car properly as it is.

Plus it remaining a black art and a tightly held secret by those in the know have sealed it's fate.

Don’t forget in WA around 05/06, government gave a $1000+ rebate to get lpg fitted to your car. Within the week a lpg conversion cost went from around $2k to $3.5k for my Nissan patrol....

[JAZSXY]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

The majority that I see are white for some reason.

All LPG road tankers and static tanks are painted white. White reflects the most sunlight hence keeping the tanks cooler.

[Yabbie]

Bugger all servo's up here in the N.T have gas anymore, ya can't take the chance to go down the track when you drive a only LPG car/ ute/whatever any more. Bloody Pollies have got no idea of what is happening in the real world.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

He may well have. And maybe theirs come from the Altona plant, but that doesn't appear to be where the majority of the ExxonMobil LPG is refined/distributed from.

who goes Mobil?

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

The majority that I see are white for some reason.

as already mentioned.......

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Can't tell you the last time I saw an LPG tank above ground at a servo.

only problem with below ground tanks .... hot/very hot days you cannot fill your LPG tank. i shiiit you not. there is still a couple of servos around with the tanks above ground.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by mad2

who goes Mobil?

Well, the original question posed at the start of this thread was what would the impact to LPG supplies be of the closure of the Altona refinery (which is owned and operated by ExxonMobil), and you stated that a guy at APCO said they were supplied from Altona. I'm just saying that the majority of lpg supplied by ExxonMobil does not come form the Altona plant.

Personally, I get my lpg from woolies (Caltex), but I have no idea where they source their lpg from.

Hope that clears that up?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by mad2

coulda sworn that the guy i was taking too at apco [behind the desk] mentioned that the LPG came from Altona?

LPG tankers are filled down at Altona refinery as you can see the gas filling depot when driving pass on Kororoit Creek Rd Altona.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How absolutely ridiculous is it that we've lost our last refinery in VIC because its not 'financially viable'

Its a pretty god damn valuable capability to have even if it is expensive.

Melbourne:

But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me the pump ,the oil ,the gasoline ,and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away. I will give you safe passage in the Wasteland. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. I await your answer.

Geelong:

They see me rollin' They hatin'

[TooheyXtra]

But seriously what’s going on? LPG fuel prices have jumped over the past quarter from below .80c now looking at $1.10!!! In my area, is this truly because of summer rates, nearing prices close to unleaded. Might have to reconsider buying a petroleum car soon 😞

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TooheyXtra

But seriously what’s going on? LPG fuel prices have jumped over the past quarter from below .80c now looking at $1.10!!! In my area, is this truly because of summer rates, nearing prices close to unleaded. Might have to reconsider buying a petroleum car soon 😞

I saw 92 cents in Keilor Park yesterday, gotta be the highest I've seen it, its usually around 50% of the price of 91.

[au2000]

How far off is the total shut down of lpg? I thought there was a decision a few years ago to stop selling lpg for vehicles by a certain date.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by TooheyXtra

But seriously what’s going on? LPG fuel prices have jumped over the past quarter from below .80c now looking at $1.10!!! In my area, is this truly because of summer rates, nearing prices close to unleaded. Might have to reconsider buying a petroleum car soon 😞

This will be the major cause:

Originally Posted by AMB

propane prices are predicted to go through the roof, due to supply problems and the usual high demand in northern hemisphere winter.

but supply/demand in Australia will also be a factor, especially given the number of servos that are getting out of supplying lpg when their tanks are up for recertification. Lack of demand drives fewer bowsers, which then drives people away for lpg even more, which decreases demand. Also keep in mind that there will be very few new (to lpg) vehicles coming into the market but there will constantly be those leaving the market. It's a downward spiral, unfortunately.

When I bought my Ecolpi ute two years ago, I was hoping it would see out my working life. I don't think it's going to get anywhere near that...

[b0son]

When falcadores stopped being the choice of cabbies, LPG was doomed.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I saw 92 cents in Keilor Park yesterday, gotta be the highest I've seen it, its usually around 50% of the price of 91.

91 is now $1.84L in Keilor Park, so LPG at 92 cents is cheap again

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

91 is now $1.84L in Keilor Park, so LPG at 92 cents is cheap again

it's 83.9 over here..... 147.9 for unleaded

[GASWAGON]

99.9c today in Warragul.

Wasnt freakin happy.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

99.9c today in Warragul.

Wasnt freakin happy.

we actually have one servo that sells LPG at that price ....... & sells petrol at 159.9