Drivers running from police *VIC*

Originally Posted by 8pAc

WOuld it be possibel to shoot the car with some sort of taser and fry the electrical systems?

2 Fast 2 Furious anyone? lol

No brakes, no steering = more chance of a fatal accident, which could be blamed on the police due to their direct action of removing control of the car... If they were going to do this if would have to be while the car is really slow or stopped

The justice system is stuffed.

Whats stopping a US style box in, for more lengthy pursuits.

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

They say this for legal reasons. In this way they cannot be held accountable for 'contributing' to the accident.

That's not quite correct. The police involved in this will still have months, if not years, before the coroner explaining a few seconds of their life over and over and over again under massive scrutiny. It will effectively place their lives, work and provate, on hold until the coroner hands down a finding, which might take up to 5 years or more. I don't think anyone would want to go through that.

Just saying on the radio "its abandoned" then keeping on going doesn't work. Most police cars now have vehicle locators that will give exact speed and location.

[UNRULY]

Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

Just saying on the radio "its abandoned" then keeping on going doesn't work. Most police cars now have vehicle locators that will give exact speed and location.

An all the do gooders that give statements to investigators saying there either was ao wasn't a car behind the crook at the time of the crash.

[It'sTheVibe]

he was recorded at 100km over the speed limit

I don't think he was recorded at 100kmh over the speed limit, just travelling well above the 100kmh speed limit.

The police really are on a hiding to nothing in such circumstances. As for the driver, along with all the other charges, he should be indicted for criminal stupidity - trying to evade police in a Kia Rio.

Condolensces to the bereaved.

[GCFordChic]

i just hope the guilt of killing the passenger stays with the freakin idiot till the day he dies. i hope he remembers the whole thing and will be tormented for every day he lives with the images of the "accident".

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I guess you didn't read this bit
Christophe Etienne, of Doveton, is charged with culpable driving, dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and two counts of negligently causing a serious injury.

This kid doesn't desearve a car!

regardless of wether he deserved the car or not, the thought of having your car impounded or confiscated is hardly an incentive to pull over

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

regardless of wether he deserved the car or not, the thought of having your car impounded or confiscated is hardly an incentive to pull over

Well tell that to the 17yo's parents that died in the crash a car that might be impounded for a short while is more important than thier sons life.
He has lost a mate his car & is facing charges I gather the insurance won't pay for the cars damage & he could face jail time for not pulling over & copping a fine & lost of licence for a short period. In the end he has made the wrong decision.

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by GCFordChic

i just hope the guilt of killing the passenger stays with the freakin idiot till the day he dies. i hope he remembers the whole thing and will be tormented for every day he lives with the images of the "accident".

But it wont as he will blame the death on the police!

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

regardless of wether he deserved the car or not, the thought of having your car impounded or confiscated is hardly an incentive to pull over

what a strange thing to say.......

[banarcus]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

The prerequesite for a good war story.
:

[iCat]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

regardless of wether he deserved the car or not, the thought of having your car impounded or confiscated is hardly an incentive to pull over

You're kidding me?

[Bobman]

Despite the jokers here, Interceptor is right. Some people would attempt to outrun or evade police if being pulled over resulted in their car being impounded.

Pursuits are on the rise, but usually these are associated with drunk drivers or stolen cars (I can remember at least a dozen in the past month in Melbourne).

[iCat]

Do people really honestly believe that if you try to outrun the coppers, and are supposedly successful, that they won't be paying the owner a personal visit in the near future?

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by 211

Do people really honestly believe that if you try to outrun the coppers, and are supposedly successful, that they won't be paying the owner a personal visit in the near future?

No, but usually if the car is stolen and gets away the person is still at large.

In other cases if a static police car is lasering on a freeway at night time, for example and a car speeds past, if the vehicle eludes the police by means of turning off headlights etc then how would the officer's know the rego?

One such case happened in Frankston, but the driver actually handed himself in, funny that.

The majority of the time, the offender is captured, especially if the Air Wing and/or K9 are involved, although the air wing is sometimes unavailable.

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Does anyone know if they still do Helicopter Speed Checks around Mornington Peninsula & Plenty Road, North of South Morang?

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Despite the jokers here, Interceptor is right. Some people would attempt to outrun or evade police if being pulled over resulted in their car being impounded.

Pursuits are on the rise, but usually these are associated with drunk drivers or stolen cars (I can remember at least a dozen in the past month in Melbourne).

No way.
Car impoundment does not justify the death of a friend. No way. No one should look at outrunning the police, this is not a playstation game, people will die. The recent event proves this.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I guess you didn't read this bit
Christophe Etienne, of Doveton, is charged with culpable driving, dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and two counts of negligently causing a serious injury.

This kid doesn't desearve a car!

Yes you got it....

The KID......was faced with a decission and chose to do a runner. Bad choice but sometimes choices appear different from other's views.

E.G. your choice, 3 people have to die to save millions....
Those 3 are convicted child molesters.... easy decission.
Those 3 are your family.... not quite so easy.

Has anyone here never made a silly decission?....thought not....

The laws are getting beyond silly.

Do not blame the police, their job is to uphold the law, they do not make the law. Many do not always agree with a law but enforce it because that is their duty.

Blame the pathetic attempt at a government and their lobby groups.

Is this the first death due to hoon laws?
Why was the car being chased?
Was it fleeing from a murder or armed robbery?
Or was it fleeing from a burnout or donut?

The dead passenger doesn't care. His family doesn't care. His friends don't care. They just want it to not have happened.

If this pursuit was due to hoon laws then the laws are wrong and their supporters responsible for an innocent death.

/rant

[cuz]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes you got it....

The KID......was faced with a decission and chose to do a runner. Bad choice but sometimes choices appear different from other's views.

E.G. your choice, 3 people have to die to save millions....
Those 3 are convicted child molesters.... easy decission.
Those 3 are your family.... not quite so easy.

Has anyone here never made a silly decission?....thought not....

The laws are getting beyond silly.

Do not blame the police, their job is to uphold the law, they do not make the law. Many do not always agree with a law but enforce it because that is their duty.

Blame the pathetic attempt at a government and their lobby groups.

Is this the first death due to hoon laws?
Why was the car being chased?
Was it fleeing from a murder or armed robbery?
Or was it fleeing from a burnout or donut?

The dead passenger doesn't care. His family doesn't care. His friends don't care. They just want it to not have happened.

If this pursuit was due to hoon laws then the laws are wrong and their supporters responsible for an innocent death.

/rant

No. Don't blame the laws if he was running from a burnout. Blame the driver for breaking the law and fleeing to escape penalty.
We all know about the new hoon laws, as we all know about the speed limits. If you choose to break a law, accept the punishment if your caught.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by horangi

No. Don't blame the laws if he was running from a burnout. Blame the driver for breaking the law and fleeing to escape penalty.
We all know about the new hoon laws, as we all know about the speed limits. If you choose to break a law, accept the punishment if your caught.

You completely miss the point......

Sitting back and thinking about it later is a lot different to making a decission under pressure.

The penalty for this CRIME is far too high. Confiscation of your most valuable asset (for a 20 year old a car usually that) for doing something silly is not what should happen in a country that believes it is free.


How about confiscation for speeding or parking badly or being unroadworthy or modifying a car.... all just as big a crime as doing a burnout.......

If you think that the hoon laws are sensible well thought and fair out legislation then I suspect you might be here under false pretences.

Not long ago (25 years or so), my little brother at the age of 18 thought he was clever and grew three dope plants next to a creek near our house. He was caught. Although he was not planning to sell the dope just bignote himself with his dropkick mates, the law in QLD at the time was MANDATORY LIFE INPRISONMENT for posession of trafficable quantities of cannibus. The plants were about 30cm tall but 3 plants was concidered trafficable.
He was lucky. The magistrate saw that he was just a silly teenager and as he had no previous charges or convictions the charge was reduced to weight (2ozs) and instead of spending 15 years behind bars he was fined and released. After that he got an apprenticeship, became a builder, employs 6 people and has raised a family with fine children who are doing well in their lives.
A lot better than a 15 year apprenticeship in criminallity.....

That was also a stupid law because he was concidered to be the same as someone caught with 5 tonnes of heroin.
N.B. that law was revoked and replaced with new ones that are a lot more sensible.

In the same way these stupid hoon laws make no differenciation between doing a burnout in the middle of nowhere on a back road and drag racing at 100km/h in fron of a school at 3pm.

THEY ARE STUPID LAWS made by IGNORENT PEOPLE........

[T_Terror]

Originally Posted by horangi

No. Don't blame the laws if he was running from a burnout. Blame the driver for breaking the law and fleeing to escape penalty.
We all know about the new hoon laws, as we all know about the speed limits. If you choose to break a law, accept the punishment if your caught.

No way. The new laws only serve to make a bad situation worse by making running from police a viable option for those offenders. He was running becuase he didnt have a licence which is a "confiscation offence", yeah hes a d i c k but so many people drive unlicenced, esp now, that its not funny.


And to all those people saying how its near impossible to escape a police pursuit, im my local paper in the crime stoppers section was a bit about a car chase that was on a main rd next to me.

"The chase was called off after speeds reached as high as 97kmh in a 60 zone and police were appealing for information."

Ive known people who've pulled a runner in their time, there are plenty of tricks and advantages to make a getaway possible. The cops are good but their not THAT good.
You'll find its mostly dumb s h i t s who run most of the time though, who end up stacking on the first corner (like that guy who stacked at a roundabout which he drove past every day).

[cuz]

Originally Posted by flappist

You completely miss the point......

Sitting back and thinking about it later is a lot different to making a decission under pressure.

The penalty for this CRIME is far too high. Confiscation of your most valuable asset (for a 20 year old a car usually that) for doing something silly is not what should happen in a country that believes it is free.


How about confiscation for speeding or parking badly or being unroadworthy or modifying a car.... all just as big a crime as doing a burnout.......

If you think that the hoon laws are sensible well thought and fair out legislation then I suspect you might be here under false pretences.

Not long ago (25 years or so), my little brother at the age of 18 thought he was clever and grew three dope plants next to a creek near our house. He was caught. Although he was not planning to sell the dope just bignote himself with his dropkick mates, the law in QLD at the time was MANDATORY LIFE INPRISONMENT for posession of trafficable quantities of cannibus. The plants were about 30cm tall but 3 plants was concidered trafficable.
He was lucky. The magistrate saw that he was just a silly teenager and as he had no previous charges or convictions the charge was reduced to weight (2ozs) and instead of spending 15 years behind bars he was fined and released. After that he got an apprenticeship, became a builder, employs 6 people and has raised a family with fine children who are doing well in their lives.
A lot better than a 15 year apprenticeship in criminallity.....

That was also a stupid law because he was concidered to be the same as someone caught with 5 tonnes of heroin.
N.B. that law was revoked and replaced with new ones that are a lot more sensible.

In the same way these stupid hoon laws make no differenciation between doing a burnout in the middle of nowhere on a back road and drag racing at 100km/h in fron of a school at 3pm.

THEY ARE STUPID LAWS made by IGNORENT PEOPLE........

Read my post. I never said that the hoon laws are well thought out, nor did I agree with them. You can suspect what you like about me but the fact of the matter is that regardless of the reason, the bloke made a choice between maybe losing his vehicle or trying to get away. He chose to run and killed someone.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by horangi

Read my post. I never said that the hoon laws are well thought out, nor did I agree with them. You can suspect what you like about me but the fact of the matter is that regardless of the reason, the bloke made a choice between maybe losing his vehicle or trying to get away. He chose to run and killed someone.

Yes, but WHY did he choose to run?????

[cuz]

I dunno. But regardless of what me and you think, its a tragic outcome.

[GCFordChic]

someone stated he was unlicenced, maybe this was as much on his mind as the 'hoon' laws. at the end of the day this guy is a t*sser, i dont think we should speculate as to how much the hoon laws were influencing his decisions, hell in a split second decision i doubt he thought of section blah subsection blah blah of the laws. He went 'crap i did something wrong, i dont have a licence, i dont want to go to jail, i know ill outrun the police!!!!'

[AC/DC]

The police are there for a reason, , they are there to enforce the LAW.

It is against the LAW to run from the police, I think police should be able to shoot at cars that run from them.

That would stop people running from the police.

AC/DC

[feebs]

PLEASE.. go to Jail..

Mate of mine lived here for five years, was from the UK and did not have a license, (not even over there.)

Had an accident, no one was hurt, had to pay 1900 for the other car.

The TOTAL police fine for the incident was $200, he went home 18 months later having never paid that fine, and they never bothered to come after him.

ALL poeple are worried about now is losing their car, and if you are being stupid enough to get caught, you probably deserve it!

[VSSII]

This is why society is going down the gurgler these days.

People find it so easy to blame somebody else for their own actions when it all goes pear shaped. How you can justify risking your life and those of your passengers by running from the law (to the tune of over 100 in a 50 zone) beggars belief. So what if he's going to lose his car. BIG DEAL!!! He knew the risks. They are pretty basic laws and he chose to ignore them. It's just sad that the passenger in the scare chair is normally the one that pays the ultimate price. Not that the driver cared. He left them to die and ran away like the coward he was.

You can blame the police all you want but at the end of the day everything they say on police radio is recorded and will be presented at Court. Simple as that. It was something like 60 seconds after they ended the pursuit the collission occurred. That is a bloody long time in police pursuits. Mandatory sentencing will never be introduced whilst we have such left wing Magistrates but a new offence similar to "Use weapon to avoid apprehension" (which already exists) would be a big help!

Well.. that and people behaving like adults and taking responsibility for their actions!!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

Just saying on the radio "its abandoned" then keeping on going doesn't work. Most police cars now have vehicle locators that will give exact speed and location.

I'm amazed that no one here owns a scanner, if they did they'd know that it's not the car that calls the pursuit off it's the radio room. Appox every 30secs during the pursuit the highway car has to give it's location,direction, speed, road conditions, weather conditions, and traffic conditions.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

To clarify my point, i'm not blaming the cops for this. Anyone who tries to outrun them gets what they deserve. Just making an observation that everytime this happens they always claim to have called off the chase right before it happens to avoid the spotlight.

Which can be backed up by anyone listening with a scanner. Usually ALL media outlets as well as towies, truckies and joe public.

FWIW, I heard one chase where the top speed was never above the legal posted limit, the car just did'nt want to stop and the cops could'nt run him off the road to stop him, all they could do was follow him with lights and siren going. They eventually gave up the chase and went around to his house to wait for him to get home.

Another 'high speed' chase I heard was around a paddock full of grape vines, top speed 40kmh, after lapping the paddock 3 times the 2nd police car arrived and blocked the only exit. Cops had trouble radioing the usuals as they were laughing too much

[Silver Ghia]

Drivers running from police and killing someone should take the full consequences, whether the chase was called off or not.

What is this world coming to when the police have to defend their actions when trying to apprehend an idiot likely to kill someone if not stopped?

Unfortunately too often now, the media catches on to parents outbursts against the police which further deteriorates the whole situation.

[HOON69]

the driver is at fault 100% i wont dispute that fact,but i also find it hilarious they always make the statement "police called off the dispute"
so i guess once they turn off the lights etc then its chase over is it?
i dont believe that part of the story but i do agree that ppl take risks over little things and they end up paying for it in the long run.

its not worth running ppl's.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by horangi

Read my post. I never said that the hoon laws are well thought out, nor did I agree with them. You can suspect what you like about me but the fact of the matter is that regardless of the reason, the bloke made a choice between maybe losing his vehicle or trying to get away. He chose to run and killed someone.

Yes but you seem to think breaking the speed limit requires harsh punishment, or am I wrong?