Furious! Does anybodys word mean anything anymore! - Page 2

schmidty · 02-08-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EF302

looks nice, how bads the damage(pic). glad u finally got it home home through the hills, sounds like a hell of a drive. those roads are crap heylol. what was the end price, if u dont mind telling?

Here's the damage.

Its been to 3 panel beaters today, all said its a very good repairer and should come up well. Even thinking about giving it to the missus now and selling her car. She'll be stepping down about 6 years and a bit of money, but i'll have more fun it it and like seeing it in the driveway more than her astra!

OLDFORDNUT · 02-08-2006, 10:16 PM

i just went through all this with my XA GT,sold to Forum member for $10000,offered over $14K same arvo and told them sorry its sold,i was really on the edge though as it was very tempting. but at least i know its going to be restored properly.

EF302 · 02-08-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by schmidty

Here's the damage.

Its been to 3 panel beaters today, all said its a very good repairer and should come up well. Even thinking about giving it to the missus now and selling her car. She'll be stepping down about 6 years and a bit of money, but i'll have more fun it it and like seeing it in the driveway more than her astra!

yeah, doesnt look to bad, headlights still intact buy the looks of it, should come up good.

LUXO_8 · 02-08-2006, 11:30 PM

schmidty, if that headlight is broken give me a hollar... i repair headlights and i could very well do you a good deal to fix it....

schmidty · 03-08-2006, 12:06 AM

Head lights are sweet thanks. Got a couple of el lights that are yellowed but otherwise fine that i'd like to get you to check out if you're interested.

Originally bought it to grab some parts off to put on my little brothers EL wagon and flog the rest off. The guy crashed it, had no insurance, and was given a big quote to fix it and had no money to do so. When i got to bowral to pick it up, i saw some potential, and now looking like the plans are changing.

Needed a new radiator support panel and the rhs skirt back to the front join on the strut. Picking those parts up for $150 tomorrow.

Also a new air bag, got 1 today for $60,

just need a bonnet, rhs front guard, and an indicator.

Front needs a slight pull in the jig, so got a panel beater whos doing work on a few of mates cars who's going to all of the radiator support panel and skirt, and pull the front back for $700 if i strip the front end, which is about a third of 1 guys estimate! It'll all be spot welded back on, and ready for me to bolt everything back on. If it comes up nicely and the wife can be convinced she'd like it heaps more than her 2001 Astra CD then it may stay in my driveway and i can come on some e series cruises! Ha.
Took it for a drive before and i almost think it goes better than my ute! I think i'm hooked!

Ringo · 03-08-2006, 08:42 AM

Sounds like its working out well Schmidty and your already moving on!

Buying my first car I had the same experience as others here. Was a Laser (the amazer) and the owner was a sweet girl in Oakleigh. We like the car and agreed on a price and said to her it was sold subject to an RACV check clearing the car of any major mechanical defect. She agreed to all of this. I was dreaming on my new car. She calls back a few days later and said that her brother told her she should be able to get another $500 for the car so was going to readvertise it.....WTF? We walked, found another Laser (the amazer) and bought that one instead.....hers was still in the paper

Mrs Ringo and I went and looked at a car 2 months ago. Not a Ford but don't hold against me. Nice car, guy desperate to sell and had in fact dropped the price on the phone with me. This car was looking like good value. When we got to the guys house the first thing he says is "Got someone else interested in the car and they have left an offer....just letting you know" We say OK, look over the car and decide that it is not the car for us so I say the guy, not for us mate so your free to accept the other offer. This guy was saying he off overseas....but wow 2 weeks later the car is still advertised...even for less than he was offering it to me.....

I have never *****ed anyone around when selling a car and in fact have gone out of my way for them but I have been lucky overall I guess. It is to hard, to expensive and time consuming to screw people around. Do you want to sell the car or not? It's the buyers that have the power.

Ringo · 03-08-2006, 08:44 AM

Do you get the last laugh if you fix this car up for heaps less than it was going to cost the other guy and get the car going again?

Can you trust that the airbag will go off again? Are the seat belt pretensioners and airbag systems reusable like this?

schmidty · 03-08-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Do you get the last laugh if you fix this car up for heaps less than it was going to cost the other guy and get the car going again?

Can you trust that the airbag will go off again? Are the seat belt pretensioners and airbag systems reusable like this?

Yeah hopefully i'll walk away with the last laugh, but we'll wait and see. As far as i'm concerned and from what i've been told everything will be fine once it has been replaced, and should work as new.

jd dad · 03-08-2006, 11:13 PM

Better to be straight up I reckon. Was selling my old work hack HQ Statesman 308 yrs back and had two girls about 18/19 I`d say come to look at it. They were standing there talking about doing this and that to it to fix it up. Told them I wouldnt sell it to them if they were going to try and fix it up as it was good for mechanicals only. Body was good for scrap and thats about it, they looked at me strange and asked if I was fair dinkum.

kooky · 04-08-2006, 02:06 AM

I once tried to sell a car, was a great little car 5 door echo minimal kays perfect condition, I mean absolutley perfect it had done 40k kms IIRC and not a single mark in it, barely a stone chip.

After the various no shows etc had a young lady ring a couple of times about the car and over 4 months of trying to sell the car dropped the price by around 4k over that time. So she had sat back and watched the price drop.

She rings and says she will be around at 2 but asks if we will drop the price another 1k, sight unseen at this stage. We agree as we really just wanted to offload the car at that stage but strictly said we will go no further on price.

She shows up 2 1/2 hrs late with a male friend who goes over the car with a fine tooth comb, no problem it's perfect as I mentioned.

After the test drive he starts trying to negotiate a further $500 off the price as he deemed the tyres to be unroadworthy and that would be the replacement cost + a new windscreen etc.... My blood started to boil fairly quickly I mentioned that we would not be budging on price aggreed to earlier.

He starts to go on about another car they have already inspected (the reason they were 2 1/2hrs late) that he insisted he could get cheaper than ours, and he then mentioned it was a 3 door not a 5 door version........POW!!! I told him not to insult me and politely showed them the front door......

Good news is about 3 weeks later we had a lovely young couple drive all the way from Shepparton to Mornington and did not even try to haggle on the price. the young girl was over the moon and we even had the car serviced before she picked it up a week later.

Ended up getting near 2K more than what this idiot tried to offer.

schmidty · 04-08-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kooky

I once tried to sell a car, was a great little car 5 door echo minimal kays perfect condition, I mean absolutley perfect it had done 40k kms IIRC and not a single mark in it, barely a stone chip.

After the various no shows etc had a young lady ring a couple of times about the car and over 4 months of trying to sell the car dropped the price by around 4k over that time. So she had sat back and watched the price drop.

She rings and says she will be around at 2 but asks if we will drop the price another 1k, sight unseen at this stage. We agree as we really just wanted to offload the car at that stage but strictly said we will go no further on price.

She shows up 2 1/2 hrs late with a male friend who goes over the car with a fine tooth comb, no problem it's perfect as I mentioned.

After the test drive he starts trying to negotiate a further $500 off the price as he deemed the tyres to be unroadworthy and that would be the replacement cost + a new windscreen etc.... My blood started to boil fairly quickly I mentioned that we would not be budging on price aggreed to earlier.

He starts to go on about another car they have already inspected (the reason they were 2 1/2hrs late) that he insisted he could get cheaper than ours, and he then mentioned it was a 3 door not a 5 door version........POW!!! I told him not to insult me and politely showed them the front door......

Good news is about 3 weeks later we had a lovely young couple drive all the way from Shepparton to Mornington and did not even try to haggle on the price. the young girl was over the moon and we even had the car serviced before she picked it up a week later.

Ended up getting near 2K more than what this idiot tried to offer.

When i was selling my toy hiluxi had a guy come down from shep to look at it. Was 4 hours late. Had it advertised for 12k, he offered me 7 and said thats all it was worth. I said to him that i was pretty ticked that he ruined my day ( missus birthday, was supposed to meet her for lunch!!) then insulted me with an offer like that. Told him if he's so tight for cash, maybe he should take $2.50 of his $7k and buy a new trading post and shop for something in his price range. When he got home he sent me a really abusive email. To which i replied "when i get my 12k, i'll email you a copy of the reciept! So 2 weeks later, i sold it for $11,800 and emailed him a copy of the reciept! never heard back. Then i get an email from the dudes dad saying how they just picked up a great mazda bravo twin cab, dual fuel with cd player, 2 wheel drive, same age for $7k. He was trying to compare this to my 4wd space cab hilux with a brand new crate motor, 2 brand new diff centers, new starter motor and alternator, extractors, body lift, suspension lift, alloys, big alloy roll bar and alloy winch bar with 4 nice big chrome spotties on the roll bar and 2 good driving lights on the bull bar, uhf, $1000 pioneer cd player, alarm, alloy side steps, snorkel, and a new set of 32' cooper st's! The guy was on drugs! mine was a bargain! I love buying and selling cars! U meet some top people, and some tools!

brendo83 · 30-08-2007, 04:32 PM

Had a very similar situation myself, went to look at a kit car which was advertised at 10k ono, after test driving it was happy to offer the full 10k straight up, he then proceeded to tell me someone had already looked at it a few days earlier and offered 10k so I'd need to offer more if I wanted it.

I mulled it over for a couple of days and decided to offer another grand on top, this was above the going rate at the time, but I'd seen many of these cars over the years, none as well build and maintained as this one (had done 3000kms in 20 years).

He got back to me a week later and told me the other buyer had offered 12k, I offered 12.5k, then finally 13.5k.
He then had the nerve to tell me he was getting annoyed with all the back and forth and if he'd wanted an auction he'd have put it on ebay, he told me if the other guy offered more then he was just going to sell it to him, 13.5k was my limit and luckily for me it was more than the other guy was willing to pay.

Then when I asked if I could pick the car up the next week he told me he had decided to hang on to it for a couple more months as he was having so much fun driving it again, but it was mine after then.
I told him I needed a guarantee he would sell the car to me and not screw me if a higher offer came along, as I was looking at another one which I would have to let go, he said he couldn't make a guarantee, he wasn't going to re-advertise but if a higher offer came along he'd have to consider it.

I ended up going with the other car, and later found out the other buyer didn't want to wait either and bought another one. head off the grapevine that he sold it a couple months later for the original 10k, so he screwed me out of the car I really wanted and himself out of over 3 grand!!! idiot.

Grum · 30-08-2007, 04:54 PM

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not too much damage there. go the e series

LeadFoot81 · 30-08-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearman

You try to do the right thing and you get screwed.

Bingo! theres a lesson in that for all of us! Be very careful who you go out of your way for, that's unfortunately the way it is

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edit: how many more people have been burnt since this thread was started lol

XR06T · 30-08-2007, 05:15 PM

got alot more patience than me brendo!!

no way i would ever pay more for something than the original asking price!

steamin63 · 30-08-2007, 06:22 PM

sadly guys the only person you can trust is yourself. family, friends, workmates it doesn't matter when push comes to shove you will get screwed.

bArNsY · 30-08-2007, 06:58 PM

Thread digger!

PS: schmidty i haven't seen you in a while, whats the latest with the blue beast

MoreHPformyXR6 · 30-08-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by schmidty

Personally, i've done money before as to not break an agreement. I sold a car, and was offered 1k more for it the day after i shook hands on it with someone else. I said to the guy as apealing as is offer was, i entered into an agreement with someone else by handshake, and i had to keep my word.

If i wanted to buy a car at auction, i'd go to the auctions! If i wanted to sell a car at auction, i'd sell it on ebay!

Me to schmidty when I sold my VH V8 SLE for $8500 (I advertised it for $8500) & had taken a $500 deposit on it Saturday morning with the agreement of a bank cheque for the balance on Monday to a women from Maccasfield. A guy had driven from Two Wells about 90 mins from my place with his son & arrived about 5mins after the Maccasfield woman had left. I said sorry mate the car was sold to the first person that looked at it & id taken a deposit (it was immaculate & one of my all time favorites). He said can he & his son have a look I said sure. He thae said could I take him round the block I said ok as he had driven 90 mins to see it. He loved it & offered me 10K cash there & then. I said sorry but its sold & I have a handshake agrement. I took his number & said if the other buyer didnt come up with the bank cheque Monday as we agreed he could have it. Bank cheque arrived Monday as agreed.

GK · 30-08-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iCat

"In a world where dishonesty is universal, to tell the truth is revolutionary".
George Orwell

Good quote, here's another that I like.

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no!"
Jesus

GK

Interceptor · 30-08-2007, 08:39 PM

on the other side of the coin, when i bought my sprint last year, it had been advertised for $11k, i looked it over and offered the guy 9k, seller said that there was someone else coming to look at it the next day, but he'd phone me if the guy couldnt match my offer..... i got the call, and i got the sprint :-D other guy wouldnt go past $8500!

bumped into the ex owner a few months down the track, he was still regretting selling it, but pleased that it was being enjoyed...... he said he had the impression the other guy was gonna put it on gas and use it as a work hack.....

pauljh74 · 30-08-2007, 10:56 PM

When I got my EL XR6, I initially offered a holding deposit subject to a satisfactory RACV inspection. He wouldn't take a deposit and we did not settle on a price. I got the inspection done and found a couple of issues that I wouldn't expect on a 2.5 year old car. It appeared he did the minimum required regarding maintenance, fitted el-cheapo crap tyres to the rear etc, so I knocked him down from $25000 to $23500. He was about as happy about that as one would expect, but agreed over the phone. I rang back to get the VIN number for the VSR certificate and I reckon his missus had been in his ear. He said his wife really liked the head unit in the stereo and wanted to take it out. I wasn't happy about that, then he asked for another $400, but as we had nothing in writing, I didn't want him to make anything from the car "disappear". So I offered him another $200, no more to keep the peace as I had already paid for an inspection, and he agreed. Got the car almost 7 years ago and have been pretty happy. Turned out the stalling problem it had when I bought it was a sticking butterfly that my mechanic fixed with an aerosol of silicon spray in a few minutes. Simple things like that should be seen to before it goes on sale. Otherwise it says to the buyer that the owner doesn't look after the car.

I recommend insisting on a holding deposit and getting in writing the price and terms, eg RWC and professional inspection deemed satisfactory by the purchaser. Probably a good way to protect the sale.

Rodp · 30-08-2007, 11:42 PM

Grew up was taught to believe that your word was your bond. Those that don't believe it to be says a lot about the kind of person they are.

Van D · 31-08-2007, 12:01 AM

Ok, this IS an old thread guys, but seeing it's been well and truly mined and harvested..

I understand where you're coming from Schmidty.. When I went to pick up my XT wagon in Sydney (from s/e melb) I had doubts in the back of my mind the whole way if the car was still there! I had rung the guy heaps and gone over pictures and conditions of the car with him etc, offered on numerous times to put down a deposit and gave him my word that I would come up in a week to pick it up.
Then after that last call confirming everything, the next call and I think an e-mail mentioned that if someone walked up to him with cash in hand, he'd have to take it! This was on the Thursday before I went up there, which was on a saturday. I told him i'd already taken out a small loan to cover costs (my previous car had been written off, STILL haven't got the payout >.<) and it had just cleared, i'd offered to send a deposit AND he had my word. Then he wants a deposit put in on the Friday, even though he wouldn't get it in his account until Monday AFTER I picked up the car!

Skipped the deposit in the end and drove up asap. Glad I did though, was a bloody great trip up with a friend (coming back without swapping drivers wasn't so fun), stayed at a motel on the way back and got the best pizza ever, and now I have an old falc in the driveway :P

Gotta keep ya wits about ya though!

uranium_death · 31-08-2007, 01:45 PM

Speaking of pricks, back in 2000 when we sold the XF, finding buyers was not particularly easy.

We had many people come to take a look at it, but an XF wagon is not the most driveable car in the world. Was big and encumbering, but still towered really bloody well.

We had one bloke from Mount Waverley come along for an inspection. We welcomed that. He takes a look at it. Advertised price was for 3000, then down to 2800. He offers $2500 for it, but before so, asked for the service history. We provided it, proving it had never missed a service in 13 years.

He then says he will sleep on it and contact us back the next week regarding his decision. His closing statement that day was, "If I buy the car, then there better not be any problems because if there is, I live in Mount Waverley, and I'll be around."

We serviced it the best we could. You buy a 13 year old car, you get a lottery. We did all we could.

Some people are just jerks. You spend 2.5k on a car, you cannot expect a car that is fully reliable.

Riksta · 31-08-2007, 02:54 PM

I bought my AU from a dealer, looked at it & test drove it on a Tuesday night, did up the contract and everything but wasn't prepared to sign for it on the spot, I asked the dealer if I could have a day or so just to REALLY think it over before signing it. He allowed me this without a deposit or anything, as I was going through their finance to buy the car if I signed.

I think he knew I was pretty keen on the car, and I pretty well had every intention of purchasing it, so I don't think the phone call the next day was sneaky tactics. Dealer knew I was going to head down on the Wednesday night and sign the contract and stuff, he called me Wednesday arvo saying he just saw one of the other guys go out in the car with a customer for a test drive who also seemed keen on it, so if he faxed me the contract could I sign it and get it back to him ASAP - so I did. The rest, they say, is history, and almost six months on I'm still happy as hell with the car.

If it was him being sneaky to get the contract signed earlier, he was just wasting his time because I would have done it a few hours later anyhow.

And I can honestly say I would probably buy from the same dealership again, they bent over backwards to help me get the finance and everything.

cowboy · 31-08-2007, 10:03 PM

Reminds me of the post I put up a while back where I ordered a brand new XR8 ute, signed the contract, paid my deposit only to be rung by the dealer a few hours later and have them jack the price up $6500. Told them to f^*k off.

There are still some of us who are old school, whose word is final. Everyone else should have to wear a sign!