Now this is a Toyota I WILL be buying. - Page 2

**Mechan1k** · 30-03-2007, 02:08 PM

True ... Ford did kind of have a competitor ... but since the F250/F350 was taken off the market ... that was the end of that.

Fairlane · 30-03-2007, 02:18 PM

I think Toyota have got it right here

The latte drinkers can have they're Prado's, Rav4's and 200 Series Lancruisers, but this new 70s series is a work machine- capets are useless and fancy dashes are not easy to mount cb's on. The return of the wagon is a pretty big thing and will put a huge dent in Landrover Defender sales. You only have to look at the resale of the 70 series ute's to see that is plenty of demand out there.

New motor sounds good to the old 4.2 was really past its useby date, about the only thing i think it needs is an Auto transmission option (5 speed say), but then again it probably isnt necessary.

ltd · 30-03-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JBomb3000

We have blown 2 gear box's in 260,000 kms in one of our GU 4.2 TD Partol Utes.

You should try using the clutch then; might help..... Nah just kidding.
These things will sell like hotcakes. Sayonara Nissan Patrol, you are about to become extinct in the outback.

Skooter · 30-03-2007, 03:50 PM

Don't waste your money on buying a factory turbo diesel, buy a standard diesel and put an after market kit on, this is what we have done to the 100 series with no internal mods just basically the turbo hanging off the side its runs on standard ecu and for about 6 grand we have a 68%power increase.

It is a fact the new gearboxes are duds, my mate owns a large gearbox service, exchange centre here in Perth. The 80 series boxes ARE bullet proof this is why we are going to put on in and is the same reason why the guys that do the 6.5l chev conversions put them behind these engines in 100 series'. b

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

You should try using the clutch then; might help..... Nah just kidding.
These things will sell like hotcakes. Sayonara Nissan Patrol, you are about to become extinct in the outback.

I have heard that Nissan are working a V8 diesel of their own. This car might appeal to the family of roader that spends more time in town and has more creature comforts. As I said, this car seems to have raised the bar quite a bit. Good times ahead.

Poetic Justice · 30-03-2007, 04:28 PM

Ok I can tell you having driven both a Hilux diesel and the LC70 diesel today that the LC70 certainly has bucket loads more torque/power to it than the Hilux.

Not much in first gear in either them, they have a sheer habit for making good power through second gear though..

melon466 · 30-03-2007, 04:49 PM

Two words, GROUND CLEARANCE!!!!!! The Toyota has twice the ground claerance as the Patrol, the spring mounts on the leaf rear patrols are about 6 inches off the ground, lower than the diff centre and bottom out everywhere. As for Toyotas weak gear boxes, the turbos use the H151 box compared to the weaker R150 in the N/A versioin. From experience, and trust me I drive these things in the desert every day, the Toyota is worth every cent. The Patrols are made for the weekend warriors who see rough terrain 3 or 4 times a year.

**Falcon Coupe** · 30-03-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Yep, the torque kick's in at 1200 rpm and stays all the way to 3200rpm. Most people that dont understand to relationship between torque and KW's will think that is it gutless.

My 2.5 litre Nissan 4 cylinder TD has 403 nm, 430 is very average for a V8 TD.

GXL078 · 30-03-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

What a terrible vehicle. It looks like it was designed to drive in the bush or something.

How am I supposed to cruise around the inner city in my "designer series" Crocodile Dundee outfit and travel to "The Outback" (an nice metro wine bar I frequent) or wander up and down the freeway blocking the fast lane so everyone can see how hot I look if it does not have a MP3 capable stereo or dual zone aircon or imported leather seats or colour keyed interior or dual cooled vodka cruiser holders with fake beer tin exteriors?

Obviously not a vehicle for the serious 4WD enthusiest market.......

LOL, We went to Balmoral (Sydney Harbour) today. That's the most 4WDs Ive ever seen in one place, all driven by nob women with pseudo English accents. Only 35 mins from Blacktown now the Lane Cove tunnel is open and free.

JBomb3000 · 30-03-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

You should try using the clutch then; might help..... Nah just kidding.
These things will sell like hotcakes. Sayonara Nissan Patrol, you are about to become extinct in the outback.

I always wondered what that "extra" pedal was for

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Blew 5th gear both times, after the first one it was "suggested" that we may have been lugging it down to much in 5th gear, they still repared it under warranty though. So after that 5th was only used above 2000 RPM and never under load and the next one did the same thing

: But to Nissan's credit they also replaced the second box despited being well outside warranty.

Miller · 30-03-2007, 05:14 PM

I know that if I wanted to go out 4wding, I would certainly not be taking a territory ghia, I would not be taking a prado, a landcruiser, a range rover, or any of these other sorry excuses for four wheel drives. That thing is built to do what a four wheel drive is supposed to do.

Citric GT · 30-03-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Miller

That thing is built to do what a four wheel drive is supposed to do.

Move 2.3 kids around the suburbs?

melon466 · 30-03-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

My 2.5 litre Nissan 4 cylinder TD has 403 nm, 430 is very average for a V8 TD.

True, but the Cruiser gets it at 1200 rpm not 2000 like the Nissan, much better torque band for carrying heavy loads.

jarridtheruler · 30-03-2007, 08:15 PM

Is it the same gearbox as the old cruiser ute?
We used to blow these gearboxes up all the time at work, along with a lot of diffs.
We recently shifted back to turbo deisel patrol utes, which we used to use several yars ago, as they have airbags and mechanically seemed to last longer.
Its a shame we wont be getting these beasts at work. All bma mine cars purchased from now on have got to have airbags.

Miller · 30-03-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Citric XR6

Move 2.3 kids around the suburbs?

Just throw them in the tray, I'm sure they will manage

JACK250 · 30-03-2007, 08:36 PM

I think it's good to see something thats just trying to do its job, rather than having 'the most cup holders of any car in its class' or other useless options.

CrankR · 30-03-2007, 08:36 PM

I have a '06 TD Hilux SR (mid range) which is so much better than the older 'Lux's (my opinion) but when i hear my brother in laws flatmate is getting delivery of the brand new TD Cruiser new week and is costing him $78k, i fail to see how much better his will be when he has spent an extra $32k more than i have. I also got some extras for my $46k.
I know they are a different vehicle and his must be the top of the range model but holy sh#t. They are still 4x4's and both still have dropside trackbacks.
Is a V8 TD really that much better? cause really, thats all your paying for.
My TD Hilux flies and has all the safety gear.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...ux_004_001.jpg

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Heef101

I have a '06 TD Hilux SR (mid range) which is so much better than the older 'Lux's (my opinion) but when i hear my brother in laws flatmate is getting delivery of the brand new TD Cruiser new week and is costing him $78k, i fail to see how much better his will be when he has spent an extra $32k more than i have. I also got some extras for my $46k.
I know they are a different vehicle and his must be the top of the range model but holy sh#t. They are still 4x4's and both still have dropside trackbacks.
Is a V8 TD really that much better? cause really, thats all your paying for.
My TD Hilux flies and has all the safety gear.

Offroadability is worth paying for. Anything with IFS is not a true off road vehicle. The new Troopy has got the formula correct. My only whinge about the new GXL wagon is the 90 litre fuel tank. But I am certain that after market tanks will be available soon.

Your mates TD cruiser is nothing more than a weekender snow mobile. I can see now how Toyota are pitching their trucks. 70 series if you are going off road proper, and everything else for the urban cowboy.

CrankR · 30-03-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Offroadability is worth paying for.

While this is true and and a hilux isn't at the same standards as a Cruiser when it comes to off road... i still wouldn't pay that much more.

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Heef101

While this is true and and a hilux isn't at the same standards as a Cruiser when it comes to off road... i still wouldn't pay that much more.

It is all relative I guess. Would I pay 60K for a top of the line off roader? In a heart beat the answer is yes. And in 08, after a few have been sold, I wil be ordering one. Take your 60K and find a better 4x4, in Australia, and your choices become fairly scant.

Cheers.

dave351cid · 30-03-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

What a terrible vehicle. It looks like it was designed to drive in the bush or something.

How am I supposed to cruise around the inner city in my "designer series" Crocodile Dundee outfit and travel to "The Outback" (an nice metro wine bar I frequent) or wander up and down the freeway blocking the fast lane so everyone can see how hot I look if it does not have a MP3 capable stereo or dual zone aircon or imported leather seats or colour keyed interior or dual cooled vodka cruiser holders with fake beer tin exteriors?

Obviously not a vehicle for the serious 4WD enthusiest market.......

:ymca: so true

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dave351cid

:ymca: so true

I'm not sure if you guys are having a joke or are a bit bitter towards 4 wheeler and there and their drivers?

dave351cid · 30-03-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I'm not sure if you guys are having a joke or are a bit bitter towards 4 wheeler and there and their drivers?

:Reverend: just the ones that never leave the tar road

dave351cid · 30-03-2007, 09:40 PM

work (ergon energy- electricity distributer) has been waiting for these to come on the market.

they would have hundreds of landcruisers across QLD.
we have been having overload issues and they are hoping that the new utes will be legal to carry a few more kg. we have just had one of our old n/a cruisers replaced with a turbo 6 and the power differance is great, another 20% would be real nice.select top gear and throw the gear stick away.

ergon has been looking for a alterative to the toyota but there is nothing avalable that will fill its shoes.

it is a real shame that ford or someone dont have a serious go at this huge worldwide market.

as for the nissan V8 , i think its been on the market in the USA for a few years. but its more of a bulky looking soft roader more like the ford "f" series by the pics on the webb site. not made for pushing through washed out scruby tracks
found the site www.nissanusa.com/titan/

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dave351cid

:Reverend: just the ones that never leave the tar road

I think that I agree. I mean, it is still a free country. But when a Toorak mum takes her kids to school in one of these because they go up mount bulla once a year, I can understand how some folks start to resent these things. But like I said, its a free country, and as long as Harold Scruluney is kept under control it will remain so. When I am driving a 4 wheeler I want all hyundai excel's driven by 18 -21 YO dolly birds banned off the road.

dave351cid · 30-03-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I think that I agree. I mean, it is still a free country. But when a Toorak mum takes her kids to school in one of these because they go up mount bulla once a year, I can understand how some folks start to resent these things. But like I said, its a free country, and as long as Harold Scruluney is kept under control it will remain so. When I am driving a 4 wheeler I want all hyundai excel's driven by 18 -21 YO dolly birds banned off the road.

LOL not saying that they shouldnt be aloud, just laugh at the posers sometimes. morgage the house to buy a $100 000 4x4 to take the kids to school. a falcon or commo would be more pratical but not as trendy.

CrankR · 30-03-2007, 10:16 PM

Next door neighbour is in a pickle as he works for QLD Parks and Wildlife (I think thats what they're called) and the Government have a policy not to buy V8's.
Not sure of what other options Toyota offer but he was saying that that he might as well keep the vehicle he's got for a bit longer rather than sending it to auction.

dave351cid · 30-03-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Heef101

Next door neighbour is in a pickle as he works for QLD Parks and Wildlife (I think thats what they're called) and the Government have a policy not to buy V8's.
Not sure of what other options Toyota offer but he was saying that that he might as well keep the vehicle he's got for a bit longer rather than sending it to auction.

i think that started over premier pete coping some flack for driving a V8 when the fuel prices were spiraling out of control.
dont know if it means no V8 work vehcals as well ??

Outbackjack · 30-03-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dave351cid

LOL not saying that they shouldnt be aloud, just laugh at the posers sometimes. morgage the house to buy a $100 000 4x4 to take the kids to school. a falcon or commo would be more pratical but not as trendy.

True, I guess living out here you just take 4 wheelers for granted. Funilly enough, you dont see too many 100k trucks out here. Nissan patrols make up the bulk of 4x4 here. But I think that the tables will turn towards toyota and their V8 diesel now. Like I said about march 08 I wil be buying one of the new 70 series. Probably the GXL wagon. And will will cost lots less than 100K.

mustang70 · 31-03-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Nissans gearboxes might be good, but the power and torque you feel in them is pathetic! I've driven numerous 3ltr t/d Nissans and they are absolutely shocking in comparison to the Toyota alternatives.

yeah maybe they're not tough,just not got any power going through them. the nissan 3.0TD is for mum and kids patrols.