Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by washoutbeach

I just want to get one so I can drive it to the seaside, floor it all the way up to the lighthouse, judiciously alight from the vehicle....but not without steering it straight over the highest cliff.

86 seconds from the coast road to the sea floor.

86 seconds-the average time of actual thought for the customer who buys one (in their entire life).

86 seconds-the time it takes for the fat, awkward, try-hard aging boy racer who bought one- to realise s/he made a mistake.

FTW Focus.

More fun facts about 86

If you multiply washoutbeach's IQ by 4 you will get 86.

86 is the amount of braincells people will lose reading your post.

[Kevaclone]

Originally Posted by DotAU

Yes its lighter but also missing 200nm torque from the falcon or commodore.

Where are all these mountains? Its more likely to find itself coming onto an expressway having to merge into one lane. The driver would get tired of the other car forcing its way in.(due to more roll on acceleration). Am i missing something or is this the truth?

Meh they sold all of the first shipment before they were even released
So obviously Hundreds don't share your view of always having to be the first off the lights and having to beat the other car when merging

Oh and Mountain roads. Don't always go up

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Having previously owned a modified Mitsubishi Evo 8 MR, I will simply laugh at this statement. Not only will an Evo outhandle the 86 in the twisty bits, it's actually fitted with a decent engine and will put lenghts on it in the straight bits between the corners.

Let's not start talking this thing up as something it's not, please. Affordable RWD sports car - Yes. Evo/STi beating mountain king - No.

Never a truer word spoken.

Its a cheap sports car, like the toyota paseo was or the Hyundai Coupe. Its really just a Corolla Sportivo in a different suit. Didnt the sportivo have 147kw too? Sure it may handle well but thats because it doesnt go fast enough.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by DotAU

Never a truer word spoken.

Its a cheap sports car, like the toyota paseo was or the Hyundai Coupe. Its really just a Corolla Sportivo in a different suit. Didnt the sportivo have 147kw too? Sure it may handle well but thats because it doesnt go fast enough.

Seriously, you are one of the stupidest poeple of late...

About the smartest thing you said is highlighted.

To bad the rest sounds like a 17 year old, you talkabout traffic light drags and towing trailers...all of which are nothing to do with what this car is about.

But to really shut you up...

The toyota 86 does a 14.9 1/4...


While your mums XT does a 15.3

So, please, put you mums XT back in the shead (Give it a good wash, remove the maccas rubbish out of it,, and top up the fuel first). Now, go inside, and read up about cheap, fun sports cars, drifting and how a well built chassis is a good base for a weekend track toy.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by DotAU

Never a truer word spoken.

Its a cheap sports car, like the toyota paseo was or the Hyundai Coupe. Its really just a Corolla Sportivo in a different suit. Didnt the sportivo have 147kw too? Sure it may handle well but thats because it doesnt go fast enough.

141kW/180Nm from a 1.8L engine, without the use of DI, in 2003. It was also about 60kgs lighter than the 86, but of course, FWD.

Nikked: One 1/4 mile run of an overseas car does not = gospel. An XT Falcon with the ZF box is a genuine 14 second car. The 86 will be closer to mid 15's here in Australia.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by DotAU

Never a truer word spoken.

Its a cheap sports car, like the toyota paseo was or the Hyundai Coupe. Its really just a Corolla Sportivo in a different suit. Didnt the sportivo have 147kw too? Sure it may handle well but thats because it doesnt go fast enough.

Well actually it will go faster than ANY falcon ever made including GTHOs and XRs & T3s and will go just as fast as a FPV.

I am very sure it will outperform your centrifical supercharged BA XR8.

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by Nic85

141kW/180Nm from a 1.8L engine, without the use of DI, in 2003. It was also about 60kgs lighter than the 86, but of course, FWD.

Nikked: One 1/4 mile run of an overseas car does not = gospel. An XT Falcon with the ZF box is a genuine 14 second car. The 86 will be closer to mid 15's here in Australia.

You would argue the Sportivo corolla might also run away from it.

Also over a quarter mile I have no doubt a XT would spank a Toyota 86.

Id love to see it go 14.9 quarter mile, ill eat my words if the Aussie version runs thoses numbers, maybe even buy one.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by DotAU

You would argue the Sportivo corolla might also run away from it.

Also over a quarter mile I have no doubt a XT would spank a Toyota 86.

Id love to see it go 14.9 quarter mile, ill eat my words if the Aussie version runs thoses numbers, maybe even buy one.

Wheels magazine did a 14.8...


So...

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Having previously owned a modified Mitsubishi Evo 8 MR, I will simply laugh at this statement. Not only will an Evo outhandle the 86 in the twisty bits, it's actually fitted with a decent engine and will put lenghts on it in the straight bits between the corners.

Let's not start talking this thing up as something it's not, please. Affordable RWD sports car - Yes. Evo/STi beating mountain king - No.

Who said anything about it BEATING an evo or wrx? Where did I say this? I said, watch out, not your gonna get smoked. Re-read my post before getting your knickers in a knot sunshine.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by DotAU

You would argue the Sportivo corolla might also run away from it.

Also over a quarter mile I have no doubt a XT would spank a Toyota 86.

Id love to see it go 14.9 quarter mile, ill eat my words if the Aussie version runs thoses numbers, maybe even buy one.

Hope you have a good appetite for words.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by SCUD

There is no supercharged version due in the near future.

I heard otherwise. But meh....Im not buying one so it doesn't matter either way.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Wheels magazine did a 14.8...


So...

In an Australian delivered car, or a press car? Remember back when the VE SS came out, and Holden leant Wheels and MOTOR one of their first cars to drive. The magazines posted times of like 5.1 sec 0-100km/h and 13.4 sec quarter mile times. Not one article since, for any magazine has even been able to come close to those times. Most mags are high 13's/low 14's.

I've seen a youtube clip of the Toyota 86 racing a Honda S2000 from a stand still. It's not even close. The Honda blows its doors off by about 5 or 6 car lengths over the quarter mile, and the S2000 is a 14 second car.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Who said anything about it BEATING an evo or wrx? Where did I say this? I said, watch out, not your gonna get smoked. Re-read my post before getting your knickers in a knot sunshine.

Okay, point taken. But watch out for what exactly? The 86 would stay with an Evo on a mounain run for all of about 3 seconds of Evo turbo lag.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I heard otherwise. But meh....Im not buying one so it doesn't matter either way.

There seems to be alot of talk about it...toyota themselves have even hinted at it...






Haters gonna hate though...

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Okay, point taken. But watch out for what exactly? The 86 would stay with an Evo on a mounain run for all of about 3 seconds of Evo turbo lag.

I don't want to take this thread too far off topic. It's on the verge of it already. But a capable driver behind the 86 could probably keep up with one of those other cars in low speed corners if there are no straights and lots of bends. Sure on a long stretch of road the boosted cars will have it over the 86, but slow speed corners and bends you dont use all of your power. It's about mid corner speed and making the car grip to the apex and driving line while within a usable power range which at low speeds, the 86 would be in.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Nic85

In an Australian delivered car, or a press car? Remember back when the VE SS came out, and Holden leant Wheels and MOTOR one of their first cars to drive. The magazines posted times of like 5.1 sec 0-100km/h and 13.4 sec quarter mile times. Not one article since, for any magazine has even been able to come close to those times. Most mags are high 13's/low 14's.

I've seen a youtube clip of the Toyota 86 racing a Honda S2000 from a stand still. It's not even close. The Honda blows its doors off by about 5 or 6 car lengths over the quarter mile, and the S2000 is a 14 second car.

Oh FFS...

Given that both magazines and private owners have done simmiler times id say that the 86 is a genuine high 14's car, the evidence supports it, unlike alot of claims by people here that are happy just to troll around, brandishing about usless garbage.


Given that the S2000 is a low 14 second car (high 13's in some cases) that would be why it beat the 86...it's not rocket science.


The one or two people here are bogged down trying to call this car out on 1/4 mile times, have hughly mis-understood the importance of a car.

Its like saying a Prostock car is the better then a V8 supercar because it does a quitker 1/4...

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I don't want to take this thread too far off topic. It's on the verge of it already. But a capable driver behind the 86 could probably keep up with one of those other cars in low speed corners if there are no straights and lots of bends. Sure on a long stretch of road the boosted cars will have it over the 86, but slow speed corners and bends you dont use all of your power. It's about mid corner speed and making the car grip to the apex and driving line while within a usable power range which at low speeds, the 86 would be in.

no offence, but have you driven an evo in anger?

with identical drivers the 86 will not see where the evo went, on any circuit, on any surface. they have such a cult following for a very good reason. if anything, the slower the corner the more of an advantage the evo will have.

the 86 is a good cheap sports car, lets just enjoy it for that, and see what happens when tuners start tinkering with it here.

its not a supercar, just a damn good base for a fun trackday/weekender etc.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

no offence, but have you driven an evo in anger?

with identical drivers the 86 will not see where the evo went, on any circuit, on any surface. they have such a cult following for a very good reason. if anything, the slower the corner the more of an advantage the evo will have.

the 86 is a good cheap sports car, lets just enjoy it for that, and see what happens when tuners start tinkering with it here.

its not a supercar, just a damn good base for a fun trackday/weekender etc.

I see your point. The AWD will certainly have its advantages over RWD. Would be good to see a back to back comparison.

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Oh FFS...

Given that the S2000 is a low 14 second car (high 13's in some cases) that would be why it beat the 86...it's not rocket science.

Actually the S2000 is a high 14 second car, maybe nips into the 15s even. If s2000 blows the doors off the 86 (as it should), you can bet your lucky stars the 86 would be a mid to high 15 car. How is a car with 200nm and 147kw going to run 14s

For $29,990 lets not expect too much from it. Its a cheap sports car, looks stylish, billy cart handling but a lack of motor. Thats why the price point. Lets not confuse it with a Evo or even a 350Z, I think someone said it would run with a Cayman

[T2TICK4D]

This seems like a awesome car at a great price but the front reminds me of a Prius and the back reminds me of a Subaru

[nipper575]

I like the overall look other than the tail lights.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by DotAU

Actually the S2000 is a high 14 second car, maybe nips into the 15s even. If s2000 blows the doors off the 86 (as it should), you can bet your lucky stars the 86 would be a mid to high 15 car. How is a car with 200nm and 147kw going to run 14s

For $29,990 lets not expect too much from it. Its a cheap sports car, looks stylish, billy cart handling but a lack of motor. Thats why the price point. Lets not confuse it with a Evo or even a 350Z, I think someone said it would run with a Cayman

2006 Honda S2000 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.8


there is more to times then just looking at power and weight figures...

[Nic85]

Nikked: Toyota have hinted at a TRD version, I've already posted about it in here...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/165968/t...its-the-track/

Brakes, tyres, suspension, roll bars etc etc, but no more power.

blueoval: I'd really suggest you go and take an Evo for a drive mate. Punt it into some corners you know, and do it going way too fast. You will be simply astounded at the level of grip they have, and the balance the chassis has. It's incredible.

Anyway, we're way off track. I only talked about quarter mile times etc because they were brought up, and only compared the 86 to the Evo because it was also brought up.

[blueoval]

Honda S2000 kerb weight- 1299kg
Toyota FT86 (GT spec manual) kerb weight- 1257kg

Just over a bag of cement is the weight difference if that has any bearing.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Nikked: Toyota have hinted at a TRD version, I've already posted about it in here...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/165968/t...its-the-track/

Brakes, tyres, suspension, roll bars etc etc, but no more power.

blueoval: I'd really suggest you go and take an Evo for a drive mate. Punt it into some corners you know, and do it going way too fast. You will be simply astounded at the level of grip they have, and the balance the chassis has. It's incredible.

Anyway, we're way off track. I only talked about quarter mile times etc because they were brought up, and only compared the 86 to the Evo because it was also brought up.

No stress. I know what your saying. They are an excellent machine. Im actually picking up a Liberty GT Spec B this week, and while that will be lower powered than the evo, the grip levels will be somewhere around the mark.

[nstg8a]

i never realised the s2000 was that light.

if they had made a hardtop i reckon id have owned one by now, but i just dont like the idea of convertibles. even t-tops is pushing the bounds a bit for me.

[tranquilized]

This thread is awesome - comparing the 86 to a Falcon XT at a traffic light drag - comedy gold!!

My preferred method of transport in areas that have traffic lights is a push bike, so not too interested in how fast a taxi will rush off from the lights.

I have a theory though... I think the conflicting opinions on this car may just be a reflection of what attracts the person to cars in the firstplace. Broadly speaking, ones interest in cars will stem from one of two sources - driving a car and the enjoyment it can bring, or the car as a machine itself. For many of us I'm sure its both.

I know some people who are right into their cars - have a broad knowledge of the industry, and own high performance or high horse power cars. They drive these cars to work and back ONLY. You could count the number of times they've driven a winding country road on two hands - and it was only cause they had to go somewhere. In a few cases I've seen first hand how inept these motoring enthusiast actually are when trying to have a little fun on some dirt, and when they do hit a winding road they plod along like a tourist - no idea. This kind of enthusiast is likely to look at the 86 and laugh at the lack of power, and just not understand what the hype is about.

Then theres the enthusiast who just loves to drive. I'd put myself more in this category. I regularly drive through traffic for over an hour to get to some of the many winding and deserted country roads on the outskirts of Melbourne, and drive them as fast as I can, then drive another hour home - just for fun - despite having an incredibly unsuitable car to do so. An 86 would be fantastic for this. Not saying I'm a pro - far from it, just that I like to go fast around corners basically. I love the idea of the 86 and dont see the lack of HP as such a problem. Would love it to have more, but its not a deal breaker.

Some broad generalisations there, but just a thought...

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by blueoval

No stress. I know what your saying. They are an excellent machine. Im actually picking up a Liberty GT Spec B this week, and while that will be lower powered than the evo, the grip levels will be somewhere around the mark.

a legacy will give you some idea, but still not close to an evo, the evo (especially the later models) use a lot of electrickery to help them nail the corners, its not just simple awd. plus smaller/lighter/more focused than the legacy.
but the legacy is imo 100% more liveable on a daily basis than an evo. sound better too.
hope your gonna do a thread on it when you get it? coming from nz to here my fix of jap stuff is few and far between.

[nipper575]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

i never realised the s2000 was that light.

if they had made a hardtop i reckon id have owned one by now, but i just dont like the idea of convertibles. even t-tops is pushing the bounds a bit for me.

Same here, driven a few of them, always walked away impressed. I would of put up the soft top if I could of found one for the right price back when I was buying the ute. Obviously I can't say anything about reliability but my XR8 hasn't been flawless either.

[Motorbreath310]

Is anyone else sick of seeing comments from 86 fanboys (on other sites/facebook) about people that "just don't understand" the concept of this car?

Take me for example. I haven't driven an 86. Neither has my 86-loving audience. HOWEVER! I cannot comment that the car may be lacking in the balls department (which to me is one of the greater foundations of what makes a car/driving enjoyable) because I "just don't get it" I haven't watched enough InitialD (any, actually) to appreciate this car. Nor can I acknowledge that it's not about power or outright speed, it's about "teaching the basics of drifting" because, as it turns out, quite a few people actually go and tear up mountain passes in their spare time and have drift battles against their rivals from other tofu shops.