New Ranger teaser vidz

[prydey]

No step behind the rear wheel for raptor?

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by prydey

No step behind the rear wheel for raptor?

No because of the different exhaust, there is no room for the step.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Hopefully my logic makes sense...
I just think if Ford play it smart and not too greedy they can wipe the opposition until they catch up. If the UK engine plant isn't supplying the US for F-150's anymore they need the orders for the Lion V6 from Australian and global markets for Ranger/Everest or it gets axed I'd assume.

I would be interested to see where it's being built, because South Africa also has V6 diesel production now. Not sure if that is just a local supply addition for them, with the UK plant not being able to supply?

https://fordauthority.com/2021/12/ne...uandale-plant/

21,000 V6 engines per year couldn't be anywhere near enough, so it must be additional production capacity.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I would be interested to see where it's being built, because South Africa also has V6 diesel production now. Not sure if that is just a local supply addition for them, with the UK plant not being able to supply?

https://fordauthority.com/2021/12/ne...uandale-plant/

21,000 V6 engines per year couldn't be anywhere near enough, so it must be additional production capacity.

I didn't know that, so does that mean no V6 diesels are built in the UK plant after F-150 option was deleted and Jag/LR switched to their own I6 diesels?

[Gumboot]

How would you rate this v6? Seems like it has reasonably old origins and Land Rover went away from it. What’s its history? Does it use any new innovative design principles?
Is it as good/ better/ worse than the v6 in the current amarok?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

How would you rate this v6? Seems like it has reasonably old origins and Land Rover went away from it. What’s its history? Does it use any new innovative design principles?
Is it as good/ better/ worse than the v6 in the current amarok?

Others have listed the changes Ford US made to this engine for their F-150 install which I believe improved it's durability. I don't know if JLR used the Ford-upgraded version in their last installs before switching to their own I6 diesels. JLR also used single and twin turbo in their cars as well while Ford iirc used a single turbo in the F-150.

As to better than the VW V6 I can't say but I believe the new Ranger-based Amarok will use the Ford diesel and 10 speed auto. And I've only ever heard very good things about the VW V6. I switched from VW to other brands for vans awhile ago so only got to drive the 4-cylinder Amarok as a loan vehicle.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

How would you rate this v6? Seems like it has reasonably old origins and Land Rover went away from it. What’s its history? Does it use any new innovative design principles?
Is it as good/ better/ worse than the v6 in the current amarok?

I guess the Compacted Graphite Iron block is innovative. The strength of cast iron without most of the weight penalty.

It really is smooth and refined. Hard to pick it as a diesel.

Based on it's LR spec it would easily be on par with the VW V6.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford has indicated that the V6 diesel will be an option across the range but no word on the pricing…
It will be interesting to see the split out on who sticks with 2.0 and how many go the V6.

Do we know if its the same trans and running gear between the 2.0 & 3.0?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Do we know if its the same trans and running gear between the 2.0 & 3.0?

Pretty much, the diff ratios might be taller for the 3.0

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

How would you rate this v6? Seems like it has reasonably old origins and Land Rover went away from it. What’s its history? Does it use any new innovative design principles?
Is it as good/ better/ worse than the v6 in the current amarok?

I believe Ford did make some improvements creating the Powerstroke from the Lion engines.
I found this but I think it refers to the earlier engine:

https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-m...stroke-engine/

Wait till the Journos start calling it old Tech again like they did with the Territory..

But to answer your question this new 3.0 has similar / better power outputs to the BMW engine I drive.
fingers crossed it delivers similar economy

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Pretty much, the diff ratios might be taller for the 3.0

Then hopefully the cost variation only reflects this.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I believe Ford did make some improvements creating the Powerstroke from the Lion engines.
I found this but I think it refers to the earlier engine:

https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-m...stroke-engine/

Wait till the Journos start calling it old Tech again like they did with the Territory..

But to answer your question this new 3.0 has similar / better power outputs to the BMW engine I drive.
fingers crossed it delivers similar economy

The forged crank and rods are the big news as the Land Rover cast 3.0 cranks had a nasty habit
of cracking on the rear fillet radius of the first rod pair. The earlier 2.7s in Territory were not afflicted
by that problem which many suspected was a machining problem…

The other big news is improved oil pump and oil system that used to shyte its pants at around 160,000 km.
Land Rover paid for the emission upgrades to bring to USA but then switched to own design I-6,
so Ford paid for second round of upgrades and stuck it in F150 but basically told no one it now had a diesel.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Then hopefully the cost variation only reflects this.

I have an awful feeling that Ford doesn’t think that way…….

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The forged crank and rods are the big news as the Land Rover cast 3.0 cranks had a nasty habit
of cracking on the rear fillet radius of the first rod pair. The earlier 2.7s in Territory were not afflicted
by that problem which many suspected was a machining problem…

The other big news is improved oil pump and oil system that used to shyte its pants at around 160,000 km.
Land Rover paid for the emission upgrades to bring to USA but then switched to own design I-6,
so Ford paid for second round of upgrades and stuck it in F150 but basically told no one it now had a diesel.

Plus making the 3.5V6 Ecoboost petrol nearly a $USD4000 cheaper option over the diesel means you just wouldn't get your money back in fuel savings unless you drove to the moon and back every month.

[Big_Daz]

Touched base with my dealer today, still nothing on official pricing/spec. Has anyone else who has a deposit down heard anything?

Have Also heard that the V6 Diesel engine is the Volkswagen sourced one, rather then the ford one from f150. Any truth to that?


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[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Touched base with my dealer today, still nothing on official pricing/spec. Has anyone else who has a deposit down heard anything?

Have Also heard that the V6 Diesel engine is the Volkswagen sourced one, rather then the ford one from f150. Any truth to that?


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Geez, I hope the dealer staff didn't tell you that...about the V6 that is..it's Ford all the way.

[Dr Smith]

It will be funny having a VW salesperson explain the source of their Amarok, the VW designers/engineers worked in a Ford base in Victoria, the engine is a Ford, the transmission is a Ford/GM JV, the body is assembled in a South African Ford plant and we will charge you a premium over the Ford product...hopefully the interior is of VW spec as that's one area I think VW does have it over Ford..or did up to now...,

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The forged crank and rods are the big news as the Land Rover cast 3.0 cranks had a nasty habit
of cracking on the rear fillet radius of the first rod pair. The earlier 2.7s in Territory were not afflicted
by that problem which many suspected was a machining problem…

The other big news is improved oil pump and oil system that used to shyte its pants at around 160,000 km.
Land Rover paid for the emission upgrades to bring to USA but then switched to own design I-6,
so Ford paid for second round of upgrades and stuck it in F150 but basically told no one it now had a diesel.

I wonder if the move to stick it into f-150 was solely based on keeping the plant running till Ranger V6 production started, and not having to mothball the line and lay workers off?

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Touched base with my dealer today, still nothing on official pricing/spec. Has anyone else who has a deposit down heard anything?

Have Also heard that the V6 Diesel engine is the Volkswagen sourced one, rather then the ford one from f150. Any truth to that?


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Even after the reveal and Ford telling everyone it is their own V6, people still want to make up rumours. Please tell me it wasn't the dealer who told you that? He should be fired if he knows so little about the product.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I wonder if the move to stick it into f-150 was solely based on keeping the plant running till Ranger V6 production started, and not having to mothball the line and lay workers off?



Even after the reveal and Ford telling everyone it is their own V6, people still want to make up rumours. Please tell me it wasn't the dealer who told you that? He should be fired if he knows so little about the product.

Same thing happened with the old 3.2. I had a number of people swear to me that it was a Volvo engine because it had 5 cylinders.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I wonder if the move to stick it into f-150 was solely based on keeping the plant running till Ranger V6 production started, and not having to mothball the line and lay workers off?

Even though the 2.7 Ecoboost was very successful in F150, the Ram Ecodiesel claiming
best in class fuel economy was a challenge Ford couldn’t ignore. The problem was that
they just couldn’t match the Ram’s fuel economy and once GM delivered its 3.0 I-6 diesel
with even better economy, there was nothing to be gained..

I think/hope that the new V6 diesel Ranger/Everest are in “clean air” for about a year or so
because that may be all it takes to get “noticed” by the market and increase sales to next level.

[JKL]

Demand is there and the wait I expect will be long one sales person has 60 expressions of interest on next gen rangers, still no ability to order until pricing and specs released. On top of that the dealership has 18 rangers to sell until next gen arrives, this probably does not include those already sold and waiting to be delivered.. interest is very high!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Plus making the 3.5V6 Ecoboost petrol nearly a $USD4000 cheaper option over the diesel means you just wouldn't get your money back in fuel savings unless you drove to the moon and back every month.

Well you could say the same thing about V6 petrol Utes in our market vs the higher priced diesels
that 99% of people chose. People just got sick of the day to day cost of petrol Utes and preferred
to pay more at point of sale, convinced that fuel savings plus higher resales were real world fact.

Aussie and American vehicle/engine preferences are different enough but maybe V6 EB wins some..

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I wonder if the move to stick it into f-150 was solely based on keeping the plant running till Ranger V6 production started, and not having to mothball the line and lay workers off?



Even after the reveal and Ford telling everyone it is their own V6, people still want to make up rumours. Please tell me it wasn't the dealer who told you that? He should be fired if he knows so little about the product.

Wasn’t the dealer who said that for clarification. I assumed it was the ford V6 Diesel but missed the confirmation on where ford actually said it. I heard it from a mate who is normally pretty clued in to this type of thing. When he said it, it didn’t make sense to me (why would ford use a vw engine when they have the perfect engine on house) which is why I thought I’d run it past the brains trust in here…


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[XtRmn8]

I have been impatiently trolling Facebook for new info and images on the new Ranger and it would appear that Ford Thailand are doing the Ranger sales launch at the Thailand motor show commencing 23rd March.

Not sure how accurate this is but I've seen this mentioned a couple of times by what appears to be Ford dealer staff who are on Ranger training.

Also a new video on the Ranger showing some of the safety features.

https://youtu.be/Jz0DaFzQlFU

[portokatsiki]

Next door neighbour came home tonight with a LHD raptor, in camouflage wrap. Interior was almost as good as Audi quality. Centre screen as big as a Tesla one. Drivers cluster had the Built Tough video when turning on. Asked him about the motor he said quote twin turbo v6 petrol unquote.

[Gumboot]

Went to the Brisbane 4x4 show today.
Surprised Ford did not have the new Ranger or Raptor on display.
I think a missed opportunity. Lot of people there and even Ineos had the unreleased Grenadier there.

[FPV8U]

Any talk from those in the know when we might get some official pricing on the next Gen?

[XtRmn8]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Any talk from those in the know when we might get some official pricing on the next Gen?

I am on a waiting list with a holding deposit. Got an update 2 weeks ago from dealer, apparently dealer allocations and specs March, pricing April and first deliveries in June.

Ford Thailand launched the Ranger, Raptor and Everest yesterday with local specs and pricing.

Don't understand why Ford Australia are delaying so much.

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Any talk from those in the know when we might get some official pricing on the next Gen?

Full details including dealer allocations next week.
According to my dealer I can have mine delivered prior to June 30.

[XtRmn8]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Full details including dealer allocations next week.
According to my dealer I can have mine delivered prior to June 30.

Did your dealer say anything about when pricing details will be released?

What trim are you getting?