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28-09-2011, 12:24 PM | #601 | |||
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I have one question. In my opinion, one of the greates blunders that Ford Australia made in the last decade was to drop the optional Aussie-designed AU IRS for the global Control Blade IRS (and then make it standard on the sedan range so that there is no escape from it). Was there a significant cost saving involved?
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28-09-2011, 12:26 PM | #602 | |||
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I bet Josh is crying in bed about this.
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28-09-2011, 12:41 PM | #603 | |||
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28-09-2011, 12:43 PM | #604 | |||
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On tv in America..I see an average of 3 Ford ads an hour..mainly the F truck.. Ford Australia must have a low advertising budget??
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28-09-2011, 01:04 PM | #605 | |||
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And yes, the CB IRS was cheaper to make than the AU IRS and allowed for greater harmonisation with modular manufacturing processes. Maybe not significant per unit, but over thousands of vehicles the saving adds up.
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28-09-2011, 01:11 PM | #606 | |||
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Unfortunately the AU IRS was superior and without the potential bush problems. |
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28-09-2011, 04:00 PM | #607 | ||
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The weight saving is indicative of big cost savings. I don't believe there is an issue with the CB IRS itself, just (!) the diff mounting which is a separate issue. The AU IRS was basically the an adaption of the Mustang Cobra wasn't it?
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28-09-2011, 04:11 PM | #608 | ||
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Is it superior just for roadholding or also for refinement? Does anyone know exactly why it's superior? I hope they revise CB to incorporate the best aspects of the AU setup. Seems the AU steered better than subsequent models aswell.
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28-09-2011, 04:15 PM | #609 | |||
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28-09-2011, 05:07 PM | #610 | |||
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not many multi link IRS systems can do that and it's the reason what Falcon's IRS is so good. |
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28-09-2011, 07:24 PM | #611 | |||
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29-09-2011, 12:01 AM | #612 | ||||
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S******se sales figures should do nicely.
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29-09-2011, 05:36 PM | #613 | ||
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Think about this, last month Falcon sold around 1625, Territory 1665 and Ute was 593.
Now even without considering the increase in sales that that EcoLPI will bring, the average transaction price for the three mosels is probably around: 1) Falcon - $35K to $40 K -most are fleet special XR6s with a few G6, G6E, G6ET and XR6T 2) Territory - $45 to $50K - around 75-80% sales are diesels 3) Ute - $30 to $35K - most are fleet specials with a few XR6 and XR6 Ts That puts the average price of all Falcon products at roughly, $38K to $42K per vehicle. I'm no accountant but that looks like a fairly lucrative venture..... |
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29-09-2011, 06:05 PM | #614 | ||||
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29-09-2011, 07:10 PM | #615 | ||
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no no no, you have it all wrong. how can they be making money when commodore sells so many cars. how can they be making money if they aren't no.1 in sales. how can i win the arguments in the schoolyard if they aren't no.1!! or selling 15000/mnth.
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29-09-2011, 07:12 PM | #616 | ||
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It doesnt matter how many cars you sell if you lose money on each one.
Being profitable is more important than selling the most cars. |
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29-09-2011, 07:13 PM | #617 | |||
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29-09-2011, 07:25 PM | #618 | ||
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i should use the emoticons more often.
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29-09-2011, 08:13 PM | #619 | |||
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Sarcasm is hard to detect sometimes..........
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29-09-2011, 11:37 PM | #620 | ||||||
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Look what this guy is claiming.
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In his defense, the details are pretty specific, diff ratios, engine cc etc. But why would Ford omit things like this from their press release? Looking at the Facts, Ford now has the 6R80, which I read was modeled on the ZF. Now it wouldn't make much sense to continue importing the ZF6HP26 if they can get 6R80 for cheaper. However, the contract with ZF might still be valid ( anyone shed light on this?) and so they want to maintain cache and upgrade perhaps? Bearing in mind they didn't have to calibrate the BF , and kept the BMW 5 series settings, they could do the same with the 8 speed, which must be getting cheaper by now? Makes sense to me.. Or have I just wasted everybody's time? Last edited by FalconXV; 29-09-2011 at 11:43 PM. |
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30-09-2011, 12:02 AM | #621 | ||
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Interesting ,Laughable, could it be possible? Who knows sometimes it sounds like crap and bang it hit yah. But I very much doubt it. Funny though.
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30-09-2011, 12:14 AM | #622 | ||
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XR6T at 640NM....um no
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30-09-2011, 12:14 AM | #623 | ||
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I call Troll.
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30-09-2011, 12:32 AM | #624 | ||
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LOL troll central - probably one of the old e series guys. The art of trolling is to articulate and include recent comparisons and provide good detail. This is done pretty well.
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30-09-2011, 12:51 AM | #625 | ||
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Did Ford really just use the BMW 5 series calibration in the ZF? Never heard of this.
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30-09-2011, 12:53 AM | #626 | |||
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30-09-2011, 12:53 AM | #627 | |||
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I doubt it would be exactly the same because the engines in the 5 series have different characteristics to the engines in the Falcon. |
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30-09-2011, 01:34 AM | #628 | ||
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Considering the new skoda monte carlo rs is scoring a 7 speed auto why not the falcon? I'm not saying the above stuff from Ron is correct, just wondering about the possibility of a 7 speed falcon.
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30-09-2011, 06:34 AM | #629 | |||
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30-09-2011, 06:36 AM | #630 | ||||
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but there was no gearbox in the engineering group that could reliably maintain that torque in a heavy vehicle like F150 so the power was clipped to 270 KW and 565 nm and a modified supplier program used to meet delivery deadline. Quote:
The simple point is that most buyers are more interested in fuel economy than power as evidenced by Diesel Territory, the soon to be released EcoLPI and next year's Ecoboost I-4 engines.... Ford is in the throws of deciding which way to go with the post 2015 Falcon, I seriously doubt there are any plans to introduce 7/8/9--speed transmissions before that time, they are extremely expensive and only FPV could justify them. Last edited by jpd80; 30-09-2011 at 06:49 AM. |
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