Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[Poetic Justice]

It's not out to 12 months.

I'm taking orders for about October/November atm.

[TheSneakiness]

Hmm... not everything is correct on the internet then...

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

FG XTs are a pretty brisk car, mid 14s easily with their 6 speed auto - you can forgive the 86 for not being as quick! But it's fairly obvious that you have never actually driven a car before. Stomping on the loud pedal doesn't count, a 10 year old could do that.

Thank you.

The reason so many people are saying that people don't "get the idea behind such a car", is that a lot of people don't seem to get the idea behind such a car.

It's not a drag racer, it's not a supercar, it's not something with masses of horsepower for people that use the power to overcome chassis inadequacies or other handling problems (go fast in a straight line and don't worry about the corners).
It's going back to a time when these sort of cars didn't have a lot of power, but by christ they could handle, and that's where the fun was. They rewarded those who were able to make the most of the chassis and whatever power the thing did have to overcome much more powerful rivals on winding roads.
Some of the most popular and best handling sports cars over the decades have usually not had the biggest engines...think the B-series engine in MGB's and others.

Initial D was a revelation for a lot of people...usually westerners who were used to big horsepower equalling "performance". It showed a well set-up AE86 Trueno with a fairly standard 4AGE engine, but it was driven by someone who knew the road intimately and who was able to use the car his father gave him to use to overcome much faster opponents. They'd get away from him in straights, but the corners are where that sort of thing is won.

If animation isn't for you, try and find the live action version of Initial D...it's subtitled in English, and was a Japanese film made in Hong Kong (as Japan wouldn't let them do the car scenes on the roads). There's no CGI, it's all real cars doing the racing for real, usually with the actors at the helm. Amazing stuff and really lets you see what it's all about.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by MAFIA

Fact is Built by subaru, ReBadge as Toyota!!!!

Same goes for all Holden small cars, Built by Daewoo in Korea, Rebadge as Holden in Australia = Rubbish!!!

Are you really that dumb ?

[MAGPIE]

I don't get why people "don't get it"

The 86/BRZ isn't aimed at mixing it with EVO/STi/GT/F6/XR6 Turbo's or anything else similar, it isn't aimed at people who want to tow boats/horse floats/jet skis or any other type of trailer, it isn't aimed at people who wan't to go cruising with their bogan mates in the back seat.

It's for people who want something cheap and cheerful that will out handle most (if not all) cars on the market at that price point, it's for people who want to chuck some slicks in the boot drive to the track have some fun and then drive it home again.

Personally I see this car being aimed at MX-5/Suzuki Swift/Mini types, people that want something fun but don't want a boring hatchback. The MX-5 is probably it's closest rival.

I also don't get why people who obviously don't have any interest (or anything positive to contribute) to this thread, continue with their boring dribble....

NEWSFLASH we don't care !

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by dimka100

Here we go ... people are now even comparing the 86 to an EVO ... please an EVO and any Toyota should not even be mentioned in the same sentence!!!

An Evo will decimate the 86 on any track! in any weather conditions! with any driver! ... and if you don't understand why then maybe you should rethink your passion for cars and star a new hobby ...

looking back through the posts I couldnt see anybody saying the 86 would beat an Evo around the track?

[Vesper Martini]

[QUOTE=Polyal]
People who are against the 86 are against karting, which is the purest (perhaps) form of motorsport..its not about bulk power but maintaining speed and enjoying apex's..thats it.
QUOTE]
This is exactly the point i was going to make, weve all had a go a go carts, and loved it were we worried that our car in the parking lot had more grunt?

[swapper]

Originally Posted by MAFIA

Fact is Built by subaru, ReBadge as Toyota!!!!

Same goes for all Holden small cars, Built by Daewoo in Korea, Rebadge as Holden in Australia = Rubbish!!!

Sorry dude but the whole rebadge thing is getting old
First of all the Korean built Holden's are never badged as a Daewoo. Ues they are built in Korea by GM but how does that differ from Ford selling Focus' and Fiestas here that we're built in lower cost countries such as thailand and South Africa? Both of which are actually cheaper manufacturing enviroments than Korea....but hey let's not let the truth get in the way of some brand biased opinions!

Second of all who cares who made it? It was a joint venture, neither Toyota or Subaru have ever tried to pass it off as anything different.
Further more whilst Subaru did the engineering and manufacture, styling was done primarily by Toyota and they offered their direct injection system to the program. So it's hardly 100% Subaru

After reading all of the dribble in this thread it makes me realize there are not very many truly knowledgable car enthusiasts here! Mostly just super biased people that can't get past the badge on the car! Inagine the praise that would be spewing for the same car if it had a blue oval on it. There would only be a few people even dare say anything negative.

This car was never aimed at traffic light heros, and it may well be underpowered but if people can't at least appreciate what this car is, I am sorry but you are not a car enthusiast

Truthfully it's not even my bag, but I bet it's a blast to drive and I bet it puts a smile on every owners face

Well done to Toyota and Subaru!

[Cam]

This thread is out of control, I feel slightly less intelligent for reading some of the posts here... So many people cannot see this for what it is, a lot cost sporty RWD alternative to the plethora of FWD cars on the market (with the exception of the MX5)

I wonder if Ford came out with a euro built RWD 30kish sports car with a NA Volvo 5cyl engine would the haters still be hatin'? That'd make it a re-badged volvo, right?

(Yes, I realise the 5cyl is no longer in production, it was just a comparison..)

[DBourne]

I love the 86, but can people PLEASE stop referencing initial D, PLEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Cam

I wonder if Ford came out with a euro built RWD 30kish sports car with a NA Volvo 5cyl engine would the haters still be hatin'? That'd make it a re-badged volvo, right?

(Yes, I realise the 5cyl is no longer in production, it was just a comparison..)

If it had the I5T id be inline

[Cam]

Originally Posted by DJM83

If it had the I5T id be inline

Mate if it had an ecoboost I'd be ebaying all my possessions right now!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Cam

Mate if it had an ecoboost I'd be ebaying all my possessions right now!

Ditto

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Cam

This thread is out of control, I feel slightly less intelligent for reading some of the posts here...

I just cacked myself at that remark, thank you for brightening my day :-)

[Poetic Justice]

PS just got a manual one in, a gazillion times better than auto-boring-matic.

[Poetic Justice]

Here it is

[DJM83]

Lookin good

[TheSneakiness]

Very nice...

[XR5-Boy]

So many haters, so little brains.

A TRUE car enthusiast would understand what Subaru and Toyota have done here.
A TRUE car enthusiast knows that power isn't everything.

If you don't like it, move on. No one wants to hear your dribble about being a traffic light hero.


That aside, I can't wait to jump in the drivers seat and give this a blast through the twistys. Should be a fun car to drive

[Iggypoppin']

I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Looks like it would be a blast through the Adelaide hills, power is not everything and I have been in some cars through the twisties that had serious hp but would have been eaten by smaller more nimble cars with much less power. I can't see why people are complaining, if you don't like it you don't have to buy it, no one is twisting your arm!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by SCUD

It's not out to 12 months.

I'm taking orders for about October/November atm.

They told me August/September if I ordered one, maybe they were being purposely optimistic to get into my wallet

[Poetic Justice]

Depends on the dealer and their stock allocation. We are not a big dealer, but we took far more orders than we were expecting.

[Shonky.]

not sure if a car dealer would cop it as I've always bought off the lot, but something I did when ordering my leather lounge was ask him the delivery time, add 2 weeks and then ask him to sign an agreement I drafted saying I would get a further 20% discount if it was not delivered in time.

Even if they won't sign it is a good way to gauge how confident they are in their ETA (20% off would mean negative profit on an 86 I'm sure, so would have to less)

[DJM83]

The UK gets a slightly upgraded model
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...irmed-uk-sales

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by DJM83

The UK gets a slightly upgraded model
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...irmed-uk-sales

The UK always gets the good stuff, but for 62 grand in our coin, they can keep it!

[Nikked]

Being crashed already...

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Being crashed already...

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That’s in the US, and they’ve been out there for a while so you’d expect that.

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Cam

This thread is out of control, I feel slightly less intelligent for reading some of the posts here... So many people cannot see this for what it is, a lot cost sporty RWD alternative to the plethora of FWD cars on the market (with the exception of the MX5)

I wonder if Ford came out with a euro built RWD 30kish sports car with a NA Volvo 5cyl engine would the haters still be hatin'? That'd make it a re-badged volvo, right?

(Yes, I realise the 5cyl is no longer in production, it was just a comparison..)

Ford have had similar FOR DECADES, its called a Mustang

Once again the Japanese just copy and tweak.

Agent86 is reverse "price shock", no wonder its selling so well

Be patient, coming from the land of copy everything else and follow the leader, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda etc would be working on there own as we speak, be a bit like Japanese motorcycle brands, remove the badges change the colour, and same same

Its ok, nothing more, a modern day Celica, the real winner is the price of it

[nstg8a]

how is a mustang similar?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by RASER

Ford have had similar FOR DECADES, its called a Mustang

Once again the Japanese just copy and tweak.

Agent86 is reverse "price shock", no wonder its selling so well

Be patient, coming from the land of copy everything else and follow the leader, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda etc would be working on there own as we speak, be a bit like Japanese motorcycle brands, remove the badges change the colour, and same same

Its ok, nothing more, a modern day Celica, the real winner is the price of it

Yaaaawwwn...another copy and paste post from you.
We get it you don't like the car. So why keep posting in here like a troll?
You've had nothing constructive to add to the thread.