Covid 19 -

[russellw]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Is reaching zero Covid 19 even possible.......

Ignoring that article for a moment, the short answer is yes but only at an economic and social cost that no one is willing to bear.

Several countries have shown you can contain and effectively eliminate community infections but it takes several months of intense lockdown to do so.

What hasn't worked is stopping the reintroduction of the virus via incoming travellers and I really can't see an indefinite ban on International travel getting a guernsey here or anywhere else for that matter. A couple of the smaller island nations are doing just that but when their economies are tourism based, it's only a short term strategy at best.

Thus, the 'real' answer is probably no and even with a 50% efficacious vaccine the answer will probably remain a firm no.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

"Suppression" is an interesting term to use. Did he suppress (actively prevent) or did he just see that it wasn't necessary? Which is what he actually claimed. His original claim was that he wasn't aware of that specific info in the emails, it didn't "register" at the time given the thousands of emails he received. If that is true, then it makes total sense he wouldn't have thought those emails were relevant to the inquiry. No smoking gun. However, if it is found that he actively sought to stop those emails from being submitted, then he is in trouble.

Yep. I'd say that's what he and his lawyers are sorting through right now. The interpretation of his actions regarding the email not being made available to the inquiry.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Meanwhile, insiders are screaming that Aged Care is still not up to scratch and that they are still exposed if there is another wave. The silence is deafening. Does anyone care?

I care and everyone should, this is a prime example of the Feds not doing their job, Murdoch LOVES that side of politics so it's not surprising it is not being picked up by the MSM (main stream media) Murdoch is deliberately hiding their shortcomings from the general public

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I think its time for Dan to stop giving these daily pressers, and get these so called "journalists" to go do some real work.

I have been saying for weeks he gives those bludgers too much time, 2 of them are just outright ****-wits and need to get real jobs. They add no value, even their peers tell them to shut up and give someone else a go every so often

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I saw that this morning and just shook my head - is understanding English a problem?

When people in charge are reusing components of blood test equipment, when they are trying to fight infection spread and understand who is positive, what hope is there.....

[hayseed]

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by hayseed

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that includes that Federal mob as well. Josh needs to worry about his budget

Plus, Lindsay should be in a St.Kilda jumper, he played for them back in the day and is a past President

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

that includes that Federal mob as well. Josh needs to worry about his budget

Plus, Lindsay should be in a St.Kilda jumper, he played for them back in the day and is a past President

Don’t reckon Lindsays old jumper would fit him now!he’s probably about 30 kgs over playing weight (bit like most of us)

[Trevor 57]

more likely 60 hahahaha

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Don’t reckon Lindsays old jumper would fit him now!he’s probably about 30 kgs over playing weight (bit like most of us)

he works in transport , if its anything like his trucks going up the road 30kg over is nothing

[jmack]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I care and everyone should, this is a prime example of the Feds not doing their job, Murdoch LOVES that side of politics so it's not surprising it is not being picked up by the MSM (main stream media) Murdoch is deliberately hiding their shortcomings from the general public



I have been saying for weeks he gives those bludgers too much time, 2 of them are just outright ****-wits and need to get real jobs. They add no value, even their peers tell them to shut up and give someone else a go every so often

wow its all murdoch fault that your demi god has stuffed up so much. A couple of reporters turn up and ask the hard questions that the rest of the **** poor excuses for reporters wouldn't ask and your side start sooking,its a sin to seek the truth now, talk about a whack job

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by jmack

wow its all murdoch fault that your demi god has stuffed up so much. A couple of reporters turn up and ask the hard questions that the rest of the **** poor excuses for reporters wouldn't ask and your side start sooking,its a sin to seek the truth now, talk about a whack job

you can't get me I'm part of the Union rhetoric comes to mind

[Tickford.]

Trying to put together a list of high profile sports starts that have tested positive to COVID.

So far I've got:

Usain Bolt (Athletics)
Novak Djokovic (Tennis)
Sergio Perez (Formula 1)
Valentino Rossi (Moto GP)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Soccer)
Adam Scott (Golf)

Anyone I've missed?

From the above list, I would consider Djokovic and Ronaldo to be in a more active sport, where physical fitness would be vital to their success.

There a quite a number of soccer, NBA and NFL players, and cyclists that have tested positive. Will be interesting to see how they fair once they 'recover' from COVID. Will they be back to pre COVID condition at the very least?

[FTE217]

There have been plenty of Euro football players having been positive, they have a 10day self isolate period and back playing with no trouble at all......
The below is for the EPL......
The Premier League can today confirm that between Monday 12 October and Sunday 18 October, 1,575 players and club staff were tested for COVID-19.

Of these, there were eight new positive tests.

Players or club staff who have tested positive will self-isolate for a period of 10 days.
Round 1: 31 Aug-6 Sep - 1,605 tested, with three testing positive.
Round 2: 7-13 Sep - 2,131 tested, with four testing positive.
Round 3: 14-20 Sep - 1,574 tested, with three testing positive.
Round 4: 21-27 Sep - 1,595 tested, with 10 testing positive.
Round 5: 28 Sep-4 Oct - 1,587 tested, with nine testing positive.
Round 6: 5-11 Oct - 1,128 tested, with five testing positive.

Some have been top name players with no performance issues going back and the same will go with Ronaldo.
They all would be on a home training routine reporting to the Club.

[HIPO]

Yep Chinese man flu aint fun!

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Trying to put together a list of high profile sports starts that have tested positive to COVID.

So far I've got:

Usain Bolt (Athletics)
Novak Djokovic (Tennis)
Sergio Perez (Formula 1)
Valentino Rossi (Moto GP)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Soccer)
Adam Scott (Golf)

Anyone I've missed?

From the above list, I would consider Djokovic and Ronaldo to be in a more active sport, where physical fitness would be vital to their success.

There a quite a number of soccer, NBA and NFL players, and cyclists that have tested positive. Will be interesting to see how they fair once they 'recover' from COVID. Will they be back to pre COVID condition at the very least?

you can leave me off the list , i havent had it

[FairmontGS]

Hey Trev! Crikey hey?

Victoria Police to investigate public servant after leak of coronavirus roadmap
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-2...-leak/12803210


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[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Trying to put together a list of high profile sports starts that have tested positive to COVID.

So far I've got:

Usain Bolt (Athletics)
Novak Djokovic (Tennis)
Sergio Perez (Formula 1)
Valentino Rossi (Moto GP)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Soccer)
Adam Scott (Golf)

Anyone I've missed?

From the above list, I would consider Djokovic and Ronaldo to be in a more active sport, where physical fitness would be vital to their success.

There a quite a number of soccer, NBA and NFL players, and cyclists that have tested positive. Will be interesting to see how they fair once they 'recover' from COVID. Will they be back to pre COVID condition at the very least?

Stroll (F1)

[russellw]

Originally Posted by jmack

wow its all murdoch fault that your demi god has stuffed up so much. A couple of reporters turn up and ask the hard questions that the rest of the **** poor excuses for reporters wouldn't ask and your side start sooking,its a sin to seek the truth now, talk about a whack job

It's unfortunate that those reporters you refer to as asking the 'hard' questions are actually asking the questions that their masters and their masters political bias want asked.

Indeed, the credibility of Australian media including print and television is generally considered to be poor in Australia although the generally held view about which side of politics it is biased toward is probably wrong.

I like the summary in THIS graphic which depicts where most of the major media outlets sit on the political and quality of reporting spectrum.

It's sobering.

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Stroll (F1)

Stroll never had Covid, he just wasn't feeling well.

Perez has recovered from Covid and almost scored a podium a few weeks ago.

[russellw]

Interestingly, three countries make up more than half (52.07%) of the global cases: - the USA (20.7%), India (18.59%) and Brazil (12.79%) although they only make up 44% of the global deaths with the USA pretty well aligned with the case percentage at 20.02%; India well below with 10.27% and Brazil somewhat over-represented at 13.69%.

We looked a couple of weeks back at the case numbers per 100k for a range of countries over the last 14 days and at that point Israel topped the charts.

That list is now led by Czechia with a mind-boggling 1,060 cases per 100k of population over the last 14 days but Belgium (935), the Netherlands (602), France (465) and Argentina (462.1) are all taking a hammering as well.

To put that in perspective, the global average is 64.7 cases per 100k of population in that same period. India, despite the high case numbers is actually slightly below that figure with 63.2 and even the USA is 'only' at 243.

Other countries with > 300 include Costa Rica (312.7); Spain (316.4); Slovakia (346); the UK (360.8); Switzerland (393.3); Luxembourg (406) and Slovenia (426). Of those 12 countries; 10 are in Europe, 1 in North America and 1 in South America.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by russellw

It's unfortunate that those reporters you refer to as asking the 'hard' questions are actually asking the questions that their masters and their masters political bias want asked.

Indeed, the credibility of Australian media including print and television is generally considered to be poor in Australia although the generally held view about which side of politics it is biased toward is probably wrong.

I like the summary in THIS graphic which depicts where most of the major media outlets sit on the political and quality of reporting spectrum.

It's sobering.

the big players are ALL on the right side - and who owns all the print version?

Have people been missing what some big names are saying about the control of print media in Australia, that 80% of the main players are owned by Murdoch, a non-Australian who loves controlling political outcomes

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Hey Trev! Crikey hey?

Victoria Police to investigate public servant after leak of coronavirus roadmap
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-2...-leak/12803210


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I have no issue with real investigative journalism, in fact I applaud it, but when it is just badgering, bull-**** or just outright lies then I have an issue

Skynews in renowned for lies, old mate on Media Watch on the ABC pulls them apart all the time

I wanna watch the news and get the news NOT opinion, particularly biased opinion, whether it be right or left. Just report the ****ing truth FFS!!!!

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I have no issue with real investigative journalism, in fact I applaud it, but when it is just badgering, bull-**** or just outright lies then I have an issue

Skynews in renowned for lies, old mate on Media Watch on the ABC pulls them apart all the time

I wanna watch the news and get the news NOT opinion, particularly biased opinion, whether it be right or left. Just report the ****ing truth FFS!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBIx...=johnmayerVEVO

John Mayer

"When they own the information, they can bend it all they want "

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by russellw

It's unfortunate that those reporters you refer to as asking the 'hard' questions are actually asking the questions that their masters and their masters political bias want asked.

Indeed, the credibility of Australian media including print and television is generally considered to be poor in Australia although the generally held view about which side of politics it is biased toward is probably wrong.

I like the summary in THIS graphic which depicts where most of the major media outlets sit on the political and quality of reporting spectrum.

It's sobering.

All of the ABC centre (except Q&A) hmmm. The ABC leans at least as far left as 7 and 9 lean right. Channel 10 is the most centred broadcaster.

The Guardian is definitely partisan left, I have never read an article there that is at all friendly to profit based businesses or government that supports anything on that. Every day it is full of blatant anti-Trump (not that there is anything wrong with that, but its just not journalism) campaigning.


I enjoy reading opinions from both sides to get a balanced view, but from that in my opinion the list is skewed to move most half a category the right.

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by M&Ms

Stroll never had Covid, he just wasn't feeling well.

Perez has recovered from Covid and almost scored a podium a few weeks ago.

Umm, yes he did. And his old man too.
Check the speedcafe articles about it.

[Mulva]

Russ, you sure about some of those figures? It's just my mate watches SkyNews, and he reckons they say Trump is doing an awesome job but Dan Andrews and Jacinda Adern are doing **** and need to go...but your figures don't support that narrative, so I don't know what to believe. /s

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by tweeked

All of the ABC centre (except Q&A) hmmm. The ABC leans at least as far left as 7 and 9 lean right. Channel 10 is the most centred broadcaster.

The Guardian is definitely partisan left, I have never read an article there that is at all friendly to profit based businesses or government that supports anything on that. Every day it is full of blatant anti-Trump (not that there is anything wrong with that, but its just not journalism) campaigning.


I enjoy reading opinions from both sides to get a balanced view, but from that in my opinion the list is skewed to move most half a category the right.

It's an interesting graphic and is drawn from Reddit research. I generally find Reddit centre unless you look for stuff which reinforces your own opinion, in which case you're skewing the results anyway.

I also would cut n' paste a few - ABC News bulletin is centre but their online offerings would go to the Leans Left Mixed Quality, along with 7:30 Report, SMH and The Age (since being taken over by Nine Entertainment). I'd move The Drum to Poor Quality Leans Left, because I find it is too progressive in that it focuses on vocal minority issues and is generally out of touch with mainstream Australia. The AFR would go to HQ Centre but the Sky stuff is bang on.

But that's probably just my bias coming through anyway Who could ever claim to be an unbiased arbiter and correctly position the chart contents?

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

But that's probably just my bias coming through anyway Who could ever claim to be an unbiased arbiter and correctly position the chart contents?

That’s a bit like the famous quote attributed to Alexandre Dumas, Toutes les généralisations sont dangereuses, y compris celle-ci.

I’m surprised there isn’t an audio overdub of The Impossible Dream as Premier Andrews daily fronts up to the Spanish Inquisition presser.

Relatedly, it looks like aged care regulation is up the proverbial more than ever - if another “wave” of cases come into care facilities I doubt there will be any better response than before - which seemed to morbidly echo the “chicken pox parties” once favoured by parents.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

It's an interesting graphic and is drawn from Reddit research. I generally find Reddit centre unless you look for stuff which reinforces your own opinion, in which case you're skewing the results anyway.

I also would cut n' paste a few - ABC News bulletin is centre but their online offerings would go to the Leans Left Mixed Quality, along with 7:30 Report, SMH and The Age (since being taken over by Nine Entertainment). I'd move The Drum to Poor Quality Leans Left, because I find it is too progressive in that it focuses on vocal minority issues and is generally out of touch with mainstream Australia. The AFR would go to HQ Centre but the Sky stuff is bang on.

But that's probably just my bias coming through anyway Who could ever claim to be an unbiased arbiter and correctly position the chart contents?

Yes no one can decide what centre actually is, by definition it has to be "where most people are". So really, it matters not what is right (if there is such a thing) or wrong. Centre has to be the most popular (not the noisiest- a critical distinction) or the most offended, or the most who feel their freedom is being taken away. Where the ratings are is actually is the most accurate definition of centre.

The centre is generally politically quiet. They are watching The Block, Masterchef or Netflix while a few noisy people furthest away to the right and left argue about what is "right".

[Tickford.]

More first hand evidence that COVID has life long health implications post "recovery" in middle aged adults who were healthy pre COVID.

Dr Nathalie MacDermott (a NIHR Academic Clinical Lecturer in Paediatrics (Infectious Diseases)), contracted COVID in March. She now has symptoms of Long-COVID.

Dr MacDermott is suffering serious, ongoing symptoms after contracting COVID-19 back in March.

When her feet went numb while driving, she knew something was seriously wrong.

Then came the searing pain in her back, radiating down her arms and legs, when she walked up stairs.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2...rious/12785934