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21-02-2018, 03:14 PM | #721 | |||
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21-02-2018, 03:30 PM | #722 | ||
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The USA is a petrol market. Diesels are for semi's and the biggest Super Duties for towing massive loads. Australia is a diesel market for utes and bigger SUV's. It's just the way it is.
Toyota had the V6 in the Hilux and it made up less than 2% of sales, so they dropped it last year. |
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21-02-2018, 03:58 PM | #723 | |||
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21-02-2018, 04:33 PM | #725 | ||
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I don't know about that, I live in country NSW and having a vehicle that can handle large bumps, deep ruts and big holes at speed and stay under control would come in pretty handy for just driving on our highways around here. I mean I feel like we are on a stage of the WRC just travelling from town to town sometimes
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21-02-2018, 05:56 PM | #726 | ||
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It all depends on how you tune it. Obviously a twin turbo 2.7 can have more power and torque, with a quicker throttle response. I hope they use a 400 hp 3.0 V6 with the same block. Same engine that’s in the Lincolns and upcoming Explorer ST.
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I can tell you this much.... I had a Ford Focus 'S' with auto for a few months.... and apart from the 'quarter mile', it will beat any F-150 Raptor on any road circuit..... without even trying.... and it ain't an 'ST', and certainly I wouldn't need an 'RS'
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Correct.... sensible means hardly anyone would waste their money, space and time on SUVs, there would be very few 4x4, and everyone would be buying in the best value for money segment: Corrolla, Focus, i30, Mazda3, etc....
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The head of Ford Performance in the US has already come and and answered that question.... without blatantly saying 'it's better', he is in love with the Ranger chassis/suspension and will be driving that architecture back into F-150
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21-02-2018, 09:49 PM | #731 | |||
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Today is a very different story. The average engine displacement is a lot smaller, and as mentioned in this thread already, the Aus market has migrated towards the smaller turbo diesels. And a little known truth - the Ranger here and in the US next year is pretty much an F100. The Ranger nameplate was introduced into the US F100 range is the early 70s (?) ...and the US Ranger was still built and sold in the US some ten years ago (less the F100 reference) So yeah... the F series trucks did very well in the 70s in Australia.... but today they are going gangbusters!
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The Ford F1. The post war compact truck that started it all
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Next generation... with Ranger trim level
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21-02-2018, 10:19 PM | #736 | ||
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It was around the mid 1970s that Ford in the US introduced the F150, with higher load ratings than the F100...
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Same but different
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In the mid 80s the F100 namelate was dropped, and the F150 began it's growth in size to where it is today. The Ranger nameplate was introduced to create a 'compact' pick up track of lower size and GVM....
Over the generations these pickups have all been known for capability to haul a load, and do it very well
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So... with T6 platform kicking off an all new Ranger in 2011, that has seen a huge boost in sales worldwide, Ford has been able to grow it and it's really bloody good news that these two vehicles are announced!
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yes indeed correct. the f150s got larger after the f100 was dropped...
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I work remotely a couple weeks at a time, and the trip is made in work's navara or courier. In theory the limit is 100, but the road is getting progressively worse over summer. Some sections doing much over 60 sends the utes sliding all over the road. Would this handle it much better? If I had spare cash or a better paying job I'd be tempted to find out. But then I recall the line about the suspension costing more than the engine. How long is that going to last, especially if you are driving it at speed on rough outback tracks? My girlfriend does prefer utes to wagons, so maybe I can convince her we need one when her current lease is up. |
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22-02-2018, 12:54 AM | #743 | ||
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Some nice ole’ rigs there bretts351 - interesting history. Cheers
Edit - that 50s front end, spooky - think I watched too many Mississippi burning type videos when I was little lol. Last edited by chrisandsharon; 22-02-2018 at 01:14 AM. |
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I think the name Ranger existed before the compact truck did, because I am sure there was an old F150 or F100 Ranger.
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22-02-2018, 08:50 AM | #746 | ||
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It didn't say it cost more than the engine. It said it was more than a small engine. It depends what a small engine he was talking about. Still expensive I'm sure.
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I’m no expert on FOX shocks but I’m sure they are a serviceable and a rebuildable item - you won’t be forking out for the cost of brand new shocks if
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22-02-2018, 11:49 AM | #748 | ||
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Slightly off subject...
I get that its an ideal general 4X4 vehicle (on paper) But from someone like me (not into offroading) who would be looking into buying a trade vehicle, would look at its carrying capacity 1st, proven durability 2nd, its towing capacity 3rd. , comfort 4th. I would imagine the US based F trucks (Dodge or GMC for that matter) have an advantage over Raptor in towing ability just based on being a longer wheelbase vehicle with a few engine options. The biggest problem I see with the Ranger Raptor (and any 4 door ute based 4X4 here) is the load area is not centred properly over the length of the wheel base, its 1 ton cap is rearward of its rear axle. Sure its WB is idea for off road capabilities which I understand why most people would buy it but I see a big problem with it (and the others like it) where uninformed owners start pulling large overweight loads, especially 5th wheelers with these type of vehicles. Gooseneck and 5th wheel should be positioned slightly ahead of the rear axle centre which these can not achieve. (unless using sliding 5th wheel couplings) The longer WB F truck and its opponents in the US seem idea for pulling large heavy loads and RV type trailers which we are seeing more here. With such a boom in the RV industry I'm surprised car dealers don't offer a factory alternatively suitable vehicles. There is more illegally overloaded trade, 5th wheelers and caravans now being let loose on our roads due to no understanding of buying the right vehicle for the job but who can blame them when they are given little choice in vehicles for such applications. Bringing me back to the Ranger in general If would be nice to see a future Ranger Raptor offered with a couple of different engine options and wheelbase options like manufacturer did in the past. Just an example.. my own Ford Traders were sold with 5 different wheelbases and had 3 different diesel engine options, wide cab narrow cab single cab or dual, single rear wheels or dual. I suppose in this global economy we now live in, one size fits all. Re the name Ranger, didn't it first appear on a 60's Valiant.
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My point exactly. No one wanted a boat anchor of an engine in the F series truck, the demand was for the powerstroke diesel.
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