New Ranger teaser vidz

[XtRmn8]

What do these moose tests from 5 years ago have anything to do with the new Ranger that none of us have driven yet?

Does anyone have any info on when we are likely to see the full specifications, brochurs and accessories for the new Ranger?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by jpd80

You also said “I don’t see how it could have a higher centre of gravity”
That random test in another country showed the difference exactly……

At first I couldn’t believe the difference myself but that extra track width can make
a huge difference when swerving and let’s not kid ourselves, a lot of those SUVs are
pretty ordinary performers in an emergency.

Because in post #725 I stated it was 68mm lower than a Ranger ....so how can the centre of gravity be higher?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

EXCEPT the Territory...anyone old enough to remember the mag test where they stated it out handled a base Commodore of the time.....and yes I know you can't buy one...and frankly I think I'm going to keep mine and store it when the wife decides which EV to finally buy one day...

And the Jaguar F-Pace, brilliant handling and not just for an SUV.

[FPV8U]

Quick chat with the dealer today, Order timelines seem to be very loose and pre-sales are exceptionally strong, XLT V6 circa 68-69K, Sport V6 71-72 on the road.

Probably looking at going the Sport with the Touring Pack, then will see on launch how competitive their accessories pricing is.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by XtRmn8

What do these moose tests from 5 years ago have anything to do with the new Ranger that none of us have driven yet?

Does anyone have any info on when we are likely to see the full specifications, brochurs and accessories for the new Ranger?

Ford web site has more info now: -


https://www.ford.com.au/showroom/fut...ext-gen-ranger

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Because in post #725 I stated it was 68mm lower than a Ranger ....so how can the centre of gravity be higher?

Possibly because it's also 45mm narrower?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Possibly because it's also 45mm narrower?

Which is greater 68 or 45

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Because in post #725 I stated it was 68mm lower than a Ranger ....so how can the centre of gravity be higher?

More of the Rangers weight could be in the chassis or lower down in the car? Taller doesn’t automatically mean a higher COG

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Which is greater 68 or 45

68mm difference is to the plastic roof rails on the wildtrak, it's 26mm on XLT etc.
The ranger is approximately 2% higher with a 4% wider wheel track.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XtRmn8

What do these moose tests from 5 years ago have anything to do with the new Ranger that none of us have driven yet?

Does anyone have any info on when we are likely to see the full specifications, brochurs and accessories for the new Ranger?

Some of us have driven it.

To add fuel to the fire the new rangers also have a wheel track that’s 50mm wider than the old model, which also makes it more stable.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Because in post #725 I stated it was 68mm lower than a Ranger ....so how can the centre of gravity be higher?

Edit, let’s try this…

Triton’s body height maybe 68mm lower but I doubt that there any reduction in ground clearance compared to Ranger, this tells us the bulk of the weight is located at a similar height while the narrower track has a greater affect on COG.
The other big determining factor for instability is body roll which is more apparent in the Triton.

We’ve come a long way from this….

[PooDog]

I only disputed Bossy pants who stated the Triton had a higher centre of gravity then I quoted the figures , and yes you are quite right Rangerest the running gear could be mounted lower lowering the COG but I would think it would be similar and the Triton is nearly 300kg lighter (2018 specs remember) which also has a bearing

Its rather interesting the lengths you fellas will go to to dis prove what I'm saying

[DFB FGXR6]

When you look at the chassis legs of Ranger compared to it's competitor, you will get a clue as to where the weight is on them.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by PooDog

I only disputed Bossy pants who stated the Triton had a higher centre of gravity then I quoted the figures , and yes you are quite right Rangerest the running gear could be mounted lower lowering the COG but I would think it would be similar and the Triton is nearly 300kg lighter (2018 specs remember) which also has a bearing

Actually, I found that the ground clearance is slightly less in the Triton 205mm to Ranger 237 mm so it is slightly lower. That and the reduced weight would seem to be in the Triton’s favour.

Also the weight difference is only 200kg if you compare Triton to 2.0 diesel Ranger.

A lot of Triton’s handling issue seems to be body roll as it was with Hilux, so maybe stiffer suspension is the key to solving perceived instability.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Actually, I found that the ground clearance is slightly less in the Triton 205mm to Ranger 237 mm so it is slightly lower. That and the reduced weight would seem to be in the Triton’s favour.

Also the weight difference is only 200kg if you compare Triton to 2.0 diesel Ranger.

A lot of Triton’s handling issue seems to be body roll as it was with Hilux, so maybe stiffer suspension is the key to solving perceived instability.

Yep I think that 300kg difference would have been with the 3.2l ,I think the 45mm narrower is possibly the 245 tyres compared to Rangers 265 ,with 265,s on my Triton they poke out the guards it actually handles quite well with soft compound Monstas on it

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by simon varley

as far as I know, the only Ford hybrid transmission available is the MHT for petrol.

Hybrid Trains as in Diesel electric locomotives RESS

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Mainly answering the centre of gravity discussion Triton vs Ranger but also
I wasn’t sure that I could post three videos but yeah, Hilux was downright embarrassing….

last thing I want to do is stick up for the Triton but you can see in the vid how much the Ranger slows down in the turn.

I've watched a few moose tests to believe the are manipulated by the driver.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

As Dr Smith said, Territory was pretty good but I remember X5 with those big tyres
stuck like glue, saw one swerving about, very impressive..

I can attest to both, & I had big tyres on the Territory too they both eat up windy country roads

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

last thing I want to do is stick up for the Triton but you can see in the vid how much the Ranger slows down in the turn.

I've watched a few moose tests to believe the are manipulated by the driver.

Thought the same seams to more mow down the cones ...looks heavy ....suppose 300kg,s would make a difference....guess the trade off the Triton’s a bit jittery

[stefcio007]

Are these already available to buy? I saw one on the great ocean road this weekend.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

Are these already available to buy? I saw one on the great ocean road this weekend.

None delivered yet as far as I know, but there are a number of full production spec vehicles in Fords hands.

[BENT_8]

With regards to the Triton/Ranger moose tests on the previous page, hardly an equal comparison when the Triton is carrying a canopy which would change its CofG considerably compared to the Ranger without one.
Id say the 69kph result is actually good considering.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

With regards to the Triton/Ranger moose tests on the previous page, hardly an equal comparison when the Triton is carrying a canopy which would change its CofG considerably compared to the Ranger without one.
Id say the 69kph result is actually good considering.

Missing from the discussion is also a critical component of stability and weight transfer. That is roll center height. Roll center height is a component of suspension type, mounting points of arms and springs.

[Trevor 57]

My son has pulled out of the purchase of the new Raptor, too new he reckons, will probably have 'new model' teething problems, he is getting rid of his Y62 for the same reason, he loves it but it has had some significant warranty issues and he doesn't want to go through it all again, getting stuck in the bush coz it throws codes

[FTE217]

don't blame him IF your a regular to serious off roader and with trailers etc....

I know a guy went off his cherry when the recent new Land Rover came out, he was old scholl loved the previous ones but this high tech one was the biggest PIA POS he ever had.
Killed him got ride of it, got the new 300Series coming.
Spouse that will be another late model offroad test ownership.
These things are getting too complicated for regular offroaders.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FTE217

don't blame him IF your a regular to serious off roader and with trailers etc....

I know a guy went off his cherry when the recent new Land Rover came out, he was old scholl loved the previous ones but this high tech one was the biggest PIA POS he ever had.
Killed him got ride of it, got the new 300Series coming.
Spouse that will be another late model offroad test ownership.
These things are getting too complicated for regular offroaders.

yes, he is serious off roader, and has put a put a deposit on something more in line with his needs

and yes, they are getting far too complicated for serious off roaders

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Quick chat with the dealer today, Order timelines seem to be very loose and pre-sales are exceptionally strong, XLT V6 circa 68-69K, Sport V6 71-72 on the road.

Probably looking at going the Sport with the Touring Pack, then will see on launch how competitive their accessories pricing is.

If it was me i would be waiting ....(kiwi scottish ancestry) the markets not right for buying a new vehicle more demand than supply....might be a glut of vehicles for sale in a year or so when supply catches up, the dealers are creaming it so most will be ordering as much as they can so they should end up with an over supply eventually ? thats the time to buy

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by PooDog

If it was me i would be waiting ....(kiwi scottish ancestry) the markets not right for buying a new vehicle more demand than supply....might be a glut of vehicles for sale in a year or so when supply catches up, the dealers are creaming it so most will be ordering as much as they can so they should end up with an over supply eventually ? thats the time to buy

The market is right for selling pretty much anything, as used car prices are also ridiculously high, changeover price is the thing that matters for most buyers, (unless you've been carless).
I sold my 2½yr old FX4 for 2k less than I paid for it, so my c/o is much less than I anticipated.

[Dr Smith]

Maybe local dealers can justify their dealer delivery charges if it involved making a hand-over this way

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by PooDog

If it was me i would be waiting ....(kiwi scottish ancestry) the markets not right for buying a new vehicle more demand than supply....might be a glut of vehicles for sale in a year or so when supply catches up, the dealers are creaming it so most will be ordering as much as they can so they should end up with an over supply eventually ? thats the time to buy

Why would manufacturers ever choose to go back to a glut of vehicles?
What we perceive as a future glut of vehicles could in fact be a well supplied market but definitely not oversupplied.

My vision of return to “normal” is the following,
All the big holding yards will be full of vehicles but as now, most will already be presold, the only difference
will be shorter wait times and a bit more fast moving dealer stock to appease walk-ins who want it right now.
The above will be mostly the same as pre covid times but with less unsold stock and very controlled discounting.

You are right, it’s natural to assume that some dealers will get greedy and over order stock but I suspect that
a certain equilibrium will be reached where the market is adequately supplied and small controlled discounts
used as intended, to increase sales to dealers without ruining profit margins .