Covid 19 -

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Fed

Aside from killing the old sick people they say it also eats the lungs of the younger healthy people leaving permanent damage. I wouldn't like that.

have seen it stated (but cant say if true) that it can do the same to the liver as well and id agree with you that I wouldn't like that

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah the Yanks seem to have the idea,don’t worry about food or clothing etc,just make sure you have plenty of guns and ammo.See they are limiting purchase of 9mm ammo to 100 rounds per person.Number 1 why do they need guns anyway.Number 2 why would they need 100 rounds.

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also, I don't want to be the guy up the road with plenty of supplies but no firearms to protect it.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by asagaai

The anger will start- we had an interesting discussion at home tonight how there has been no statement by the Chinese leadership saying they regret what is going on. I would not expect an apology from Asians- loss of face in their culture and all that crap. But come on just saying we really regret the pain this virus which appears to have come from Wuhan is causing....?

It's going to be a bloodbath in the US. There's going to be a lot of anger directed toward the Chinese. It's not the first time they tried to cover it up, they did the same with SARS. Trump will act. I can see significant trade sanctions against the Chinese from the US. It remains to be seen whether other nations decide to follow suit.

I suspect the tolerance for China will fall, especially if as the conspiracy theorists point out, China looks to snap up western assets/companies on the cheap.

[buggerlugs]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

Does that really surprise anyone though? Of course there isn't enough medical equipment to go around.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sioso

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also, I don't want to be the guy up the road with plenty of supplies but no firearms to protect it.

Buy guns and ammo, then you can take all the supplies from your lefty anti gun neighbor who kindly amassed all these supplies for you and can't defend themselves

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by b0son

I suspect the tolerance for China will fall, especially if as the conspiracy theorists point out, China looks to snap up western assets/companies on the cheap.

Also watch this space on OZ government rescue packages for many companies. Virgin would be a decent example. In financial stress, big employer and is heavily lobbying the gov for a support package. Virgin is around 90% foreign owned. A Middle East Airline, A Chinese Airline and another Chinese financial group. Where do you think our money may end up? Would make GM look like snow white. I hope our Gov is careful how they award such support.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by wodahs

so ?

which could also make a conspiracy theory seem more valid to some

by my comment as i tried had to do so was a so tongue in cheek reply (and thats why i made the second post as fast as the first) to some of the posts made here and comments made in them and to be taken with no validity at all

Hey right or wrong Trump has, and will lay this on China, i may have taken your post a bit out of context, read it fast.
Cheers.

[b0son]

Anyone who thinks we're starting to get it under control, think again. The reason we had a dip in new cases was because the testing was not ramping up with the projected rise from 24th to 25th, and actually fell by half on the 27th. IOW, they were rationing test kits. Expect the case count to start ramping back up over the next few days. The effects of the formal stage 1 restrictions are unlikely to be observable til some time later this week.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Trump Orders General Motors to Make Ventilators
Wall Street Journal-25 minutes ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...rs-11585327749

And yet Ford complied last week

Originally Posted by Sioso

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also....

I did not ... I'll let you know how it goes

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

I did not ... I'll let you know how it goes

Keep in mind my view of America comes from Hollywood, if I entered a convenience store over there at night and it didn't get held up I'd be shocked!

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

You sure their health system is better??

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Best Healthcare in the world by population 2020.

2. Italy
32. Australia

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rld/#dataTable


The Bloomberg annual study, Most Efficient Health Care 2018.

4. Italy
8. Australia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ngapore-at-top

Also, I have a family friend who is a Doctor and is a dual national (Australia/Italy). He's between Italy and Australia a bit, and often praises Italy's health system more when compared to Australia. This is of course second hand information and not my own experience. But I have no reason to not believe him.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by b0son

I suspect the tolerance for China will fall, especially if as the conspiracy theorists point out, China looks to snap up western assets/companies on the cheap.

Not really a conspiracy if you do some homework. China has being buying up the most Australian stock since they crashed.

Also, business insiders saying CH7 will be looking for a buyer soon if things keep going as they have been. CH7 are in a spot of bother with all the sports they paid millions for now not going ahead. Guess who has shown interest in purchasing CH7?

SEVEN GROUP HOLDINGS LIMITED stock price currently about the $11 mark. Was over $21 end of Feb 2020.

https://www.asx.com.au/asx/share-pri...ch/company/SVW

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Best Healthcare in the world by population 2020.

2. Italy
32. Australia

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rld/#dataTable


The Bloomberg annual study, Most Efficient Health Care 2018.

4. Italy
8. Australia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ngapore-at-top

Also, I have a family friend who is a Doctor and is a dual national (Australia/Italy). He's between Italy and Australia a bit, and often praises Italy's health system more when compared to Australia. This is of course second hand information and not my own experience. But I have no reason to not believe him.

On this list Australia is 10th and Italy is 37th.

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/reve...-systems-2019/

This one we're 8th.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...th-care-system

This one we're 7th.

https://www.cignaglobal.com/top-10-c...athcare-system

And this one we're 2nd.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-world/8716326

[XR Martin]

Oops.
Please delete.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Italy's health system is not better than ours.

Speaking from experience.

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[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Have to correct a mixup in my post above. It should read Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much higher than ours.

XR Martin, as I said, Italy has a better system per capita. And one of those links you posted confirms what I said about Australia having the 8th best developed system. But Italy has a better system, again, per capita. They have well over twice the population we have.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

Interesting fact and something that stands out foremost and quite alarming when I first opened this link !!!!.

Here we have a handful of specialists and they are not practising the most paramount thing we are told to date......... social distancing !!!!.

Also to note, that one of the Doctors (pic'd) has contracted covid.

I work in Healthcare and this is rammed into us to be paramount, but this pic is a standout issue for me.

[Tickford.]

That will be one of if not the biggest issue here in Australia too. Medical staff, nurses, doctors, etc., contracting the CV. And then having to isolate. Which means less and less staff available as more and more cases come in. Which in turn puts additional pressure on the remaining staff. This is also something the overseas medical professionals had warned us about.

It's already begun - with doctors and nurses around Australia testing positive. Now having to isolate.

Example of a case reported a few days ago:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/four...25-p54dmg.html

[galaxy xr8]

https://nationalfile.com/chinese-com...lies-to-china/


Under investigation ?.

[Falcon SXR8]

I'm finding it amazing how many people on social media have a friend, or a friend of a friend who is a " highly qualified professional in the medical field" and can give out " insider information "

And a tip for the people without guns as a protection. You have a small supply of food for the gun nuts when they come and keep your real supply well hidden. Most the gun nuts will be killed by each other fairly quickly anyway trying to defend there toilet paper.

And that's advice from a friend of a friend of mine who is the highest ranking officer in the australian defense force, so you can believe it

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

How are you all doing round Oz ? All I've been doing all week , lost count how many times I've done it is wipe , spray , wipe , spray disinfectant . Not my job to do to this degree but before I think of whinging I know I should thank my lucky stars that I have a secure public sector job and not struggling like so many of my fellow Aussies are .

What a bitch of a year it is . Drought , Bushfires and Pandemics and it's only March . What's next ...Cyclones , Tornadoes and Floods ...probably .

Not going to rant on about pollies here or anywhere else or because that's no good . Just hoping that in the next few months that losses from this rotten little disease will be kept to a minimum , not least here on our patch and some okay rains will hit still drought ridden areas and those still recovering from the fires will have some good outcomes in among the pestilence .

For those of us single or family members not impacted medically or financially lets just suck it up , be grateful , don't rant on about how tough we might think we have it and consider if there is anything we can do to help .

If nothing else all this has made me think and reassess what's really important in my own circumstances..If not following AFL , no car racing , no big get togethers or being able to go out for tea or going long distances etc is high priority then it's a small price to pay personally IMO even if I have to incessantly wipe , spray disinfect all day long at work .

We're doing ok thanks Roddy, our household went into self induced semi-isolation from Tuesday morning only venturing out for essential activities like work and basic shopping in off peak times.
We actually sat down as a family for the first time in God knows how long and had lunch together today, bacon and eggs cooked on the Weber.

My Wife's employer has gone into full lock down so only employee's can go in or out, 2 of my kids work in fast food and with restaurant dining closing their hours have been reduced, my Daughter recently landed a job in the healthcare industry but unfortunately due to current developments her training has been postponed so she's having to manage on her reduced hours in her current job, the positive is though, that she's having less outside contact and isn't going anywhere to require extra cash at the moment.
My eldest son recently landed a job with a bank in their call centre and although still in training, is flat out with calls from customers needing help, he's been fast tracked as a result and is loving it.

I finished up yesterday, 2 weeks ahead of our usual shutdown for holidays, however, with SA Schools closing down a week early I was only looking at 1 week loss, then by the time I did my final drop off yesterday there we're no kids left on my run so i'd have been out of a job yesterday regardless, another 4 drivers found themselves in the same boat yesterday afternoon, ironic really.

On a personal positive note, the Governments lifeline to small business has given my employer hope and so they're going to keep the doors open for now to see what happens and I've negotiated with them to keep my position open in case they return to trading when we get a better picture of what the future brings.
I put in an expression of interest with Woolworths yesterday as they're looking to take on quite a few people in various positions, so a job driving one of their trucks would be a good alternative if it comes to it.

I didn't really want to walk away as I love the job but with a Wife working in aged care and our school aged children already withdrawn from school it was a decision to limit her exposure and in turn, the people she provides for and we felt it was worthwhile.
Not much point having our kids out of the school environment if im driving other people's kids around twice a day.
I actually had someone say to me that I was only walking away so I could claim the Governments welfare money, he soon backtracked when I explained that my Wife earns more than the jobseeker threshold allows and so i'd be able to claim the grand total of **** all.

Moving outside of our home environment, I've actually noticed some positives coming through amongst the punters on the street, people are actually respecting peoples space and accommodating one another.
As someone said on the radio yesterday, when this is all over people will actually appreciate the things which we've taken for granted for so long.

Stay safe and healthy guys.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Everyone that has died in Italy had a minimum of 3 complicating factors before they died. Lung and heart issues, diabetes and liver troubles. And an average age of 80. It’s a virus like every other virus, and will kill anyone with those complicating factors at that age. The media is fear mongered everyone to shut down the world.
There’s reason to believe this was specifically done to go after Trump.To ruin the economy, to make him look bad.
This is not as wide spread as it’s made out to be. The modelling relied on is wrong by up to 80%. The medical findings aren’t matching the modelling.The research virologists have been lying to the governments.
Watch Dr Deborah Birk, White House Corona Virus Response Coordinator debunk the lies and misinformation spread about the spread, infection rate and death rate peddled by the media. 2 million American's dying from CV-19? Utter BS.

[Romulus]

And this is exactly the type of fear and misinformation peddled by #TheirABC.

Nothing but modelling and assumptions. MSM should realise not everyone has double digit IQ’s who believe this garbage.

[marty351]

Sry..https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by marty351

Sry..https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

Link not working

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Romulus

There’s reason to believe this was specifically done to go after Trump.To ruin the economy, to make him look bad.

Dumbest **** I ever read.
Why not say it was done to make the sweatshops full of Chinese workers in Italy look bad? The fashion houses charging top dollar for "made in Italy" goods didn't want to pay local labour rates so they imported Chinese workers to work for low pay in sweatshops.

Or why not say this is good for the USA because it punishes Iran because they were getting stuff (contravening sanctions, maybe weapons for oil etc) from China?

You'd have to be an idiot to think this has anything to do with undermining Trump. He doesn't need help to look bad! Also this damages the opposition the most because it stops them campaigning and doing primaries.

This virus got out of China because capitalism - so many foreign countries use chinese labourers because they're cheap. Euro fashion industry, staff on ships etc. They all went home for Chinese New Year and spread the virus after coming back to work.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by oldel

Dumbest **** I ever read.
Why not say it was done to make the sweatshops full of Chinese workers in Italy look bad? The fashion houses charging top dollar for "made in Italy" goods didn't want to pay local labour rates so they imported Chinese workers to work for low pay in sweatshops.

Or why not say this is good for the USA because it punishes Iran because they were getting stuff (contravening sanctions, maybe weapons for oil etc) from China?

US intelligence knew about Covid-19 in November 2019. It’s a game of diplomacy at the moment until we’re on top of this issue. Then it will be all about restitution, whether China likes it or not.

You’re not one of those double digit IQ folk who believed this came from a fish market in Wuhan?

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

And a tip for the people without guns as a protection. You have a small supply of food for the gun nuts when they come and keep your real supply well hidden. Most the gun nuts will be killed by each other fairly quickly anyway trying to defend there toilet paper.

And that's advice from a friend of a friend of mine who is the highest ranking officer in the australian defense force, so you can believe it

Mate, I totally get the point of your post and the friend of a friends neighbour social media rumour mill. I totally agree there’s so much misinformation out there.

But for those of us with very real friends in the US I can assure you it’s a very real threat. I doubt a burger, fries and a coke will satisfy the assailants needs, but I’ll pass it on, I’m sure she will feel reassured by this recommendation as she has a gun wielding drug starved whacker holding up her shop or home and pointing a gun up her left nostril and god knows what else up other orifaces .

Sorry mate, just a bit of a tender spot for me as I’m concerned for her, but I do understand what your getting at, cheers.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

US intelligence knew about Covid-19 in November 2019.

Link please.