New Ranger teaser vidz

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

The market is right for selling pretty much anything, as used car prices are also ridiculously high, changeover price is the thing that matters for most buyers, (unless you've been carless).
I sold my 2½yr old FX4 for 2k less than I paid for it, so my c/o is much less than I anticipated.

Great to hear RANGEREST, many people don’t understand that in the end, it’s all about changeover.
There’s a ravenous, under supplied used car market at the moment and that shouldn’t be overlooked.

[RANGEREST]

Would any of you guys happen to know tyre sizes on the next gen Ranger? Over on factbook they're talking 255/65/18 for the Sport and Wildtrak.
255/65 seems to be an odd spec, with 265/65 being more common.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Maybe local dealers can justify their dealer delivery charges if it involved making a hand-over this way

A lot of the marketing/hype seems to be around the Raptor. Dunno why as 95+ percent sold will be the other Ranger variants.

[sprintman1]

They should concentrate on fixing the engine problems. Large holes in the side of the block aren’t a welcome feature…

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

They should concentrate on fixing the engine problems. Large holes in the side of the block aren’t a welcome feature…

Which engine?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

They should concentrate on fixing the engine problems. Large holes in the side of the block aren’t a welcome feature…

Y'know with nearly 3000 threads and nearly 40,000 posts in the Ranger/Courier section here I would have thought that someone would have said something about this.

But nope...nothing. More information please.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Y'know with nearly 3000 threads and nearly 40,000 posts in the Ranger/Courier section here I would have thought that someone would have said something about this.

But nope...nothing. More information please.

Troll alert

[Gumboot]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

They should concentrate on fixing the engine problems. Large holes in the side of the block aren’t a welcome feature…

I haven’t heard this being an issue. Which model ranger and engine? Any
Empirical evidence?

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

I haven’t heard this being an issue. Which model ranger and engine? Any
Empirical evidence?

Only a guess, but possibly the lion V6 back in Jag Land Rover days? which was breaking cranks and have been redesigned.
(sourced from a UK page)
"all of them concurred that the reason for the breakages is an incorrect radius undercut, (between #2 big end and #2 main) i.e. that undercut being too shallow.*This will result in a predetermined potential breaking point (Sollbruchstelle in German)."

[JKL]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Would any of you guys happen to know tyre sizes on the next gen Ranger? Over on factbook they're talking 255/65/18 for the Sport and Wildtrak.
255/65 seems to be an odd spec, with 265/65 being more common.

The 265 tyre would make sense any word on the rims are they the same offset as current rangers??? Thanks in advance.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Y'know with nearly 3000 threads and nearly 40,000 posts in the Ranger/Courier section here I would have thought that someone would have said something about this.

But nope...nothing. More information please.

His mates cousins brothers best mates dads uncle told him all about it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Only a guess, but possibly the lion V6 back in Jag Land Rover days? which was breaking cranks and have been redesigned.
(sourced from a UK page)
"all of them concurred that the reason for the breakages is an incorrect radius undercut, (between #2 big end and #2 main) i.e. that undercut being too shallow.*This will result in a predetermined potential breaking point (Sollbruchstelle in German)."

Obviously not realising that the cast crank has been replaced by a steel forging and the oil system upgraded

[Gumboot]

I was looking at all the info but cannot find anywhere the following two items on the new gen V6 raptor

1. Fuel tank size in litres

2. What is the alternator amperage output on the V6 3.0 petrol raptor is?. Its got the accessory switch panel so i wonder if they ate doing the high amperage alternator (250 amp) like to the current fx4 Max ?

thanks

[mattrobbo26]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

I was looking at all the info but cannot find anywhere the following two items on the new gen V6 raptor

1. Fuel tank size in litres

2. What is the alternator amperage output on the V6 3.0 petrol raptor is?. Its got the accessory switch panel so i wonder if they ate doing the high amperage alternator (250 amp) like to the current fx4 Max ?

thanks

1. I don't remember where exactly but I'm pretty sure in one of the articles discussing the development of a long range tank for the standard Ranger and not one for the Raptor they said the Raptor tank was 80L.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

They should concentrate on fixing the engine problems. Large holes in the side of the block aren’t a welcome feature…

I have heard of a few issues with the 5 cylinder, but nothing like huge holes. So what's the story?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Would any of you guys happen to know tyre sizes on the next gen Ranger? Over on factbook they're talking 255/65/18 for the Sport and Wildtrak.
255/65 seems to be an odd spec, with 265/65 being more common.

Originally Posted by JKL

The 265 tyre would make sense any word on the rims are they the same offset as current rangers??? Thanks in advance.

The switch has been made to slightly narrower, but taller tyres for P703. Yes the 255/65/18 is correct, on an 18x7.5 +55 rim. Half an inch narrower rim than P375. 17 inch is 255/70/17 on a 17x7.5 +55.

20 inch is 255/55/20 on a 20x8, and Everest 21 inch is a 275/45/21 on a 21x8.5.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Why would manufacturers ever choose to go back to a glut of vehicles?
What we perceive as a future glut of vehicles could in fact be a well supplied market but definitely not oversupplied.

My vision of return to “normal” is the following,
All the big holding yards will be full of vehicles but as now, most will already be presold, the only difference
will be shorter wait times and a bit more fast moving dealer stock to appease walk-ins who want it right now.
The above will be mostly the same as pre covid times but with less unsold stock and very controlled discounting.

You are right, it’s natural to assume that some dealers will get greedy and over order stock but I suspect that
a certain equilibrium will be reached where the market is adequately supplied and small controlled discounts
used as intended, to increase sales to dealers without ruining profit margins .

Problem is manufacturers are moving to extra shifts etc. once you beef your production up it’s hard to turn it back down. There will be a time where we see an over supply of vehicles again, as much as manufacturers will try their best to avoid it. Increases in costs of money will see people slow down, when I was a kid in the 80’s / 90’s people ran their cars a lot longer. With interest rates going back up I can see this happening again.

Cars are also at a point now where the technology isn’t really evolving and most manufacturers now offer 5 years warranty. I could happily keep my PX3 ranger and not upgrade it for many years there is nothing it doesn’t do well.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Troll alert

Trouble is a stupid unsubstantiated comment like his could cost Ford a sale

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Problem is manufacturers are moving to extra shifts etc. once you beef your production up it’s hard to turn it back down. There will be a time where we see an over supply of vehicles again, as much as manufacturers will try their best to avoid it.

I’m sorry, what manufacturers are moving to extra shifts?
All I’m hearing is that as chip supplies improve, production is returning to normal and that is a long way from over supply.

Increases in costs of money will see people slow down, when I was a kid in the 80’s / 90’s people ran their cars a lot longer. With interest rates going back up I can see this happening again.

One of the very big differences between then and now is that manufacturers have learned not to sell into a bubble, these days, most would sooner cut production and keep prices up rather than waste time over producing and selling at reduced margins into such a small market like Australia.

Cars are also at a point now where the technology isn’t really evolving and most manufacturers now offer 5 years warranty. I could happily keep my PX3 ranger and not upgrade it for many years there is nothing it doesn’t do well.

While that sounds plausible, it might be wise to move it on when seven or eight years old and walk away a winner….
it’s knowing when to trade for a good price before any unexpected major repairs…….let the next buyer deal with that.

[Gumboot]

Originally Posted by mattrobbo26

1. I don't remember where exactly but I'm pretty sure in one of the articles discussing the development of a long range tank for the standard Ranger and not one for the Raptor they said the Raptor tank was 80L.

thanks, shame they could not get in a bit more than 80 litres say 100 litres as it will drink a bit I think . Hopefully a long range tank can be slotted in

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m sorry, what manufacturers are moving to extra shifts?
All I’m hearing is that as chip supplies improve, production is returning to normal and that is a long way from over supply.

One of the very big differences between then and now is that manufacturers have learned not to sell into a bubble, these days, most would sooner cut production and keep prices up rather than waste time over producing and selling at reduced margins into such a small market like Australia.


While that sounds plausible, it might be wise to move it on when seven or eight years old and walk away a winner….
it’s knowing when to trade for a good price before any unexpected major repairs…….let the next buyer deal with that.

Your ears must not be close to the ground.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Your ears must not be close to the ground.

OK since you think over supply of vehicles will happen in the future,
add your prediction to your signature as a constant reminder to me
and that way you can keep throwing it in my face when you’re right.

I just don’t know if I’ll live that long…..

[b0son]

Originally Posted by jpd80

One of the very big differences between then and now is that manufacturers have learned not to sell into a bubble, these days, most would sooner cut production and keep prices up rather than waste time over producing and selling at reduced margins

It's a balancing act. The factories have huge fixed overheads regardless of how many units they're produce. You cant just keep cutting production and return the same margin per unit. At some point, models simply die, and we saw that even when times were good. You'll see plenty more of that as rates rise and buyers stop buying.

The only saving grace is that as the industry moves toward EVs, by design they are far more modular so the makers should be able to stretch one platform a lot further.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by b0son

It's a balancing act. The factories have huge fixed overheads regardless of how many units they're produce. You cant just keep cutting production and return the same margin per unit. At some point, models simply die, and we saw that even when times were good. You'll see plenty more of that as rates rise and buyers stop buying.

Unlike the past, there’s no local light vehicle production to pile up and none of those overseas plants
rely heavily on Australia for most of their sales. So if too many unsold vehicles start coming to Australia,
they’ll just stop the boats…

In the past, a lot of so called fixed costs were assumed to be just that but today’s lean manufacturing
shows just how many costs can be apportioned to units built, anything above single shift operation
is now considered incremental to costs and can be added and removed as required.

What we seeing at the moment is forced reduction and stoppages of production, not customer rejection
so the situation is one of manufacturers trying to return to normal production levels not building excess.

I get the point, that economic down turns can and do happen but thanks to just in time ordering, most plants
can adjust production of vehicles fairly quickly, it’s not like old Detroit wher they just keep building to inventory.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by jpd80

thanks to just in time ordering, most plants
can adjust production of vehicles fairly quickly

the downside being the opportunity cost when your components dont make it just in time :P

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by b0son

the downside being the opportunity cost when your components dont make it just in time :P

Ironically, the chip shortage forced many in the industry to focus on their most profitable products,
Ford for one did very well out of its automotive segment ($10 B EBIT) even with 500k drop in US sales
The savings from not spending on manufacturing those 500k vehicles plus reduced discounting was
a surprise to the bean counters…you would never do that in a normal environment but now
every auto manufacturer has seen how buyers actually react….

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

thanks, shame they could not get in a bit more than 80 litres say 100 litres as it will drink a bit I think . Hopefully a long range tank can be slotted in

For the 3.0? It should be better than you think.. 600NM through a 10 speed will have it barely revving.

I couldn't find an exact figure but I believe the F150 gets between 22 - 25MPG which is around 10L/100. some claim 30MPG

so expect better than that

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ironically, the chip shortage forced many in the industry to focus on their most profitable products,
Ford for one did very well out of its automotive segment ($10 B EBIT) even with 500k drop in US sales
The savings from not spending on manufacturing those 500k vehicles plus reduced discounting was
a surprise to the bean counters…you would never do that in a normal environment but now
every auto manufacturer has seen how buyers actually react….

I went into a Cafe on the Ski Slopes years ago and they had about 8 Variations of pastas.
I thought at the time how efficient the place would be if it only had one, all the customers were coming in starving anyway.

we are spoilt for choice

[Bossxr8]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/electr...teased-by-ceo/

Farley's comments about another EV pick up due in 2025 pretty much give it away.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

For the 3.0? It should be better than you think.. 600NM through a 10 speed will have it barely revving.

I couldn't find an exact figure but I believe the F150 gets between 22 - 25MPG which is around 10L/100. some claim 30MPG

so expect better than that

How ironic that the 3.0 Powerstroke is so well matched to the Ranger/Everest
that there could be little if any fuel economy penalty over the 2.0 diesel..