Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[Yellow_Festiva]

True... but I was really impressed after watching that youtube clip of the Skyline vs the original 86.

Couldn't catch up... you would assume the Skyline would have a greater power advantage?

Or am I the only one who thought that clip was somewhat staged? It did look like the driver of the 86 was really pushing the limit, while not that much for the Skyline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coLD8JwtToI

Most would look at the 2 cars and say you were racing a genuine sports car against what looks like a 2dr Corolla...

Man... thats driving!

[SteveJH]

The Skyline looked and sounded fairly standard, the AE86 looked pretty race prepped, and that driver was working HARD.

[falconnut]

Haha the end was classic i just burst out laughing, i wonder when vids of the ft86 will surface.

[Nikked]

'86 looks like heaps more fun then the R34

[tranquilized]

The Subarus didn't last long...

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...716-22613.html

Subaru BRZ sells out in three hours

Joshua Dowling

Buyers spend $37,000 each online as Subaru pockets $5.5 million in orders

It wasn’t quite the same frenzy as queuing outside an Apple store for a new iPhone, but it was close.

The Subaru BRZ coupe – claimed to be the first new car in Australia on sale exclusively online – has sold out in just three hours, which is believed to be a new record locally.

Australian bidding for the international hit opened at midday today, but got off to a slow start as the Subaru website struggled when internet traffic quadrupled.

[Brazen]

Subarus online allotment of BRZs have just sold out after being on sale for three hours.

[MITCHAY]

I'd imagine some people will flog their ticket in the queue for a premium given the short supply.

[Poetic Justice]

Yeah, I wonder how many people intended to sell it once they got it.

[nstg8a]

I wonder how many other car makers are watching how well these things are selling...

Even the on here a predominantly falcon based forum it's huge, look at the views and replies this thread has got....


People obviously are saying this is what the market wants, a cheap reasonably basic rwd coupe. Who said two doors don't sell? You just need the right setup.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

a million you say?

name 3.

three brand new rwd coupes with plenty of power for less than 35k.

They don't need to be new, because if you pull the engine out you've ruined your warranty anyway.

With that said, take your pick from a mountain of cars from Mazda, Datsun, Nissan, Holden, Ford etc etc etc.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Nic85

They don't need to be new, because if you pull the engine out you've ruined your warranty anyway.

With that said, take your pick from a mountain of cars from Mazda, Datsun, Nissan, Holden, Ford etc etc etc.

My pulling the motor comment was very much tongue in cheek.


Simple fact is there's nothing comparable on the market for less.

Bringing second hand cars into it is just a copout imo.

[2011G6E]

Look back from today and see what the power output of RX7's and Supras was. Not a lot by some of the cars of today.
And the Corvette a "sportscar"...? Please...just because something can pull a high G rating going round and round on a skidpan doesn't make it a sweet handler...

As interesting and ground breaking a car this is for Toyota, unfortunately I don't think the sales will really take off amongst the hard core car enthusiast fraternity until they can change peoples mindset that the one and only thing that makes a car interesting and fun is, to quote Clarkson, "POWER!!!!!".

I've noticed a lot of it in this one thread alone. Luckily for Toyota though the majority by far of car buyers couldn't care less about power output, quarter mile times, or even 0-100 times. They want style, reasonable comfort, and if something can be marketed as truly "fun" to drive and back it up with the handling to prove it, then they're on a winner.

I think some people who have only ever driven cars that hide poor handling and sloppy suspension balance with oodles of horsepower would be pleasantly surprised to drive something with light weight, a sweet chassis, and great handling, but not a lot of power.

Loved that Youtube clip of the AE86and the R34...you could see the guy dealing with the weight of the R34 (and on the brakes a lot more often) while the less powerful but much nimbler Hatchiroku just skipped around the bends.

[atmoxr6]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

True... but I was really impressed after watching that youtube clip of the Skyline vs the original 86.

Couldn't catch up... you would assume the Skyline would have a greater power advantage?

Or am I the only one who thought that clip was somewhat staged? It did look like the driver of the 86 was really pushing the limit, while not that much for the Skyline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coLD8JwtToI

Most would look at the 2 cars and say you were racing a genuine sports car against what looks like a 2dr Corolla...

Man... thats driving!

the guy in the AE86 is famous in japan, basicaly invented drifting, if that wasn't his 86-he's got one just like it. have a look at fastnfurious tokyo drift, he's in the movie.

[SteveJH]

Toyota & Subaru are being smart with this car, by limiting production it means that they can keep the sales going at a good level for longer.

With these sort of cars they tend to be very popular initially, but once the initial excitment has worn off (or all the people interested in it have got one) sales tend to fall off massively. Even if they sell the same number of cars over 3 years as they would in 1 or 2 years with expanded production, they wont have the massive costs of either shifting production to other models or shutting down plants when sales start to slow.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

True... but I was really impressed after watching that youtube clip of the Skyline vs the original 86.

Couldn't catch up... you would assume the Skyline would have a greater power advantage?

Or am I the only one who thought that clip was somewhat staged? It did look like the driver of the 86 was really pushing the limit, while not that much for the Skyline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coLD8JwtToI

Most would look at the 2 cars and say you were racing a genuine sports car against what looks like a 2dr Corolla...

Man... thats driving!

dunno if i`d call it staged, but 2 different drivers 2 different cars, the guy in the 86 was driving on the edge, the other guy seemed more cautious, and it`s horses for courses, smaller nimble cars rarely loose ground on tight curves, change the scenario around , put them on a wider longer track watch the tables turn.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by mik

dunno if i`d call it staged, but 2 different drivers 2 different cars, the guy in the 86 was driving on the edge, the other guy seemed more cautious, and it`s horses for courses, smaller nimble cars rarely loose ground on tight curves, change the scenario around , put them on a wider longer track watch the tables turn.

they should have switched drivers for the second run and see if any difference.

[crymoarpls]

Originally Posted by atmoxr6

the guy in the AE86 is famous in japan, basicaly invented drifting, if that wasn't his 86-he's got one just like it. have a look at fastnfurious tokyo drift, he's in the movie.

tsuchiya is the driver in the 86 ad where they talk about the ultimate driver. i am a big fan of the hot version dvds that he and his mates who are often drift or jgtc drivers are in. their touge battles are amazing and tuned ae86s have done very well on there. but they still have horsepower classes because while handling is vital on the touge horsepower also plays a huge role.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

My pulling the motor comment was very much tongue in cheek.


Simple fact is there's nothing comparable on the market for less.

Bringing second hand cars into it is just a copout imo.

I wasn't the one who mentioned ripping the motor out, you were. Saying it was a tongue in cheek comment is just a copout, IMO.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Subarus online allotment of BRZs have just sold out after being on sale for three hours.

Incedible, This may very well change the way cars are sold in Australia.
Question: do they pay dealer delivery?

[Fiesta_Man69]

Found the tv ad with the 86 'drifting' very interesting... its quite laughable that it had to 'drift' on sand..... probably because the 86 doesn't have the hp to pull big lurid slides on tarmac....

Also, for the 86 with decent brakes and wheel diameter it will cost $35K... and you can buy a rwd, 2 door coupe with 270kW and 550Nm for $39K driveaway at the moment.... the SS ute.... I know which would be best, and there's only a few bucks in it...

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Incedible, This may very well change the way cars are sold in Australia.
Question: do they pay dealer delivery?

The price quoted was on the road no more to pay, you simply had to select which dealer you wanted to pick it up from.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Also, for the 86 with decent brakes and wheel diameter it will cost $35K... and you can buy a rwd, 2 door coupe with 270kW and 550Nm for $39K driveaway at the moment.... the SS ute.... I know which would be best, and there's only a few bucks in it...

It's not a coupe, it's a ute.

I can't get my head around how you can try to compare 2 cars that are so completely different and aimed at completely people.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Also, for the 86 with decent brakes and wheel diameter it will cost $35K... and you can buy a rwd, 2 door coupe with 270kW and 550Nm for $39K driveaway at the moment.... the SS ute.... I know which would be best, and there's only a few bucks in it...

Ah.. such good humour.


You are joking, right?

[Vesper Martini]

Not that we should be comparing a ute but where did you get 39k they are nearly 10 grand dearer, wait, dont answer..

[turbodewd]

I dont understand this. As a daily driver this car will be shtt, its slower 0-100 than the 4 cylinder falcon! And you have to rev its tits off to crack its peak torque figure. Hopeless.

So clearly its only good for the track...

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by mik

dunno if i`d call it staged, but 2 different drivers 2 different cars, the guy in the 86 was driving on the edge, the other guy seemed more cautious, and it`s horses for courses, smaller nimble cars rarely loose ground on tight curves, change the scenario around , put them on a wider longer track watch the tables turn.

It's definitely staged. It's just a fun video depicting the GTR getting it's *** handed to it by the cheeky litte AE86

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Look back from today and see what the power output of RX7's and Supras was. Not a lot by some of the cars of today.
And the Corvette a "sportscar"...? Please...just because something can pull a high G rating going round and round on a skidpan doesn't make it a sweet handler...

As interesting and ground breaking a car this is for Toyota, unfortunately I don't think the sales will really take off amongst the hard core car enthusiast fraternity until they can change peoples mindset that the one and only thing that makes a car interesting and fun is, to quote Clarkson, "POWER!!!!!".

I've noticed a lot of it in this one thread alone. Luckily for Toyota though the majority by far of car buyers couldn't care less about power output, quarter mile times, or even 0-100 times. They want style, reasonable comfort, and if something can be marketed as truly "fun" to drive and back it up with the handling to prove it, then they're on a winner.

I think some people who have only ever driven cars that hide poor handling and sloppy suspension balance with oodles of horsepower would be pleasantly surprised to drive something with light weight, a sweet chassis, and great handling, but not a lot of power.

Loved that Youtube clip of the AE86and the R34...you could see the guy dealing with the weight of the R34 (and on the brakes a lot more often) while the less powerful but much nimbler Hatchiroku just skipped around the bends.

Yes, more power is a great way to hide a poor chassis

Yes, the GTR would be a real stuggle with all that weight. They are notoriously incapable around a track. Probably desinged for towing or something.

Seriously, some of the Ricer comments on here show a lot of experience..........on the internet

Puts the 86 in danger of becoming the next Integra style butt of everyones jokes (don neck brace and clench butt cheeks, cause Vtec is about to kick in)

just accept the 86 for what it is

This thread goes: V8 owner says it's rubbish cause it's slow, Ricer goes it's fast cause I found xyz on the internet, people laugh at how ridiculous the claim is, Ricer gets upset and says V8 owner is jealous and doesn't get it. Repeat

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Not that we should be comparing a ute but where did you get 39k they are nearly 10 grand dearer, wait, dont answer..

The SS ute has been advertised on tv as $39,990, drive away for the past 2 weeks in NSW. $4K more for double the power and more than double the torque - both are rwd, both are manual, both are 2 door. Choice is pretty easy. The ute's always been described as Australia's coupe anyways...

Choice would've been alot harder had the 86 come out with the WRX motor for around $40K though....

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by turbodewd

.So clearly its only good for the track...

Not quite. In several mag tests (incl. Wheels and Motor plus EVO) the 86 has been beaten by the GTI, Megane, Scirocco and WRX around a track....

[Shonky.]

agree, it's not comparable, but regarding price a V8 ute can usually be had for 35-38 depending on the time of year (which is why they're so popular)

http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/det...__N=4294965857 4294964873 1216 4294739946 1246&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~0.5&sort=~Pric e