Church Of Climatology

[snappy]

I got this reponse to a email i sent.

Dear Mr Thompson

I wish to acknowledge your email of today regarding the ETS.


I will not be supporting the Emissions Trading Scheme.


Thank you for bringing your views to my attention on this matter. Rest assured I will raise your concerns

in Party Room discussions.


Kind regards

Julian

Julian McGauran

Senator for Victoria

I realise he most likely didn't write it himself , But i appreciate the response

Also can anyne tell me what happend did the ets get voted in at 3.45 i have not heard anything .

[Hillbilly F Truck]

Has anyone heard any updates or outcomes of the hacking of the climate website. It would be interesting to read some of those alleged e-mails. My searches on the subject so far, only reveal that people on public forums believe the alleged hacking is for real.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=659271

Time will tell.

[Romulus]

It's been carried over on Monday. However, before Senate resumes the CPRS debate the Liberal party will convene a meeting to address the leadership issue. Chances are, Malcolm will get the chop, Joe or Tony will take over the opposition leadership, and most Liberal Senators will call for more time to look at the Bill.

What is annoying is the inflamatory language used by pro-ETS supporters; you're either for climate change, or your a climate change deniar/sceptic. What if you do believe CO2 level's should be reduced as much as we economically can, but don't support the proposed ETS/CPRS?

The language used by proponents of ETS reminds me of Dubya Bush ' "You're either with us or against us." If that's the case I'm against you.

[Airmon]

Originally Posted by rodderz

What a pain that thing is to read (the treaty) every sentence (has a sentence in brackets( and another for good measure))

Makes you wonder if they have (the UN) have deliberately (written the paper) all like that to make people just sign instead of fighting their way through it all (another bracket)

As its a Draft, each party can edit in what they think should be in there. The parts in brackets are most likely these Post-writing additions that will be ironed out at Copenhagen in the coming weeks.
It is odd as the brackets will often repeat the same lines as previous, just with the words in a different order.
But yes, it makes it very, very difficult for joe blow to summarise.

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by TVS Super Pursuit

The language used by proponents of ETS reminds me of Dubya Bush ' "You're either with us or against us."

And we all know where that got us.

[MO]

@rodderz,all those brackets and sub sentences are indeed put there to put off proper reading of the document its been a legalistic ploy for yonks.
Greenx spoke about 3rd world becoming 1st world etc,one question that is niggling me...what about all these little civil wars and pirates and things like this,how are they going to sort that out in these countries and get them to pay their share for this scheme??
Also what about Nth Korea how are they going to fit into this. they are after all one of the most closed countries not to mention belligerent.
I think there are still too many unknowns out there(oh god I just thought of known unknowns,etc) there is a great deal we haven't been told.

[Green X]

"As a country we have to do something to reduce out emisisons, with Australia being the 12th worst in terms of Emissions per capita (based on 2 year old Data), and only just being higher then the US"

I suspect thou a country as sizable and wide spread as Aus will have X amount of Co2 output to support it's residents/ infrastructure, Re a small country with the same if not more people will have less Co2 output due to population and infrastructure being more centralized, Australia also runs on high emissions industry like Mining Oil& Gas, refining not to mention coal power generation.

[XRQTR]

If we're only just behind the US on a per capita basis then we would be somewhere near the bottom on a total output scale.

Again fear mongering and using statistics to benefit alarmist agendas.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

If we're only just behind the US on a per capita basis then we would be somewhere near the bottom on a total output scale.

Again fear mongering and using statistics to benefit alarmist agendas.

True, one per cent of total pollution, we could go back to the stoneage here and it would not make any difference to the way things are headed.

[Bent8]

You know what really makes me wonder how dumb they think we are?...

They say, "we have to kerb CO2 emissions" but forget to tell us that every single human being on the planet exhales 2kg of CO2 every day!

So, in essence, this carbon tax is really a tax on your existence! (read it out loud so it sinks in).

They want you to pay so you can breath!

Walt, good job with your info on this thread mate.

We MUST realise that our Government's DO NOT work for us, they work for the their criminal masters such as Mr Gore (who by the way, will personally make a huge fortune from his latest carbon scam).

Mr Gore has worked a very very long time on this and he won't quit so easily...though people are slowly waking up and all I can really say is, it's never too late to become informed and take action.

The hackers (who have now found the achilles heel of this climate scam) should be commended for their efforts. Although there have been reports that it may have been an insider who blew the whistle.

Please stop watching the 6pm news, it is scripted for hubots (AKA humans). Why do you think they call it TV programming?....

I honestly cannot remember the last time I watched TV or even listened to the radio.

The internet is my current source for local and world news/events and this is my favourite one...

http://www.infowars.com/

Alex Jones has a 4 hour daily radio show broadcast from Texas (available as a free podcast) and he has released many doco's (non-copyright) which are freely available on the web.

His latest one is called Obama: Fall of the Republic which also looks into the climate scam...highly recommended viewing!

Have a nice day!

[snappy]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly F Truck

Has anyone heard any updates or outcomes of the hacking of the climate website. It would be interesting to read some of those alleged e-mails. My searches on the subject so far, only reveal that people on public forums believe the alleged hacking is for real.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=659271

Time will tell.

andrew bolt has some emails on his blog

[xy500]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

He's 100% on the ball, there was a doco on the other night about a Nordic island that has forgotten all about the global problem and started to work on the local issue.

Think global work local, if you're too worried about what's going on everywhere else wehn will ever get to worry about what's going on in your own back yard.

Oh and this island is now being used as a model by some institutes to show what can be done, they forgot that they are the same ones asking for everyone to sign treaties for a global solution, contradict much??

hes about as far off the ball as you can be... stop sea levels rising & global warming by local action?
for a start show me some global warming, and then even if there was global warming show me a sea level rise, AND THEN even if these things were happening how would australias contribution to the ESTIMATED co2 output of the world have any significant impact? it wont even if we cut our emissions to zero, the only impact is an imagined impact.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by xy500

hes about as far off the ball as you can be... stop sea levels rising & global warming by local action?
for a start show me some global warming, and then even if there was global warming show me a sea level rise, AND THEN even if these things were happening how would australias contribution to the ESTIMATED co2 output of the world have any significant impact? it wont even if we cut our emissions to zero, the only impact is an imagined impact.

Let me shed some light on this for you !!! CUDMIRRAH BEACH ! i have been going there since 1970 , i walk out onto the rocks that show themselves at low tide, they are exactly the same as they were 40 years ago . if the sea level had risen at all i would not be able to walk to the edge in the same spot every year. DO YOU think a 1/2 flush toilet or solar panels on my roof , or a new tree in the yard is going to change that ?
i know that changing technology and fuel is only going to hit the hip pocket, however this isnt such a terrible thing , it will diversify technology.
australia just happens to supply all the raw materials of old technology , that does pollute the AIR - that goes into our lungs ( to the rest of the exmpt world corperations) its very mixed up if you look right into it .
think - straight crack dealer . i wont go further i can feel heads spinning already.
i wont post links here as i have been ridiculed to the max in the past here .
get onto youtube and type in "zeitgeist addendum" or another " new world order freemasons agenda pt 1" it has 7 parts . if you dont want to watch all of it , just watch part 1,2 and 6,7. pretty out there but hey . so is signing the treaty.

[olfella]

Sea levels rising? how? Ever put an ice cube in a glass of water and watch it melt? Does the level in the glass rise? No

As for disappearing islands, the geologist say it is because the inhabitants are using all the ground water and the island is sinking because of the depleted water table - not global warming.

[yetchh]

this link has some good info on the CC myth

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/moregw.htm

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by MRFGXR6

Well what can I say but this has been a long time in the making. Way back when we have had the Ozone layer scare many parties convinced the government, the media plus various other entities that CO2 emissions were being...

Edit to save space

.....all these lies it only is intended to benefit those with invested interests.

Do you mean CO2 or CFC's?

You don't believe there is a hole in the ozone layer caused by CFC's?

Interesting...

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

Let me shed some light on this for you !!! CUDMIRRAH BEACH ! i have been going there since 1970 , i walk out onto the rocks that show themselves at low tide, they are exactly the same as they were 40 years ago . if the sea level had risen at all i would not be able to walk to the edge in the same spot every year. DO YOU think a 1/2 flush toilet or solar panels on my roof , or a new tree in the yard is going to change that ?
i know that changing technology and fuel is only going to hit the hip pocket, however this isnt such a terrible thing , it will diversify technology.
australia just happens to supply all the raw materials of old technology , that does pollute the AIR - that goes into our lungs ( to the rest of the exmpt world corperations) its very mixed up if you look right into it .
think - straight crack dealer . i wont go further i can feel heads spinning already.
i wont post links here as i have been ridiculed to the max in the past here .
get onto youtube and type in "zeitgeist addendum" or another " new world order freemasons agenda pt 1" it has 7 parts . if you dont want to watch all of it , just watch part 1,2 and 6,7. pretty out there but hey . so is signing the treaty.

just watched a little of the "new world order freemasons agenda" link i was talking about .
it is very very far fetched and not really related to this topic . , however, "zeitgeist addendum" is a very intereting movie about NWO.
BASICALLY how the truth often get twisted into raising revenue . it's a viscous cycle .

[bingoTE50]

I have been involved in the refrigeration industry since 1982,so I am a bit programmed about ozone layer problems and global warming potential of products.
My son 17 has had moles cut out of him already,and we have been careful about the sun.My father in law recently died from melanoma.My wife has had a cancer cut from her scalp.Now maybe we are more vigilant and identify these things better,and people who have passed on previously maybe were not correctly diagnosed . At the end of the day I am not as dismissive as some of you of climate change.The crap we put in the air,soil,water has to have some effect,surely.We had a example in QLD this week how finely balanced ecology is ,when low oxengated water pumped into a local tidal lake and killed all the fish,everything ,no discrimination.
The very least we can do as caretakers of this planet is at least address the pollution issues of this world and make sure we have a viable place for our next generations.
I can not dismiss the real possibility that there is climate change....there is way to many boardroom politics affecting these issues.Why after a world wide recession/depression ,all of a sudden experts are dismissing the climate change issues.The penny has dropped,it cost plenty to be green.
I am no way a greeny ,I drive a GT after all.

[RSgerry]

Unfortunately the ETS is like anything else a politician turns their attention to - a vote attracting, tax grab dressed up as important legislation. FFS, if I hear "for our children for our children's children" one more time I will scream. Turnbull used it, that beaky Gillard used it and I would bet the legoman used it too. This will save the planet no more than a speed camera on teh edge of a three lane highway will save lives...popular legislation designed to appease the uneducated masses whilst ripping their cash from them. Remember the $1000 gifts the legoman was dishing out? Time to pay it back...

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by xy500

hes about as far off the ball as you can be... stop sea levels rising & global warming by local action?
for a start show me some global warming, and then even if there was global warming show me a sea level rise, AND THEN even if these things were happening how would australias contribution to the ESTIMATED co2 output of the world have any significant impact? it wont even if we cut our emissions to zero, the only impact is an imagined impact.

Yes "Local Action" you the whole act locally think globally deal.

If any government was serious about doing something they would start at home and thereby lead by example.

This is why I am a sceptic, if it's the real deal then why aren't they actually doing something real to curb the "effects of climate change"??

It seems as though you have totally misunderstood my post and taken me for an alarmist, if you'd bothered to read more of my posts in this thread as well as the Copenhagen thread then you might not have posted in the manner that you did.

I do believe as many here also do that we are having some kind of impact on the planet, I don't deny that and I doubt you will find anyone here that does either, well not many anyway.

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Do you mean CO2 or CFC's?

You don't believe there is a hole in the ozone layer caused by CFC's?

Interesting...

The "Hole" has always been there, fact, no one has come out lately to say whether or not it's growing/grown since the alarm bells started ringing. I remember when it was on the news almost every night and they had special reports every few months on just how much it had grown.

You know that was almost 20 years ago, and I'll bet my bum it hasn't moved much since then, if it has then at the rate at which they were "estimating" back then it should be big enough to cover Australia by now. Guess we're all Sunday roast this week then ai.


edit: oh ye and CO2 was always mentioned in alot of those early reports, just by the by how old are you, I'm just wondering if you were eben around then.

[SSD-85]

I read a report that the ozone layer has almost completely restored itself as far as the hole over antarctica is concerned. cant quote unfortunately as this was last year sometime.

[MO]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

I read a report that the ozone layer has almost completely restored itself as far as the hole over antarctica is concerned. cant quote unfortunately as this was last year sometime.

Heard the same in the last 10days.

[rodderz]

There's no doubt we can help the quality of life on the planet by reducing pollution and emissions and cutting our power intake, it gives us better air quality and a healthier environment. But I think most people realise and history shows our climate which is millions of years old also runs in cycles. We've had droughts before, floods, ice ages and maybe years without much rain at all.

It's the way that this ETS and climate change thing is thrust upon us as a scare tactic to enforce far greater things that I think is the bigger issue, and what this will lead to down the track to the way life is lived. It's obvious it is being used for an agenda

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by rodderz

There's no doubt we can help the quality of life on the planet by reducing pollution and emissions and cutting our power intake, it gives us better air quality and a healthier environment. But I think most people realise and history shows our climate which is millions of years old also runs in cycles. We've had droughts before, floods, ice ages and maybe years without much rain at all.

It's the way that this ETS and climate change thing is thrust upon us as a scare tactic to enforce far greater things that I think is the bigger issue, and what this will lead to down the track to the way life is lived. It's obvious it is being used for an agenda

Absolutely correct. Anyone heard of the Carbon cycle? what is occuring right now is simply as natural process. We are currently in an interglacial period of an Ice age. This planet has been far warmer in its history. with living, breathing flora and fauna. To try and blame us for causing this constant normal process is insulting. Not only to us, but the planet's geological ability to process its own raw materials. Where does all our fossil fuels come from I wonder? Not from outer space, so we are not disrupting the process by adding extra material...It all gets recycled. And will continue to do so until geological activity ceases on earth.

[Franco Cozzo]

Pretty sure the hole in the ozone layer is from CFCs, not C02.

[MRFGXR6]

Work Horse, sadly to say that there has always been a hole in the ozone and still is. It is just that the corporate bodies and radicals blew the whole event out of proportion. The hole was never an issue of global warming and never will be money was made so its no longer an issue, It was just another excuse for more money to be made as with this current situation we are in now. This now, as with the past, is an excuse for the simple fact of scientific funding and a lot of money. Just think; every single pressure propellant can, every fridge etc all needing replacing. Globally it’s a vast monetary gain for the producers of the new gas, a so called friendly gas. And once all this money was made suddenly soon after it was found by the so called scientists that the hole as I mentioned earlier was actually smaller it’s been in 50 years. A very lucrative lie wouldn’t you agree, and I put forward as a case to the current cloud we are facing now.

And yet another example to take in: all conventional light bulbs were considered to be inefficient “bad for the environment”. How many people used these light bulbs globally? The numbers would be astounding. How many have had to replace them, well all of us as the older globes are being phased out and I might say the new ones are expensive, considerably more than the previous. Once again who benefits out of this? The multinational corporations with once again an exceptional monetary gain. And these bulbs after the tremendous push to replace older globes are found when broken contain mercury and yet still can cause skin cancer hence this quote” Fluorescent lighting may save money in your electric bill, but it takes a bigger toll on your health.

There are several reasons why Fluorescent lighting is actually dangerous for your well-being. A long term health consequence from being exposed to Fluorescent lighting is from short wave ultraviolet light that it emits. UV emissions from ceiling fixtures have been linked to a higher risks of melanoma skin cancer by the American Journal of Epidemiology. Also, In August 1982 an article was published in the well read British Medical Journal, "The Lancet," entitled "Malignant Melanoma and Exposure to Fluorescent Lighting at Work." The authors of this study examined and determined the possible connection between indoor fluorescent lights and the ever rising rate of melanoma. Taking into account such factors as hair color, skin type and the history of sun exposure it was found that working under fluorescent lights had doubled the risk of melanoma in the subjects of the research. I always thought it was the sun that caused cancer? The sun actually helps to prevent skin cancer because it provides the body with natural Vitamin D. Without enough sunlight your body becomes deficient in this vitamin and is actually placed at a higher risk for skin cancer. A lack of sunlight coupled with daily exposure to fluorescent lighting is a double whammy towards your odds of developing this serious condition. I always thought it was strange that after living under the sun for thousands of years, we suddenly develop a skin cancer epidemic after so many people were taken from the outdoors and put in offices where they work under artificial lights. It is only when we try to mess with nature that we start to develop these health epidemics.” So did we really need these globes and are they beneficial to the environment? ill leave that for you to decide.

Yes we as a people do produce harmful emissions and we will always produce products that will harm and cause cancer.. And I am by no means standing by this act of rape and pillage on our environment via or reliance on fossil fuel resources. If the world powers were serious about green energy then why are we not already running around in hydrogen powered cars. That technology was found some time ago and is able to power a motor bike to a truck with only water vapour as a exhaust, but as always parties with invested interest had squashed the ideals of this energy source. In fact the inventors of hydrogen energy seemed to die. This happen to a man by the name of Stanley Meyer, he made a hydrogen fuel system for a VW buggy and soon after wound up deceased. Is this the governments answer to green energy? The only time they conceive a answer to this very vast issue is unfortunately when money making is involved. Oil companies do not want free energy, they stand to lose yet again the thing they hold dearest not a better environment but MONEY and lots of it.

We can also involve the electric cars into this equation though the technology is still a little behind for these to be totally feasible hence the hybrids. So what is the world’s leaders answer to all our pollution issues, place a tax on the companies and individuals and penalize all of us, and for the record we will be hit twice as the consumer; once for the personal tax and the other as the hand be down from the companies. This is the unfortunate side effect of our race like it or not and a subject heading of the point of this thread.

We as the people need to make the decisions for our future not some socialists from the fallen soviet day that have infiltrated the green movement to destabilize the world order and definitely not by some of the boys club politicians that we currently have. For we all know the general consensus is that the majority of politicians lie. Look at Kevin 07 he had not mentioned this Copenhagen treaty to us the people it was kept secret, as had been achieved by all politicians involved with this issue in other nations. It wasn’t until this document was found after allot of searching (which I might add was conveniently hidden under an alias name) that the truth came out. And as this document states a one world government entity is to be made controlling monetary, production and the sorts. It will dictate where the money comes from where it will go and will it go to the said destination ( this I highly doubt as inevitably money will have be siphoned or lost on the way). This document will be the end to all our freedom and democracy, everything our forefathers have fought for. This climate change treaty will cause more harm than good, by it you can still pollute as long as you can pay to do so, how will this help the environment. Scientists are backed with new and rock solid evidence that this climate change fiasco is a farce, solar flares are a vast contributing factor to the so called “global warming” but once again another topic.

This Copenhagen treaty was conceived in secrecy by the world governments without our knowledge until it was leaked, and I may ask If the socialist politicians are conspiring these dirty deeds then what else are they scheming without our knowledge? Are we the people so blatantly stupid as to believe them, seems to be so! We must do something but not like this.
RSgerry your absolutely right with your comment “Remember the $1000 gifts the legoman was dishing out? Time to pay it back...” we and our children will be paying back it back for a very long time. When one watches a program on Kevs plasma bonus scheme just remember, that little beauty cost our generations billions.

[ST]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

He's 100% on the ball, there was a doco on the other night about a Nordic island that has forgotten all about the global problem and started to work on the local issue.

Think global work local, if you're too worried about what's going on everywhere else wehn will ever get to worry about what's going on in your own back yard.

Oh and this island is now being used as a model by some institutes to show what can be done, they forgot that they are the same ones asking for everyone to sign treaties for a global solution, contradict much??

You do realise he said temperatures would stabilise and sea levels would drop globally? Even locally is absurd to think. I like how everybody talks about humans destroying the planet with carbon emissions when it is a well researched FACT that natural sources produce 10 times the amount of carbon dioxide than we do.

I seriously hate politicians for jumping on this greeny bandwagon worldwide, i'm not against being environmentally friendly but I am against these completely false and ill researched claims; ESPECIALLY when they will have a substantial effect on our daily lives and brainwash the average joe to agree with them.

[ltd]

Recently got back from the USA where some are talking about climate change, but most people are talking about "climategate" and the CRU scandal. Then I come back to this. Mass resignations and Malcontent Turdballs in bed with Kevvie. Wow. Just wow. Makes ones head really really spin. Come to think of it I think I must be suffering a global warming so I'd better lie down for a while.

[ltd]

BTW, you guys who are interested should really read the article in Rolling Stone about Goldman Sachs (of which Turnbull was a very senior guy at). Makes for interesting reading of one of the driving forces behind global warming/climate change/Rudd tilt for UN/One world Government/New world order/Socialism.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._machine/print