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12-03-2014, 04:13 PM | #61 | ||
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Vietnam has now suspended search operations
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On ABC TV an aviation expert noted that this plane was in a ground level accident (where I do not remember) - but it clipped / was clipped by another plane causing severe damage to rear rudder. As a watcher of air crash investigations I (armchair non-expert) note than when a portion of a plane is damaged that a much greater area needs to be replaced. My guess – say 10m2 damaged – at least 80m2 is to be ‘actioned’.
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12-03-2014, 04:17 PM | #63 | ||
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On ABC TV an aviation expert noted that this plane was in a ground level accident (where I do not remember) - but it clipped / was clipped by another plane causing severe damage to rear rudder. As a watcher of air crash investigations I (armchair non-expert) note than when a portion of a plane is damaged that a much greater area needs to be replaced. My guess – say 10m2 damaged – at least 80m2 is to be ‘actioned’.
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12-03-2014, 04:18 PM | #64 | ||
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Very very weird situation.
For me 3 possibiliites 1- hijacking 2 - total electrical power failure. Being a boeing it can still be flown, but no transponders, comms etc. He diverted to find somewhere he knew to land (noting it was the middle of the night) and lost control 3. Pilots blacked out due to lack of oxygen Last edited by DJR David; 12-03-2014 at 04:24 PM. |
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12-03-2014, 04:32 PM | #65 | ||
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The more I think about it what Road Warrior said, may have happened.
The FAA issued an AD I believe 6 days ago, referring to detailed and HFEC inspection for cracking of the fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM antenna adapter (8 page document). http://www.ofr.gov/(S(mmxywch0olhoji...4-04547_PI.pdf The AD refers to Boeing Alert Service Bulletin 777-53A0068, dated June 12, 2013, with inspection methods and compliance specified in that SB. There is no effective date of the AD as yet. I can see groundings of some of the B777 fleet happening.... |
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12-03-2014, 05:02 PM | #66 | ||
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Air France wreckage from their mid air explosion took a week for anythign substantial to identify the aircraft floated to the surface. It was seen exploding mid air and position recorded by two ships at sea and at least one other aircraft.
On take off with full fuel capacity, she would have had in excess of 150,000lt of fuel on board. Given the wings contain the fuel tanks and the previous damage to the wing,it is possible the wing tore open and fuel erupted and engulfed the plane. The radar return showing the plane potentially turning aorund, could have been the debris trail. This aircraft disappeared at around 11Km's in the air. Any wreckage would be traveling at speed into the ocean. Wreckage could be embedded in the ocean floor. |
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The aircraft became lost during the first part of the flight, probably when the maximum cabin pressure differential was applied to the fuselage, which is normally when decompression failures occur. |
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12-03-2014, 05:25 PM | #69 | |||
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I think people need to pay a little more heed to Karlene Pettit.
I have heard from a reliable source that Malaysian Airlines received ACARS data after reporting lost communication, and they have issued a statement saying that they are not prepared to release it.
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Also, a fuel leak from the wing tip - the damaged section would not automatically ignite as there is no ignition source there.
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12-03-2014, 05:37 PM | #71 | ||
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Plus, it was the wing tip that was damaged, not the rudder.
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12-03-2014, 05:41 PM | #72 | ||
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12-03-2014, 05:42 PM | #73 | ||
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This is worth checking out - a satellite imaging firm has launched on online crowd-sourced effort in which users can look through high-res images, and tag anything anything of interest they see.
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014
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12-03-2014, 05:47 PM | #74 | ||
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Interesting, Petronas Towers first thing that comes to my mind. As a long shot Guam or Singapore Marina Bay.
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12-03-2014, 06:40 PM | #75 | ||
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I've heard there is spot exactly on the op side of the earth of the Bermuda triangle that has the same kind of error stuff happens.
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12-03-2014, 07:09 PM | #76 | ||
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I'm curious as to whether the reports of 20 of the passengers being involved in electronic warfare technology has any truth.
I wonder which country in the area would love to gain a technological upper hand over the west these days.... |
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12-03-2014, 07:42 PM | #77 | ||
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Another sighting. Kiwi working on an oil rig near Vietnam.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26527390 |
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12-03-2014, 08:07 PM | #78 | ||
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The company is called Freescale and is based in texas.
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12-03-2014, 08:07 PM | #79 | ||
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I read that too and was after another update on that. 20 of those Electronic genius's on one plane...Does add more weight to a possible hijack.
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12-03-2014, 08:34 PM | #80 | ||
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My first thought was North Korea too...
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12-03-2014, 08:41 PM | #81 | ||
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So many questions here, I wonder if this aircraft landed on the ocean softly like FLT 1549 landed on the hudson, then sunk in 1 piece leaving no debris.If passengers are alive then some should be out there on life rafts, but searches found nothing.Tragic.
I dont trust the malaysian govt, their reporting seems all over the shop, and are doing nothing to portray an image of control.
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12-03-2014, 08:42 PM | #82 | ||
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I hadn't herd of cloaking before so I googled it and came across this.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/5554...racy-theories/ It appears to be the No 1 conspiracy theory. Now to find No 2 |
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12-03-2014, 09:01 PM | #84 | ||
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What about this.
Imagine if post 9/11 an unwritten agreement is made with various national defence forces to bring down civilian aircraft suspected of being hijacked. Is it possible that the initial reports from the Malaysian air force were accurate in that they tracked the rogue plane, however they then shot it down over open water to prevent another 9/11 type attack. This could be why the reports by the air force have been denied in order to distance themselves from the end result. This would be plausible to avoid another 9/11. Thoughts. |
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12-03-2014, 09:51 PM | #85 | |||
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Only way I can work out that crew did not activate emergency IFF (7500/7600/7700) and/or transmit on 121.5 and/or 243.0 with a Pan or Mayday is if it went up instantaneously in a big way. To lose both IFF and radio sounds almost beyond belief unless there was an unprecedented massive electrical failure across all systems. There would have been Navy ships somewhere in the vicinity from various countries you would expect, with radars likely turning and burning. Even when I was a shiborne aircraft controller 20 years ago we could pick up civilian aircraft on actual radar paint 500km away when they were at cruise altitude, let alone IFF paints.
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Large wreckage found....
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13-03-2014, 09:25 AM | #88 | ||
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Well its kind of the 'area' where the guy on the oil rig claims to have seen a plane briefly on fire and gradually descending. But as for the earlier reports, hmmmmmmm.
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13-03-2014, 12:04 PM | #90 | ||
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how on earth were phones ringing out under the friggin sea then???
i wouldnt believe a word they say tbh yeah fuselage cracked...lol
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