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So, where's the line with this then? When you cater for society as a whole it's going to be difficult to get that line in the exact right spot for every element of that society. Some will see it too far, and some will see it as not going far enough. Bloody difficult position to be in when you're the one making that decision; you're on a hiding to nothing no matter which way you go. Maybe the pendulum has swung too far, and over time, it will come back into more of a 'neutral' position. Maybe it's still on it's path. Only time will tell.
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Maybe the majority should be taking precedence over the few. The powers to be had no problem doing this with Covid.
Hey Fox I'm just a simple trades person, I just see things black and white, and want the very best for the young ones. This society to me is one big mess . Cheers mate Last edited by five 7; 28-04-2023 at 04:41 PM. |
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I personally think the fact we have a left and right faction is a large part of the problem. There are pro's and con's on both sides but one thing is certain, it leads to division among the 'majority'. And division is an aspect which weakens society to ensure those who have power can control people easier.
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But where is the moral line in the sand, Its not left or right in my view. I will play devils advocate now, I think pedophiles are getting very maligned, and there way of life is misunderstood, they just want to go about there way, doing what they do, it's not mental illness it's just the way they are. Poor things. Minor attracted people is a much better term.
let's call it what it is a mental illness, I don't think that should take presidence and have influence over normal beings. I'm at the point where feelings get hurt so be it. |
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Yep, throw out millennia of biological fact just to appease the court of public opinion.
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Lets call it what it really is - Grooming leading to Pedophilia = not okay. The bombardment of adults preferring to parade in skimpy (Adults only) outfits in front of minors rather than adults is abhorrent. That tells me it isn't much of a mental illness but deviant, narcissistic behavior. When they are after children this is where things get more ugly.
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So in one instance we need to step in for the defenceless victims but why not other instances where you could argue adults are a threat to children regarding moral standards etc. Who decides its ok to tell a child they can pick and choose their identity or gender etc. If you speak out against society you are branded as intolerant, which is rather ironic in itself.
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It sounds like double standards to me. On both sides of the spectrum there seems to be a grappling of who holds moral superiority on critical decisions like this. The human race has lost its way.
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The world has gone ****en crazy that's for sure. Even to the point that science is an opinion WTF?
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Too many options. It gets confusing. I will put it as simply as i can. Everyone has been to a wedding before where the meal options are beef, chicken or vegetarian. Pretty simple, nobody ponders the menu for long. In the same token most people have been to restaurants with a 27 page menu and take ages to order as there are so many options and a lot are so similar.
Yes i am a parent. Thing is, in my opinion, let kids be kids. Dont confuse them when theyre kids. If they arent old enough to understand stuff like sexual identity or whatever, just let them be kids. Other then sexual health, when i was at school they didnt teach the confusing stuff they do now. Did that mean there were no people who identify differently? No, but those people worked it out for themselves, not told per say. I accept all people regardless, people are people. But confusing kids with things they do not yet understand just , yeah, that. |
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I hope you don't mind, FGS, but I'm going to respond to the points you've raised in a different order than you've presented, only because I think it flows better for my answers and so I can build on them. Quote:
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What I meant by "brave" was that I thought some in here might be out of their comfort zone by watching that. A bit like someone who is afraid of heights going skydiving to challenge their fears and grow as a person. I personally see someone who does take themselves out of their comfort zone as being brave. I hope that explains my word choice a bit better, even if you don't agree with my line of thinking? It's a bit like my discussion with b0son. I could have ignored everything he said and just kept my line of thinking. But I like to educate myself and consider other people's views as it may just influence my own views. It's a growth opportunity. And I did learn a few things from it. No, it's not. And I've never treated it that way at all, even if it has come across that way. I hope some of the explanation above helps you, and others, see that. I see my withdrawal from the discussion with b0son as reflecting that. If I thought it was a competition, I would have kept the discussion going until I had considered I'd 'won'. I think it's healthy to have different points of view. That's not to say we have to agree with those points of view, but it is worth considering the way other people see things because we rarely think in exactly the same way. Imagine how boring the world would be if we did ![]()
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The parents losing the ability mention and more so expecting school to teach the kids the amount of social issues of today….. I cant recall seeing that memo. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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https://youtu.be/LhlXDI1JSKk
Not a big fan of Piers Morgan but a few times now he has done these interviews highlighting the hypocrisy and absurdity of some of these modern movements. Of course some will say its just being closed minded. Interesting to hear the notion that when young impressionable minds are fed this kind of stuff regarding identity, it's child abuse. That, I fully agree with.
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But even if some of the facts of the case have shifted, the core of it remains the same. A boy dressed in a skirt entered a transgender toilet (not something one would question, or allowed to be questioning at all really, not in the same way as a man entering a female toilet), raped a girl and when her father questioned the school board and got angry, they physically and forcibly restrained and removed the father who was arrested and charged with domestic terrorism. But further reading has shown an interesting turn of developments. The then superintendent of the school board has been charged with something and during the Grand Jury, which handed down an indictment, it was revealed that not only had he known about the rape, but he personally informed the other members of the school board and demanded they keep it under wraps and lie it ever happened or exited. He and the entire school board lied to everyone, including to the fathers face in public, about the rape in order to progress their own personal agenda... Which subsequently caused another student to be sexually assaulted by the same boy when he was allowed to move school. Quote:
But I have to say I completely disagreed with it and thought it was a ridiculous argument, even before it went sideways. Science has discovered and taught us, and I'll restrict this to humans, there are only 2 sexes based on what each one can do. One created the egg, the other fertilises it. We call these sexes a female and male. But science has only explained and defined what nature has created and intended us to be at this point in our physical and natural evolution. What I learnt, you learnt and has been taught for thousands of years is a concept based on fact. And the fact is we have A and B and each is defined by physical and capability traits. It's not brainwashing to put into words and and explain what nature has given us. But it is brainwashing to teach kids and people that A can become B or vice versa if one closes their eyes tight and chants "I think I can, I think I can". It's brainwashing to throw millions of years of fact, evolution, nature, instinct and science out the window because someone says they feel funny and others are determined to pander to them. Lia Thomas will never be a female as much as he tries to be and nothing should convince anyone that he is. The world and womens sport are a poorer place once he became allowed to compete as a female. And it specially doesn't help his case since he still cracks a hardon when looking at women in the change room. Or maybe that makes him a transgender female lesbian... Go figure. Quote:
Parents don't have time anymore, they are working 4 jobs between them afterall, and no expect teachers to fill that knowledge gap for them. |
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I think in the coming months, we're going to start to see a backlash against every man and his dog getting an autism diagnosis.
I saw a quote that said 1 in 10 boys aged between 5 and 7 is now on the NDIS That is primarily due to the explosion in ASD diagnoses. In essence, autism is the easiest way onto NDIS now, and parents are chasing the free money. There is simply no way that amount of kids need to be on disability support. If the rate of growth of NDIS participants continues as it has recently, it will eclipse the medicare budget within a few years. More will be spent on disability than is currently being spent on ALL healthcare........ |
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I guess what is happening is, with all the other absurdity, it is diluting the rights of those who actually have genuine health issues.
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Given the direction of the thread I thought I might throw this link in, something I saw a few weeks back and have just found again.
Personally I find the whole thing amusing. https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/st...235028995?s=20 Skip to 2:35 for the amusing bit. I find it amusing. Further from my post above about the brainwashing, this is what I call brainwashing. A medical professional who advocates that A can become B, yet cant/wont/doesn't know how to treat a condition that might arise when a transgender female claims to be experience a female only emergency. It goes further down hill shortly after when this ****wad ******* ***** makes a completely despicable remark about females not being females in an attempt to win the argument. It's crap like that that puts people against them. Just remember that this land of the free and home of the brave allows and operates private clinics for transgender female only patients. "Doctors" are making squillions on giving pap smears to men in a dress. Quote:
I don't understand why the need for this came about, but I do think autism is misrepresented and over diagnosed. Once when people were described as quirky or with a personality they are now autistic. It's been suggested to me that I am on the autism spectrum. I can by shy in new social settings and sometimes find it difficult find my way and break in and I have certain OCD traits like overthinking and such. Apparently this qualifies me for an positive autism diagnosis. But to me all this stuff does it take away the money and help from the people who truly need it. The very definition of making a rod for our backs. |
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With regards to the NDIS, I know of people personally who are in desperate need of funding with REAL case situations. People who have serious physical and mental abnormalities and cannot operate basic chores in their personal lives, yet they are ignored and brushed off no matter how many times the parents get doctors referrals and legitimate documentation from specialists to prove so. They actually are screaming for help.
On the other hand, I know first hand of a group of people who are involved in clique networking groups who have 'clients' who are on the scheme but are using it for dubious means. These individuals are working the system to get paid a lot of money from the tax payer to accommodate clients requests that could be considered as irrelevant or non admissible. One true first hand example: NDIS paid person is getting paid $50 per hour plus call out fee to go pick up Mcdonald's for NDIS client because it wouldn't cost the client personally to use as opposed to getting it delivered via Uber. The Paid worker then puts in said claim to NDIS manager who is a 'friend' and they turn a blind eye to the legitimacy of the request and pay it. https://fb.watch/kce7QQij7J/
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And that is actually ruining the lives of people not in the NDIS system, because the price of the vast majority of services that are now covered under NDIS is soaring. People not on NDIS can no longer afford or access the services they need. The point of NDIS was supposed to provide support for those who physically cannot function. Instead, we are at the stage where it's offering gym memberships, sex therapists, alternative therapies, unproven therapies, and therapies for people who don't suffer an issue in that actual area, etc. Quote:
There are today over 600k NDIS participants, and that figure is growing currently at 17% per year. At that rate of growth, 1 in 10 people will be on NDIS by 2030! Can anyone honestly say 1 in 10 people they know should be on some form of disability support? |
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How do you implement a system and prevent it from being abused?
Human nature has many flaws.
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All good mate, I misread your comment. Rob explained it to me.
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Run it like medicare for one thing. Every type of service covered under NDIS should have a cost cap/rebate like each type of healthcare service. If providers want to charge more than the medicare rate, the market will soon sort out what they're willing to pay what for.
Limits need to be placed on who gets what. If a treatment is unlikely to help someone overcome a deficit that prevents them from working, it shouldnt be covered. That might sound harsh, but one of the major justifications for NDIS was that it would improve the productivity of its participants. If the goal has shifted to simply make them happier, then it's a no from me. Nobody wants to do anything about the stresses in my life that will probably send me to an early grave (most people running a business can probably understand where I'm coming from on that point). Why should I be funding how much they get to enjoy theirs. |
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I'm more than happy to chip in a small amount each year to a national disability fund.
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In addition to the carers pension and their own pension, they have an NDIS supplied dog to help mitigate the condition, even though she gave away her dog early in because her "condition" apparently meant she couldn't care for it properly anymore. To help care for the dog she has a support worker for 3 to 4 days a week. This carer supports the dog and helps care for our friend. Recently they all went on interstate holidays. The husband pays for himself. The NDIS pays for our friend and her carer to travel and their accommodation. The carer has a separate room and is paid normal and penalty rates for every hour they are away from home. Yep, 24 hours a day they are paid for, even when they sleep. The NDIS pays for any outings for both our friend and the carer too. They have collectively been on 2 weeks holidays, all paid for by the NDIS. They can't go anymore until September because the travel allowance is almost exhausted. How this person gets NDIS support is beyond me, specially given the lacklustre condition and the fact they already have capable and paid inhome help from partners and family. Want to see Australia for free, become an NDIS worker! "lol |
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