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I think this, and the the fact they looked so much smaller than the HZ was why quite a few buyers went to the Falcon. I can remember at the time all the advertising going on about the interior space being superior in the XD and not loosing space from the the previous XC.
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just for some numbers seeing posts about X model and popularity.
I got one of my office members to do some quick rego numbers that also incls NZ. These are the VIO's on some random model mixs mentioned that are confirmed registered : HQ's all 7,014 VE/VF incl HSV's 426,261. XF/XG/XH utes 10,717 AU all incl TSeries 53,514 BSeries up to FGX incl FPV's 348,308. Enjoy.
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For the VN the platform was stretched and widened, bigger engines put in to suit our market and compete with the Falcon as a 'full sized' car. VE Onwards is an all Australian design. The benefit of the Commodore using drivelines and electronics from GM is that all the diagnostics are well developed on the automotive aftermarket because of the US, the Commodore got OBDII and the GM implementation of it, you can read a surprising amount of data and get codes directly from the ECU/BCM and ABS module on my VSII Caprice with a modern scan tool, it will give you live data no dramas. ![]() Thats a live data readout from my Caprice when it had its factory ECU - thats amazing for a car from the mid 1990s with microwave spec electronics. The Falcon is an electronic orphan, unique to Australia/NZ, so the aftermarket diagnostics are well and truly lacking in comparison to what you can do to Commodores with a scan tool in the workshop, all the way right back to a VS. The AU Falcon adopted the OBDII plug but had its own unique protocol. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 22-04-2024 at 10:53 PM. |
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In late 2023, when I used travel regional NSW for work, there were plenty of AU and BA/BF Falcons around west of the Great Diving Range, not so much in the coastal areas, and I thought I now know where all the older Falcons went.
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Holden spent more on beefing up the Opel Rekord chassis than what it would have been to start from scratch apparently.
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It's common to break the IRS cradle causing wheel alignment problems from VS all the way through to VZ. Surprised mine hasn't yet given I basically blew one rear tyre off it at every given opportunity ![]() |
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To say the VE was totally 100% Australian designed and built is true in the fact it was assembled here, but there is a fair amount of it that is made in other countries not specificly for the VE but other GM cars around the world, a lot of the parts have the manufacturing country stamped on them and have other part numbers for other vehicles not sold here. I have wrecked more VB-VF's than I have had hot dinners, I have seen where the parts are made and I was surprised how much of it actually came from Europe, I know they are based off the Australian Zeta platform which ilends itself to the 2010–2015 Chevrolet Camaro so it uses parts from Mexico. But the Pre VE were all based off the European platforms, then they thought it would be a good idea to go back to the Euro stuff with the ZB, what a mistake that was. The VE and VF was the best decision Holden had made since the end of the H series, but unfortunately it was too late, the ZB was the hammer pounding the last nail in the coffin. Last edited by prktkljokr; 23-04-2024 at 12:48 PM. |
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The ZB was a half assed damage control attempt from Holden, thinking we're stupid enough to think that just because something wears the same name that Australia will buy ZB 'Commodore' hand over fist.
Even though it's a mid sized wrong wheel driver, or maybe it was a deliberate sabotage to help GM justify its pull out of ALL RHD markets globally. Who remembers the damage control ads from Holden about we're not leaving ![]() Mind you this clown didn't exactly help Biggest leaner on tax payer payroll Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 23-04-2024 at 01:30 PM. |
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The IRS was a debacle from VN onwards.
HSV’s had a lot of neg camber owners didn’t know their rear tyres were worn to the steel belts by 10thou clicks. It’s was crap period. That Buick v6 was a POS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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The sad part about the ZB, was that it wasn't such bad a car. Sure it wasn't a real RWD Aussie Commodore, but as a FWD Euro car it was better than many of its peers. Dr Terry |
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Mang mang mang mang That thing was the P plater weapon of the 2000s through to circa 2015. Cheap to maintain, buy parts from IGA, hell drive in drive out less than a thousand bucks for a new AC compressor, receiver dryer, TX Valve and a regas to blow 2 degrees C out the vents so you can grow stalactites from your *** in summer. IRS setup a bit halal but hey it beat Ford to it by circa decade, just like how they beat Ford to the punch with climate control. |
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As soon as they released that the new Commodore was front wheel drive they lost 90% of private sales, FWD is not what Australian full size car drivers are after, I think they were relying on the fact that it was so popular in Europe it wouls be a hit here, how wrong they were, they just forced people to other large rear wheel drive manufacturers.
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![]() The HFV6 was used in a few cars around the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_High_Feature_engine |
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![]() Imagine me as Holden sales and marketing, I'd be solely responsible for genocide of cashed up bogans by having engineering making absolute widowmakers. Forget Bathurst, my customers are the traffic light grand prix champions, Ford and their GT limiting sales to only enthusiasts, my W427 the only way you get invited to buy it is being on your states hoon register - minimum 12 months loss of licence offence to apply ![]() As much as I hate Thailand Specials, me and the epidemic of flog Ford Ranger drivers are two sides of the same coin, they just don't acknowledge it. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 23-04-2024 at 03:18 PM. |
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EA actually got it first because Fairmont Ghia had it from the outset, the Holden didn't have it until the VQ Statesman in 1989. Calais didn't get it until later.(series 2 in 1990)
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With hindsight if Holden built another sedan post VF seemed like it would not make sense. The market shifted to SUV and 4x4 Utes, they did import them.
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Two simple reasons.
1. Ford owners are happy to strip and part out to make a quick buck. 2. Holden owners just keep their cars going.
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were so chronic in 2010 that it was withdrawn and never spoken about for years. It then re-emerged in the late 20 teens as the 3.6 TTV6 with tons of power, 313 kw and 586 nm in the CT6. The point was that our performance market was V8 centric and the LS engine had performance in spades. |
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END WOKENESS
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Meh.
As long there is still a falcon in my sheds that's all that matters to me ![]() |
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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I've noticed Falcons and Holdens are less frequently seen on roads these days.
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Driving to and from the snow over the weekend, I passed 1 Falcon the whole drive. I remember when they'd be plenty of Falcons in the country.
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How many Subies, with their full time AWD, up there? Seems like their natural habitat. Lots of snow coming.
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Heaps. Didn't see any Falcon's or commodores in the snow itself and the only Falcon I saw was on the way to Cooma. Saw a few Commodores though (VE/VF) but the only Falcon was a B series.
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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Easy answer. From the mid-1990s Commodores outsold Falcons 2 to 1.
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Thought EF took the title off Commodore but then came AU and EL didn't stand a chance against VT
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