Russia v Ukraine

[Cav]

I only read headlines.

That's why I am an expert in everything.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by hackney

Do you not understand,that he wants to go back to the ‘old style Soviet system’?He wants complete & utter control over all of Ukraine & its people.If he gets his way,it will be like an old style Soviet dictatorship/leadership.

Prove it ? A link to anything from the ABC doesn't work for me...

Originally Posted by sixman

This left - right crap is being planted/harnessed by Russian/Chinese hackers and infiltrators. .

Prove it (Hillary)?

[Cav]

I thought this comment in the Australian was spot on.

Has wokeness/climate catastrophe run its course?

[hackney]

They are now targeting the Russian central bank,with the use of Swift,& ‘selected’ banks,this does not go far enough.At least Italy & Hungary are on board now(they weren’t a few days ago.) They have to break the back of the Russian economy.Germany is now @ last sending arms & munitions to Ukraine,they have been reluctant to do this because of WW11.Source:BBC world news.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by sixman

Some of you guys watch way too much fox/cnn. Laatvia and Estonia are allready part of Nato (since 2004) and just as close to Moscow as Ukraine. No missile bases in either and likely never will be, but are protected by Nato defence treaty and hence under no threat from Putin. Its not fear of Nato thats driving the invasion, rather empire rebuilding.

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Since you quoted me I will happily reply.

Maybe it's a little confusing for you, this modern warfare. thingey.

We don't need missile silos anymore, we use mobile launchers and nuclear bombs delivered by drones from air bases...or aircraft carriers.

The closer the air base to the targets the better.

Who has the most air bases in the world mostly in foreign countries?
(It ain't Russia)

I can't see mention of Latvia or Estonia as having nuclear missile bases by anyone in the thread, but thanks for overstaing the obvious.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Cav

I only read headlines.

That's why I am an expert in everything.

not me im an expert cause i google search
and ive come up with it for sure
i googled Vladimir
then shortened it to Vlad
and got Vlad the Impaler so im on the right track
so he's Dracula ! or (close enough) a witch !
and what did monty pytho tell us bout witches
its all firm resurrect honest

[hackney]

If Putin is ‘successful’ in obtaining Ukraine,who is next?Poland,Czech republic? It seems he wants an old style Soviet Union back.I should imagine his beliefs are very strong on that front.The guy has really lost the plot.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by hackney

They are now targeting the Russian central bank,with the use of Swift,& ‘selected’ banks,this does not go far enough.At least Italy & Hungary are on board now(they weren’t a few days ago.) They have to break the back of the Russian economy.Germany is now @ last sending arms & munitions to Ukraine,they have been reluctant to do this because of WW11.Source:BBC world news.

I have read that it is only the Swift payment system...(that many have abandoned use of anyway.)

Germany sees an opportuinity to sell some stuff...that's it...they have to consider that the gas supply might be turned off if they are naughty.

Of course Italy and Hungary are on board, they are a part of NATO.

Is China onboard yet? Nope.

That border with China will insulate the Rusian economy from sanctions.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by hackney

If Putin is ‘successful’ in obtaining Ukraine,who is next?Poland,Czech republic? It seems he wants an old style Soviet Union back.I should imagine his beliefs are very strong on that front.The guy has really lost the plot.

I imagine things too, I imagine that he will make his point and not occupy indefinitely....unless someone wants to escalate it further.

I have never met him, but his youtube videos indicate that he acts in both the national interest and his own.

That is consistent behaviour of most world leaders.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by hackney

If Putin is ‘successful’ in obtaining Ukraine,who is next?Poland,Czech republic? It seems he wants an old style Soviet Union back.I should imagine his beliefs are very strong on that front.The guy has really lost the plot.

yes It does seems he wants an old style Soviet Union back.
as to why you could only imagine whether its his beliefs of something else at play
it may even be so he can plant his mobile missiles further abroad so he can strike fear further in to nato

[hackney]

Originally Posted by wodahs

yes It does seems he wants an old style Soviet Union back.
as to why you could only imagine whether its his beliefs of something else at play

That is what is being said,his beliefs are very strong on that,especially on the old style Soviet Union,very concerning.The ordinary Russian on the street are bot happy with what is happening.It is widely known he is not in ‘favour’ of NATO.

[sixman]

The brilliant part of the Russian strategy is that through fake news etc. they have convinced the gullible parts of the West that they/Russia are morally correct. Then they have sown the seeds of division, and in the digital age the west is engaged in endless pointless debate/argument with itself left vs right, woke vs patriot etc.
I mean just look at what people post here.
Meanwhile Putin goes about as he likes and we call each other names and bemoan our own demise lol

[sixman]

Originally Posted by zilo

Since you quoted me I will happily reply.

Maybe it's a little confusing for you, this modern warfare. thingey.

We don't need missile silos anymore, we use mobile launchers and nuclear bombs delivered by drones from air bases...or aircraft carriers.

The closer the air base to the targets the better.

Who has the most air bases in the world mostly in foreign countries?
(It ain't Russia)

I can't see mention of Latvia or Estonia as having nuclear missile bases by anyone in the thread, but thanks for overstaing the obvious.

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?
If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.
Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

If you believe Putin was right to invade Ukraine then I will agree to disagree.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by sixman

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?
If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.
Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

If you believe Putin was right to invade Ukraine then I will agree to disagree.

He does not make any sense,period.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by sixman

The brilliant part of the Russian strategy is that through fake news etc. they have convinced the gullible parts of the West that they/Russia are morally correct. Then they have sown the seeds of division, and in the digital age the west is engaged in endless pointless debate/argument with itself left vs right, woke vs patriot etc.
I mean just look at what people post here.
Meanwhile Putin goes about as he likes and we call each other names and bemoan our own demise lol

I dunno where you got all that from?

Did it just show up on your smart phone this morning?

From what i can see it is the media that is pushing an anti Russian addenda, far from what you are asserting.

Show me a news source that says he is a good guy?

[hackney]

Do we have a ‘troll’ around here?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by sixman

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?

I doubt that very much.

Originally Posted by sixman

If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.

Well..that's your opinion, albeit an uninformed one.

The Russians indicated that they would negotiate on the basis that Ukraine would never join NATO. Ukraine refused to have any discussions that precluded them from doing that.

That is a contradiction and is the basis for the Russian invasion.

Originally Posted by sixman

Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

US/NATO air force bases that have runways that a nuclear armed drone can take off from are all over NATO countries.
As I said missile silos are 1950's tech which alert targets in plenty of time for a response....a cruise missile launched from a border is much better.

NATO exists to challenge Russia funded by the Americans.

[T3rminator]

Funny how people are so quick to dismiss other opinions, even though there is insufficient evidence to prove otherwise.

Here is an interesting interview with an ex UN weapons inspector, an American but has family ties in Georgia, so you could say he has connections to the region. Georgia was at war with Russia not that long ago, and supposedly over a similar issue.

His summation is very similar to that in the video that George V posted earlier (how many actually watched it?). When different sources start to collaborate, its time to take notice. IMHO.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Funny how people are so quick to dismiss other opinions, even though there is insufficient evidence to prove otherwise.

Here is an interesting interview with an ex UN weapons inspector, an American but has family ties in Georgia, so you could say he has connections to the region. Georgia was at war with Russia not that long ago, and supposedly over a similar issue.

His summation is very similar to that in the video that George V posted earlier (how many actually watched it?). When different sources start to collaborate, its time to take notice. IMHO.

Thank you.

A United Nations weapons inspector, must be fake news

The old saying "The first casualty of war is the truth" certainly applies.

[xkxlxm]

I just watched the first 25 mts of Ritter; will watch the rest later.

Vladimir doesn't understand that only the West is allowed to invade other countries. I've heard our foreign minister mention that wonderful thing, the 'international rules-based order'.

Yeah, but we, the West, make up those rules. Like when we invaded Iraq almost 19 years ago now, 'justified' by a pack of lies and so-called 'intelligence' about non-existent WMD. (I think Ritter was calling out those lies way back then.)

We need to be careful (I include myself in that), like Ritter says, about propaganda being used to sway our opinions in this war, such as the 13 who died (allegedly) defending that small island.

[Cav]

It seemz ze Chermen military haz gone woke too

[CoupeKing]

Apparently France just surrendered.

[nstg8a]

From what I understood it’s not necessarily nukes that worried Moscow, it’s the nato version of iron dome, the article I was reading said that Russians were opposed to extension of the missile defence system because they could easily be reloaded with offensive missiles instead of purely defensive.
Flight time from the Ukraine would be 5-7 minutes or some thing.

I find it hard to pick a side, there’s so much disinformation out there from both sides, and really it’s the incompetence of the west in the last 30 odd years that has let it get to this state.

[nstg8a]

So which is the disinformation?

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Apparently France just surrendered.

[xkxlxm]

I watched the rest of the Scott Ritter interview; he's not just a former weapons inspector, but also a former US marine.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

From what I understood it’s not necessarily nukes that worried Moscow, it’s the nato version of iron dome, the article I was reading said that Russians were opposed to extension of the missile defence system because they could easily be reloaded with offensive missiles instead of purely defensive.
Flight time from the Ukraine would be 5-7 minutes or some thing.

I find it hard to pick a side, there’s so much disinformation out there from both sides, and really it’s the incompetence of the west in the last 30 odd years that has let it get to this state.

There’s a fence out there somewhere to sit on!

[danzvtil]

As an Australian of Ukrainian heritage, I can’t believe this is happening again. My mum was born in an Australian army camp while they waited to be settled here.My now long departed nanna escaped Ukraine in the 40’s, and even until her death couldn’t share about what she had seen at the hands of the German troops. She told us only 2 things about her life, her brother died of starvation at age 14, but there was no funeral. Her brothers and sisters wheeled his body into the forest in a wheelbarrow and buried him themselves. And she recalls that when the German troops were approaching, parents with teenage daughters would smear them in dung so the troops would not take them away. That is all she could tell us.
And over 70 years later it’s all about to happen again, what a bunch of disgusting savages the human race is.

[zilo]

Just watching ABC news...2 minutes 25 seconds on the war in Ukraine.

3 minutes on womens football and netball.
1 minutes on mens A league.

yep...am all caught up on world affairs now.

[PG2]

Guys and Gals

Gaso and I have started deleting posts.


If this thread keeps heading in the same direction, guess what happens next?