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Now i can only use a coalmine analogy,it is a fact that the safest mines are those with a strong union workforce so is it a coincidence that qantas are having all these reliability problems since they have sent their maintenance overseas to a cheaper non union workforce.I hate to say it but how long before one of their flights does'nt make it back after it has turned around to return to an airport.Seriously this is a union breaking move by qantas.All power to the TWU.
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Hmmm......how does Qantas and Jetstar get their fuel to the airport? Would that be TWU tanker drivers.
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The union has nothing to do with Qantas shutting down ,it's the managements decision to do so not the baggage handlers.
Let's get that straight for a start. They want you to think it's because of the union action and only idiots will believe it to be so through their blind hatred of the unions Yes a handlers are at fault here,not Joyce and Co,pigs rzz.
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Power is $$$$ If Qantas reduce their workforce here the TWU will lose numbers. If you lose membership you lose fees, fees are income which means your income is reduced and if your income is reduced you have less money to spend on yourselves... Effectively the TWU are trying to protect their income stream. |
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Just checked my flights, all good its virgin on Wednesday..phew...but jetstar in two weeks time.
QANTAS I am in two minds about, the only time I have flown with them is when a business pays, even internationally there is usually someone better and generally most people I know are the same. So with that in mind there are going to be alot of annoyed business people monday if its not sorted. Id be very annoyed if it stuff my flights up, cant believe its actually come to this. In conjunction with that speeding fine thread its seems our systems for negotiation are just crazy.
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the ceo's, the union's and the union members are all the same. they only care about themselves and how many dollars they can make for as little effort as possible |
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It's not just the TWU here, you also have the Australian and International Pilots Association and the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers' Association.
Also don't be surprised if more support comes from other unions whose members use Qantas, meaning the companies they work for contract Qantas to move their workers nationally and internationally....
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The lockout is designed to back the government into a corner and force them to intervene to settle the dispute.
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The union has not been entirely useful but they did not cause all the trouble Reinstating job security is a long step to resolution and until that happens this will do nothing but garner a huge fail |
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Besides the fact that it’s usually pumped directly to most major airports, the tanker drivers wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. Ever heard of an EBA?
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Fairwork Australia hearing tonight at 10pm (instigated by Fed. Government)
All industrial action will be forced to cease, I would say all operations back to normal by Monday. As a former Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, who has seen my old man cop Voluntary Redundancy from Qantaslink in recent months (the Sunsate Airlines here in QLD engineers disputed their EBA for three years before the airline sacked 70% of them) I am so glad I left the industry when I finished my apprenticeship - and this when Qantas were making a billion dollars profit a year. Say what you want about Unions and Governments and Airlines and offshoring, however to this day I have a problem with the fact I now earn $14 an hour MORE than the base rate of your typical LAME who has the right to certify a single aircraft type is safe to fly. When I sign off rectification work pertaining to my industry, I don't have the lives of the crew or the pax travelling on that aircraft in mind.
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I think QANTAS has shot themselves in the foot here. People won't remember the union strikes over the years but they will remember QANTAS basically ripping up their tickets at home and around the world. Not the best strategy.....
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I know they do lots of good for workers too, but ill believe they're totally for the worker when they no longer charge union fees... |
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His decision was unanimously supported by the board (representing shareholders). Good on him. Close it down, wrap it up and reopen overseas where people are more appreciative of the oportunity of employment. A job is not a birth rite.
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it has cost Qantas more to fight the unions, than what it would have cost to agree to the 3-5% wage claim and job security clauses that the unions wanted for the next three years.
It's costing Qantas $15 mill a week at the moment with the industrial actions, but to ground the fleet will cost $20 mill a day. The 'grounding of aircraft due to backlog of maintenance' is rubbish, they are mostly old 767's due for heavy maintenance and would have been replaced by the 787 long ago if that program was on schedule. It's all a PR spin. Yellow Festiva, Qantas share price was around $5 when the takeover talk was happening. Now trading at $1.54, and I bet that'll dive again come monday.
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