The VACC wants the Victorian government to implement an annual rwc requirement for vehicles aged 8 years+

[Tassie f100]

Really the VACC isn’t overly interested in road safety.rather they are trying to drum up business for their members.As a big body they will know who ears to blow into.Bit like Stat writeoffs in the repair industry.The manufacturers got into the right ears to virtually make any damaged vehicle a stat write off because repairable write offs were eating into their new car sales

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

why would you expect to see that, if you are the family of the deceased you will probably witness all the gory details at the Coroners Inquest

I was an 'expert witness' in a court case for a triple fatality many years ago, I was the 'offending truck driver' in a re-enactment of the accident and there ain't much joy in there I can tell you

what are you talking about? I said nothing of Gory details.

People are claiming the stats for fatal car accidents are not put down to car defects.

I would like to see where they are getting this data.. or is this just assumptions

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

what are you talking about? I said nothing of Gory details.

People are claiming the stats for fatal car accidents are not put down to car defects.

I would like to see where they are getting this data.. or is this just assumptions

ring the Police I am sure they will help you - https://www.police.vic.gov.au/road-safety-0

or read this - https://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safe...tics/summaries

or this - https://www.qbe.com/au/news/the-most...-car-accidents

or this - https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/car-...tatistics.html

or this - https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...ash-statistics

[Tassie f100]

Well I just had a quick skim over the links thatTrevor posted,and Unless I missed something there didn’t appear to be a single mention about unroadworthy vehicles contributing to the road toll or crash rate.

[Syndrome]

Bugger. My Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres which were fitted to the car when built and have covered 60,000km now look like hand cut racings slicks. The dealer told me they need to be changed at 30,000km and I said no thanks because the tyres were still legal. They said the same at 45,000km and were right but I said I'd get back to them. Getting new boots next week. Greta Thunberg would be pleased I am producing less rubbish.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Well I just had a quick skim over the links thatTrevor posted,and Unless I missed something there didn’t appear to be a single mention about unroadworthy vehicles contributing to the road toll or crash rate.

Funny that

Do you think I need to provide some more links just in case we need more confirmation

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Well I just had a quick skim over the links thatTrevor posted,and Unless I missed something there didn’t appear to be a single mention about unroadworthy vehicles contributing to the road toll or crash rate.

Yes it just confirms its not something they list in any public reports.

[Vesper Martini]

I did read a paper from Monash University on the effects of roadworthiness on Vehicle Crashes, and even that doesn't give any definitive answers

My point its its not that easy to find whereas Im quite certain people have posted above based on assumptions and not reading any reports.



Quote from the report I found:
Contribution of defects to crashes
Studies of crashed vehicles have shown that defects contribute directly or substantially from
around 3% to 19%, with the more robust studies indicating at least 6%. Common defects
identified relate to brakes and tyres. Many safety-related defects are found in crashed vehicles
that did not contribute to the crash. There is some evidence that defects may contribute more
to motorcycle crashes than to car crashes.

[Trevor 57]

So you quote data relating to 'crashes' whereas I have been talking about fatality or near fatality

It just doesn't rate a mention as the numbers are minuscule and as such are irrelevant and not worth reporting

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I think VICPOLs resources are stretched as is

They were so busy today that they were in my housing estate looking at people's cars parked on the road outside their houses, saw them taking number plates off someone's run down Mazda

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They were so busy today that they were in my housing estate looking at people's cars parked on the road outside their houses, saw them taking number plates off someone's run down Mazda

Did you get your plates confiscated?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Did you get your plates confiscated?

My ****box fleet are conveniently parked on our property - but I'm going to find out when I get home in about two hours I guess

[fgpsi]

There are calls to introduce mandatory yearly safety checks on cars more than eight years old in Victoria.

The Victorian Automotive Chamber of Commerce (VACC) CEO, Geoff Gwylim, says the proposed policy, which is similar to the system already in operation in NSW, comes in response to alarming reports from mechanics.

“We’ve got 5000 members across Victoria and Tasmania that fix cars and we get reports almost daily of cars that are … up on hoists that are unroadworthy. As times get tighter people will say to a mechanic ‘Look I understand what you’re saying to me but just do the bare minimum’,” he told Neil Mitchell.

“I can buy a car today and drive it for 50 years on the roads in Victoria without a safety check or roadworthy.”

The Department of Transport claims there’s no evidence unroadworthy cars are more accident prone, but Mr Gwylim says that’s because data isn’t collected after most crashes.

audio:
https://omny.fm/shows/mornings-with-...oadworthy-chec

https://www.3aw.com.au/push-to-intro...s-in-victoria/

[janddbone]

Absolutely disagree, particularly if the line is to reduce deaths. The once a year or so I actually do get pulled over for whatever random reason, I have never seen police check even the basics. Start there, they have the ability ot deal with the worst. Secondly the eight years old part is nonsense too, plenty of things could be an issue.

[Franco Cozzo]

Those 5000 members would probably be better off handing in their membership to the VACC and keep the money they charge for membership

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Absolutely disagree, particularly if the line is to reduce deaths. The once a year or so I actually do get pulled over for whatever random reason, I have never seen police check even the basics. Start there, they have the ability ot deal with the worst. Secondly the eight years old part is nonsense too, plenty of things could be an issue.

did you actually back read before you posted?

[GXA]

The VACC would want that, wouldn't they??

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Those 5000 members would probably be better off handing in their membership to the VACC and keep the money they charge for membership

Are you a member of VACC? you do know that logo on your business sign attracts customers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Are you a member of VACC? you do know that logo on your business sign attracts customers.

They came knocking at my workshop in 2015 with their cap in their hand wanting me to sign up for membership, in which I politely implied that they're a group of treacherous scum

Seriously they'd be better off approaching parts wholesalers to get further discounts for their 5000 members, with that sort of buying power they'd hold weight but they're too short sighted to see it.

If they approached me in my former life I'd have cut some pretty nice deals on a braking program for their 5000 members that would allow them to buy at more than competitive rates allowing them to make more money on every job that came into their workshop.

Or come up with plans and implement something to attempt to address the skills shortage the automotive industry has been dealing with for the past 15 years, a drop out rate of apprentices above 50% and that's AFTER you actually find someone to take on as an apprentice.

But no, they go around trying to justify themselves by pointless attempts at lobbying government unsuccessfully to force things on the public which aren't even proven to work, out of their nice Southbank office paid for by its members in their do-nothing organisation.

EDIT: Looks like they've moved and are now slumming it out of North Melbourne instead of in a nice building off St Kilda Rd Southbank opposite Kings Domain

Check out the photos on Google of 'VACC house' they're renders but it conveys a message:

https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/...m3!8m2!3m1!1e1

This is what their memberships pay for - hyper fancy offices chock full of people in corporate attire which don't know what a car is except for its got four wheels and it moves backwards and forwards. They're flies and maggots hovering around a nice and warm fresh turd looking for a feed.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They came knocking at my workshop in 2015 with their cap in their hand wanting me to sign up for membership, in which I politely implied that they're a group of treacherous scum

Seriously they'd be better off approaching parts wholesalers to get further discounts for their 5000 members, with that sort of buying power they'd hold weight but they're too short sighted to see it.

If they approached me in my former life I'd have cut some pretty nice deals on a braking program for their 5000 members that would allow them to buy at more than competitive rates allowing them to make more money on every job that came into their workshop.

Or come up with plans and implement something to attempt to address the skills shortage the automotive industry has been dealing with for the past 15 years, a drop out rate of apprentices above 50% and that's AFTER you actually find someone to take on as an apprentice.

But no, they go around trying to justify themselves by pointless attempts at lobbying government unsuccessfully to force things on the public which aren't even proven to work, out of their nice Southbank office paid for by its members in their do-nothing organisation.

EDIT: Looks like they've moved and are now slumming it out of North Melbourne instead of in a nice building off St Kilda Rd Southbank opposite Kings Domain

Check out the photos on Google of 'VACC house' they're renders but it conveys a message:

https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/...m3!8m2!3m1!1e1

This is what their memberships pay for - hyper fancy offices chock full of people in corporate attire which don't know what a car is except for its got four wheels and it moves backwards and forwards. They're flies and maggots hovering around a nice and warm fresh turd looking for a feed.

My former mechanic who is now retired was a member and did not think much of them but did admit it helped drum up business from customers looking for a decent mechanic.
So many dodgy mechanical businesses out there.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Itsme

My former mechanic who is now retired was a member and did not think much of them but did admit it helped drum up business from customers looking for a decent mechanic.
So many dodgy mechanical businesses out there.

Yeah but they didn’t really do much about checking how good or ( honest)the mechanic was.For the mechanic it was about getting a flag to fly.For VACC it was more about the money than the quality

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Itsme

My former mechanic who is now retired was a member and did not think much of them but did admit it helped drum up business from customers looking for a decent mechanic.
So many dodgy mechanical businesses out there.

Maybe back in the day, but now with social media and Google you can verify this yourself from other customers providing feedback:





Here's from my own business Facebook 5+ years ago:



The guy talking about his coupe - absolute legend he invited us into his home with his family and cooked dinner for us to show appreciation, that sort of stuff makes you feel good and you can still remember it years later

Sure there's probably people paying for bots to do fake reviews but you can also verify by looking at what other reviews they've done, the people above on Facebook you can look at their profiles, see where they live to see if they're legit

If you have a bad experience - smash em with negative feedback on their Google listings and their business Facebook, its your feedback mechanism and if you're looking for a new mechanic the first thing people are going to do is hit up Google or ask friends word of mouth, no one cares about the orange and white VACC sign.

So what exactly does VACC offer to its members? Aside from the orange and white sign which means nothing in this day and age.

[Franco Cozzo]

Looking at one of the submissions the VACC contributed to and submitted this year with the MTAA - they're basically pushing to weaken consumer guarantees and protections in Australia, this is one of the incidents they've included from a car dealership:

February 2022 - MTAA's response to the Department of the Treasury's Consultation Regulation Impact Statement: 'Improving the effectiveness of the consumer guarantee and supplier indemnification provisions under the Australian Consumer Law.'

Looking at some of the extracts from that article they submitted this year with the MTAA,

https://vacc.com.au/About/Submissions

Do you have any information or data to support the view consumers are ‘gaming’ the system to obtain replacement new motor vehicles or refunds?

Dealer comments on ‘gaming’ by consumers:

Fraudulent claims are few in number, but when you get one, they are very time
consuming and costly in terms of a significant waste of management time to defend.
Quite often we offer something to just get them out of our face.

MTAA has evidence of where consumers have used the provisions of the ACL because of
buyer’s remorse.

Example 3

An owner returned a new high value, high-performance sports car several times to the
dealer, each time claiming the car was not performing to manufacturer specifications and
had numerous issues regarding the engine and gearbox.

The gearbox was replaced several times and the entire engine once. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, but technicians concerned with the frequent returns and apparent ongoing problems and lack of explanation, delved further into engine and system diagnostics with the manufacturer.

As part of diagnostic investigations and providing remedies, the dealer inquired on vehicle use, weather conditions, fuel used, driving style etc. Concerning trends were identified, including specific days where the car appeared to endure the sustained high revolutions, fuel use, braking dynamics and other characteristics.

When presented with this information and that the cars recorded activity matched public race days at a local track, the owner admitted to racing the vehicle – a use expressly prohibited and not covered by the manufacturer.

Hold up - the dealership states in their scenario that the customer purchased a high value, high performance sports-car then they turn around and say that they were being gamed by the customer who was 'remorseful' for their purchase because the customer used their high performance sports car as a high performance sports car and it **** the bed multiple times where the workshop decided to play parts-nostics and throw new gearboxes and engines at it in a hail mary attempt to fix the problem - then they look at diagnostic information.

God forbid someone buys a high performance sports car and uses it as a high performance sports car, I don't particularly care if the manufacturer explicity states they won't warrant it being used on the track, is it a 'high performance sports car' or is it some ****ing poser vehicle that ****s the bed the moment you use it for what it was made for?

This is the sort of trash your money goes towards, fancy offices, lobbying government in attempts to weaken Australian consumer law,

Lets go back to 2016 - who remembers the infamous senator Ricky Muir who got elected in the upper house for federal government on 0.51% of the primary vote in 2014?

That man did more for the automotive aftermarket in Australia within his short term of two years (before he got iced by the double dissolution election) than the VACC has done in over 100 years for its members:

Ricky Muir and AAAA draft Automotive Repair Code of Practice

Leader of the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party, Senator Ricky Muir, and the Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) have launched a draft for a mandatory code of conduct that is aimed at giving independent repairers access to technical service and repair data from manufacturers.

Under the current voluntary scheme, many of the major auto brands in Australia have been withholding technical information from independent repairers, forcing customers to have the vehicles serviced and repaired at dealer service centres, which not only could be more expensive and inconvenient, but also could eventually wipe out many of the workshops that provide these services.

Many independent workshops are blocked from access to basic data such as what blend of oil a specific vehicle requires, or how to interpret fault codes.

At a press conference this week - days before the federal election - Senator Muir announced a draft for the proposed mandatory Automotive Repair Code of Practice - which he created in collaboration with the AAAA - based on a similar model adopted by the US automotive industry.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ricky-...e-of-practice/

How come it took some bloke who worked at a sawmill and then lost his job and became unemployed to come up with the best thing that the automotive aftermarket and independent repairers have seen for their businesses in over 100 years?

Ricky Muir and the AAAA's idea only became legislation this year from July 1st 2022 - its now known as the Motor vehicle information scheme (MVIS)

https://www.accc.gov.au/focus-areas/...on-scheme-mvis

Founded in 1918, VACC today provides its members with access to a suite of support measures that assist them in running modern automotive businesses.

The unemployed bloke who worked at the sawmill and got elected on 0.51% of the primary vote in 2014 did more for the automotive aftermarket industry in the two years he was a senator - FOR FREE than the VACC has done for it in over 100 years for its members.

Absolute trash organisation - get in the bin.

[roKWiz]

I can name 3 shonk VACC truck mechanic members just in the North East of the state.
All 3 shonks hold trading licences based on their own fathers previous ownership which they took over and are impressively running into the ground, so I wouldn't listen much to this group of clowns.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I can name 3 shonk VACC truck mechanic members just in the North East of the state.
All 3 shonks hold trading licences based on their own fathers previous ownership which they took over and are impressively running into the ground, so I wouldn't listen much to this group of clowns.

absolutely heaps of shonks not surpising........

NSW had heaps as well - what State doesn't.
Mind you mechnical workshops got cleaned up heaps here many years ago, those that did the rego checks without inpsections but accepted cash hand outs and any other way they did.
The RTA or RMS as known now would send an officer out to roKWiz Mechanical Repairs or be it Truck Repairs visit them randomly and pull out 10 odd of the carbon copy inspection slips.
Get those cars checked out, the amount of shonks doing the dodgy inspections have halved and more, I know from my own mechanic biz mates they wouldn't risk losing their biz license one bit knowing this has gone on.

Your not going to clean shonks up entirely but its put the fear of god in many.

There will always be good and wrong in business.

[jd dad]

Considering there’s been multiple studies saying that the amount of crashes due to RWC issues is negligible this is nothing more than trying to drum up work for their members.
As if the average motorist can take anymore. There’s only so much lube to go around.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jd dad

Considering there’s been multiple studies saying that the amount of crashes due to RWC issues is negligible this is nothing more than trying to drum up work for their members.
As if the average motorist can take anymore. There’s only so much lube to go around.

Can you post a couple of these studies?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Itsme

I bet we all see the same old crap boxes getting around our roads.

Yes, usually on club plates going to work.
I wouldn't mind licence testing every 5 years, a caravan lowing licence and no more Mom and Dad teaching Junior how to drive like them.
Seems like all the car accidents I see are usually s*it drivers in new lounge rooms.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yes, usually on club plates going to work.
I wouldn't mind licence testing every 5 years, a caravan lowing licence and no more Mom and Dad teaching Junior how to drive like them.
Seems like all the car accidents I see are usually s*it drivers in new lounge rooms.

Ah yes the Mitsubishi Express L300 car club! They seem to hold their club events at the local waste transfer station once a month.

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by jd dad

Considering there’s been multiple studies saying that the amount of crashes due to RWC issues is negligible this is nothing more than trying to drum up work for their members.
As if the average motorist can take anymore. There’s only so much lube to go around.

It’s not going to happen. The industry couldn’t cope with the workload.
It’s a publicity stunt by a organization struggling to stay relevant.