Blower or Exhaust? - Page 3

Casper · 03-01-2007, 05:14 PM

ok, no name calling guys.. and no one wears a prettier outfit than Sourbastard!

Sourbastard · 03-01-2007, 05:15 PM

damn right.

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

no, but it is an intake blockage and since they are fans and not compressors the net result is just a pretty spinny thing in your intake.. till it explodes.. then its lots of shiney plasticy things in your manifold.

so what your suggesting is to fit a large tanked compressor in the boot and run a hose to the intake?

Walkinshaw · 03-01-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

ok, no name calling guys.. and no one wears a prettier outfit than Sourbastard!

My bad,

"intellectually challenged person" then

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm starting to think some of you guys don't realize i'm taking the **** with this pc fan shite

Jason50 · 03-01-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

If you can create a method to introduce boost into a system that draws no power from the engine or elsewhere, I assure you, it is.

Sure, but I am not trying to tell anyone this is a practical way of doing things. It just shows that both the turbo and super chargers cost power (even though it happens for different reasons between the two)

Casper · 03-01-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

so what your suggesting is to fit a large tanked compressor in the boot and run a hose to the intake?

That would certainly work in short bursts yes.. of course the weight and massive drain on the alternator may have interesting results but yes, it would actually create a form of forced induction.. and set up with too you could make your car look like the coupe out of Mad Max 2

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End result of all this is that there is just no such thing as "free" power. Everything requires some sort of force to drive it whether it be harnessed exhaust gas, crank power, electricity or even extra fuel.

StAndArdAU · 03-01-2007, 05:21 PM

hahaha, wasn't that the funniest thread ever!! i wish i was aroujhnd here then.

i have a question, is everyone one on here a physicist?? yous guys are way too smart for my liking :P i get scared reading some threads as i think my head is about to explode!!

4.9 EF Futura · 03-01-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason50

If you were able to put say 7PSI of boost into the intake of an engine that did not have a supercharger or a turbo, you would find that it would make more power than an engine supporting a turbo or supercharger.

You're *almost* talking about a NOS system there. Not quite... NOS really works on the property of the gas and the oxygen it releases.... but almost...

Casper · 03-01-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

I'm starting to think some of you guys don't realize i'm taking the **** with this pc fan shite

No, we realize, no one with any clue takes it serious.

But, just for fun, there are some interesting things that people have tried that have worked.

One that was an interesting experiment was someone connecting a vacuum cleaner to their exhaust pipe. For the first 3000 odd rpm (until the volume of exhaust overtook the volume of suction) the performance gain was very noticeable as they had effectively created a massive low pressure system in the exhaust that literally sucked the exhaust gas's out of the engine and aided the charge of new fuel and air. Something to think about I guess

EFFalcon · 03-01-2007, 05:24 PM

just turbo or supercharge the damn thing.

Casper · 03-01-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

You're *almost* talking about a NOS system there. Not quite... NOS really works on the property of the gas and the oxygen it releases.... but almost...

: I was waiting for someone to mention it. Its also not free as it uses extra fuel and the actual N2O gas to create a bigger bang rather than creating an actual increase in intake pressure.. but yes, it is the first thing I thought about too.

StAndArdAU · 03-01-2007, 05:25 PM

i don't think ClassicAU cares anymore

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 05:25 PM

sweet, pc fans and vacuums it is, 10 second passes here I come!

StAndArdAU · 03-01-2007, 05:28 PM

don't forget to fill it with non restrictive ... mash....!!

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 05:30 PM

currently coating all gears pistons, crankshaft and wheel bearings in k y gel

4.9 EF Futura · 03-01-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

i have a question, is everyone one on here a physicist?? yous guys are way too smart for my liking :P i get scared reading some threads as i think my head is about to explode!!

Lol... phyiscs... the scourge of the car enthusiast!

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Originally Posted by Casper

Its also not free as it uses extra fuel

Einstien has a lot to answer for. Wonder what his best ET was??

In light of the 'no free lunch' rule in terms of power, the answer is so straightforward im suprised it hasnt been figured out already. Attack performance from the drag coefficient perspective.

"Last summer i had Art Garfunkel come round with his compressor and we created a total vacuum at heathcoate, sucked the car right down the quarter"

Casper · 03-01-2007, 05:35 PM

The Art Garfunkel depression vacuum theory.. could work!

NeishaXR8_347 · 03-01-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

That would certainly work in short bursts yes.. of course the weight and massive drain on the alternator may have interesting results but yes, it would actually create a form of forced induction.. and set up with too you could make your car look like the coupe out of Mad Max 2

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End result of all this is that there is just no such thing as "free" power. Everything requires some sort of force to drive it whether it be harnessed exhaust gas, crank power, electricity or even extra fuel.

This wouldn't actually work, because of one thing the air compressors around can supply a heap of pressure so in one way it sounds like it will work but one thing they dont have is enough CFM to make any gains. So it will not have enough volume of air to do anything.

The only thing i have tryed a compressor on is at TAFE we did it on a 21cc trimmer and while it picked up the revs a bit it also seized. Was fun though.

Shaun.

Casper · 03-01-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NeishaXR8_347

This wouldn't actually work, because of one thing the air compressors around can supply a heap of pressure so in one way it sounds like it will work but one thing they dont have is enough CFM to make any gains. So it will not have enough volume of air to do anything.

The only thing i have tryed a compressor on is at TAFE we did it on a 21cc trimmer and while it picked up the revs a bit it also seized. Was fun though.

Shaun.

ok, REALLY short bursts

: Effectively it is plausible but the size of the tanks would need to be very large as you stated and the actual time of it being usable would be VERY small.

4.9 EF Futura · 03-01-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NeishaXR8_347

The only thing i have tryed a compressor on is at TAFE we did it on a 21cc trimmer and while it picked up the revs a bit it also seized. Was fun though.

Lol.... 2 stroke engines dont generally like sudden extreme lean conditions hey... Now, where's that Victa....

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 06:08 PM

yet again may I stat the origion of this thread, blower or exhaust. How did this get so side tracked?

Casper · 03-01-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

yet again may I stat the origion of this thread, blower or exhaust. How did this get so side tracked?

someone mentioned something about blowers being more limited than turbos

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StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 06:11 PM

ahh thats right

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 06:12 PM

and so am I

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HLC · 03-01-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

exactlly, so what is the advantage of getting a blower? they cost the same and if intercooled (which you should with either option) theres bugger all of a diff in time/ease of set up.

because it is DIFFERENT.

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 06:42 PM

so si an electric car, dosn't make it right

ClassicAU · 03-01-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

i don't think ClassicAU cares anymore

I do care, or else i wouldn't have started the thread in the first place! Only problem is that the WebMarshal at work blocks the ford forums :( So as i work full time i don't get to check the site tell i get home.

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because it is DIFFERENT.

Great work there Henri, thats EXACTLY why i want to get a supercharger! But going by the overwhelming response, it looks like i have no idea what i am on about. I think i need to get extractors and an exhaust before i do anything else if i want it to work. I have already got a flash tuner, so re-tunes are not a problem. The thing i like about the supercharger, as JC mentioned, is the ease of installation. The linear power delivery is also appealing. So its going to cost me $6k to get though? Thats a fair bit more than i expected, i just assumed all i needed was the unit itself and a few pipes and belts. But like i said, i have no idea!

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 07:26 PM

I didn't realise turbo AU's are a common thing

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 07:33 PM

But as for a blower, they arn't that simple to install. What you'll want is the blower, an intercooler and piping, fuel regulator, belt, mounting brakets, and an engineer