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24-02-2010, 02:20 PM | #61 | ||
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If they did, the reasons to do so would be pure marketing, as much as you and a certain fan of 4 valve heads swear black and blue that it's the way of the future. My hea dis swimming right now, but believe me the cons of such a change far outweigh the negligible pros. Besdies they only just announced anotehr family of engines, the lxwhatever. I ight be wrong about the name though.
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24-02-2010, 02:25 PM | #62 | ||
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Iworded the first bit a bit ********. anyway, im buggered in teh head. Ford won't have the same cons though. What's upcoming from Ford will be EXCITING.[B]
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24-02-2010, 02:39 PM | #63 | ||
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All I can say is thank god for HSV
cause without HSV we would not have FPV And all this POWER Poor old Evan Green Must be turning in his grave..
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24-02-2010, 02:53 PM | #64 | ||
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That's exaclty they way I think of it (though in other areas FPV cross shops with the lieks of BMW also).
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24-02-2010, 03:00 PM | #65 | |||
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The Media killed the image of the current Boss motor? Well if that is truely your belief then I think you need to ask why? Sounds a bit too simplistic and conspiracy theorist for my liking. The Coyote motor will stand or fall on its own merit pure and simple, blaming the media for a poor review is just sour grapes imo. Cheers Mick |
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24-02-2010, 03:03 PM | #66 | |||
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Yes I think we are very lucky to be living in these times. Cheers Mick |
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24-02-2010, 03:33 PM | #67 | ||
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I would personally rather not see a SC coyote. I would much rather see a tough NA one that can equal or better the current boss. If there is a SC version all HSV need to do is put the charger on their V8 that they already have in pommy land and BAM instant FPV beater. I can just hear the HSV boys sniggering in the pub "they had to put a charger on it to beat us..........."
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24-02-2010, 03:38 PM | #68 | ||
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As if any manufacturer would admit they're afraid of another competitors product ever. HSV will continue to build cars with good sales for the immediate future with or without FPV/Coyote/I6T/Pursuit.
I think the only group of people who are scared are the fanboy motoring gossip coloumists who have invested years of emotional lust into the lions den and will now have to take a big bite of the humble pie when FPV deliver a drivetrain that will be universally admired.
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24-02-2010, 03:46 PM | #69 | ||
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Every one talks about the Euro whatever that FPV have to meet but HSV have to meet them as well, it's got to come to a point where running a large push rod motor just wont cut the mustard emissions wise.
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24-02-2010, 03:55 PM | #70 | |||
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24-02-2010, 04:31 PM | #71 | ||||
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Throw a tune, cams, intake and full exhaust on an LS and you have big power. Try doing that with a Boss motor.. My mate has a VY Calais with the above mods, 400rwhp.
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24-02-2010, 05:14 PM | #72 | ||
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Back on topic guys, painful as it might be
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24-02-2010, 05:47 PM | #73 | |||
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24-02-2010, 06:11 PM | #74 | |||
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24-02-2010, 06:12 PM | #75 | ||||
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Glad you liked it. Infact borrowed it from another post ages ago.
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24-02-2010, 07:00 PM | #76 | |||
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24-02-2010, 07:10 PM | #77 | ||
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That Harding is an arrogant little p rick. Comparing a HSV to an Audi or BMW is just laughable. I'm not sure if anyone remembers, when VE was launched Holden admitted that it was designed and based upon a 2000 Model BMW 528i. Only they refined it. How many years this car was being developed (the Beemer) pre launch I dont know. But it would have been a few year old design.
Couldn't set their own benchmark, they used someone elses. This was openly admitted. I was a Holden fan, but I bought a new Ford ute in 2003 because I felt it was better work vehicle and the Holden dealer I spoke to originally p!$&^d me off. I bougth a new VY II Berlina wagon in 2004. Comparing the 2 cars, the Ford was som much better. It drove better, handled better, was more comfortable and had more power. It was also alot smoother. Oh yeah, the ute was $20k cheaper than the wagon. When ever I had an issue with Ford (hardly ever) it was addressed immediately. I even a new clutch under warranty. The Holden however, had no end of issues from ABS that failed (car was only 2 weeks old) to it trying its hardest to vibrate itself to pieces. Holden dealers (4 in total) tried to help agreeing the was a major problem with the car. However, Holdens solution was to loosen the exhaust, start and run the car, then retighten it. When that failed, obviously there was nothing wrong with car. We had an engineer from head office (allegedley) come out and see the car. He said that the new VZ vibrates, its the way we build them : so there is nothing wrong with our car. (despite being a different engine to the VZ). Again, there goes that Holden arrogance. I got it from a dealer, a head engineer, and now this Harding fool. Holden is breeding so much contempt towards the people who buy their cars. I wonder how long it will take for others to start waking up to this company and its complete disregard for the people who buy thier cars. |
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24-02-2010, 08:04 PM | #79 | |||
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BA: double overhead cam, variable cam timing, 182 kw Vy II: pushrod V6, 152 kw. I nearly laughed at him. Anyway, 1 week of annoying calls daily from this idiot about buying the ute, I had enough. I said to him over the phone, you made my mind up for me. I'm going to buy the Ford. He was not happy. |
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24-02-2010, 08:09 PM | #80 | ||
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Oh, almost forgot, this salesman tried telling me on numerous occasions that they don't have to compete with Ford. He even sounded like he believed it. I obviously thought otherwise.
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If you have such, please let me know. A "Joint Venture" is not the same as saying "Holden's". FPV is IIRC 49% Ford Owned, and as such can be called "Ford's". This is why most car mags list HSV seperate, but FPV is listed under Ford. Again, I'll stand corrected - with some proof, HSV is not "Holden's" |
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25-02-2010, 05:52 AM | #83 | |||
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25-02-2010, 08:40 AM | #84 | |||
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Sssssshhhhhh, you're gonna get me in trouble with Bruce, Wan, Chen, Nguyen, Dow and Lee. You should hear them say "yes" together; we have to check we don't have a pneumatic leak somewhere - "Yessssssssssssssss".
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25-02-2010, 11:02 AM | #86 | |||
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25-02-2010, 11:09 AM | #87 | |||
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Shane's just an extremly rich bogan, and hence can drive whatever he likes haha. |
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25-02-2010, 12:36 PM | #88 | ||
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"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term bogan (pronounced /ˈboʊɡən/, rhyming with slogan) is Australian and New Zealand Englishslang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for a person who is, or is supposed to be, of a lower-class background and whose characteristics exemplify, often crudely, this background. The speech and mannerisms of a bogan, according to the stereotype, are such as to indicate poor education, a preference for cheap clothing, and uncultured upbringing. 'Bogans' tend to reside in poor suburbs or rural areas.[1] Similar concepts exist under other names in other countries, such as chav, scally or pikey (England), ned (Scotland), scanger and spide (Ireland), tokkie (Holland), Proll (Germany) and white trash, redneck, hick, or hillbilly (North America). The term has recently been applied to real estate, aka "boganvilla", to describe large houses on small blocks of land in outer suburban areas, similar to the term "McMansion" in the United States." Based on that assumptive definition , I reckon that makes for a hell of a lot of BOGANS everywhere..........LOL.......probably driving KIA's and HYUNDAIS rather than HSV's or FPV's. Sorry I digress. |
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25-02-2010, 12:54 PM | #89 | |||
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Anyhow, HSV and FPV are direct rivals regardless of what people may say or think. You don't see Mercedes Benz claiming that BMW are not a direct rival. Oh sure you may get a few more people cross shop the brands - but not that many. And there are people out there who DO cross-shop a Falcon with a Commodore and / or an FPV with an HSV. Ford need to release some information about Coyote before the hype builds to an unattainable, unacheivable level !!! And it will happen. I remember when I first got into an XR6T. The hype around this thing was unreal. Driving it for the first time I expected the world to warp around me and end up fifty years in the future from the sheer acceleration of the thing...I was disappointed, but only because of the expectations I had. Once I calmed down I realised it was a bloody excellent motor vehicle with fantastic acceleration capabilities. And people you take for a spin in it have similar expectations...
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25-02-2010, 01:04 PM | #90 | |||
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400 RWHP is 298 RWKW. ( 298.4 to be exact ) Throw a set of cams in the BOSS with the above mods and I'm certain you'll get 290 - 310 RWKW.....in an engine with less capacity as well......... |
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