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![]() Regardless of how low volume or how quick you can turn it around, can get it on ebay for less. Well buy it from ebay then? ![]() My favorite one was someone who come to us who bought a couple thousand widgets from China, and they made it wrong, but then wouldn't fix it and they had to order a few thousand of the right ones. They then come to me expecting Australian service at Chinese prices - GAGF. |
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There was a story about P76 taillights, maybe before your time. Thai company, desperate to impress, made a production run to order exactly per the sample provided.
A perfect product was the result, every moulding/tooling mark honoured. Right down to the sun-faded colouring. ![]() ![]() |
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![]() Where Australia can compete is on quality, low volumes and value adding - product support when unforeseen circumstances happen or design help. |
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MG EV Sportscar is coming.
"MG will launch its all-electric sports coupe in late 2021, according to a new report from the December 9, 2020 issue of Autocar magazine. What's more, the report specifically states the model will be offered in right-hand-drive markets including Australia. The MG brand – which was synonymous with small and affordable sports cars throughout much of the 20th century – is yet to build a performance-oriented product under current Chinese SAIC Motor ownership. The upcoming model will reportedly be heavily based on the 2017 E-Motion concept (shown at the bottom of this story), and is expected to feature a dual-motor all-wheel drive powertrain. However, the initial concept's butterfly doors are expected to be dropped for mass production, due to their complexity and cost. MORE: 2021 MG E-Motion: electric coupe rendered from patent filings MG is reportedly targeting a zero to 100km/h time of below four seconds and a range of 482km. If accurate, this would place the British-badged coupe in competition with the performance figures claimed by the Porsche Taycan 4S and Tesla Model 3 Performance. No pricing details for Australia have not been reported, however it's likely the model will tend closer to its indirect rivals – with the Model 3 priced from $103,994 plus on-road costs – than MG's sole electric vehicle as of writing, the $43,900 drive-away ZS EV. "The Autocar report also suggests the brand is currently developing an entry-level, compact electric hatchback to sit alongside (and eventually succeed) the current, petrol-powered MG 3 city car. Slated for a late 2021 launch, the model will reportedly offer a range of around 240 kilometres, with prices in the UK to start around the £20,000 (AU$35,600) mark." https://www.caradvice.com.au/910758/...tralia-report/
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When you think about it, the MGs we have are either overly expensive or the closest sized models by the Koreans and Japanese are grossly under priced.
I threw in Thailand as we often say that what we get from there is grossly overpriced and the figures seem to back that thinking. While the old adage of "the Chinese work for a bowl of rice a day" is far from the truth these days their average income and standard of living is still way, way below their Asian competition. Gross domestic product (at purchasing power parity) per capita. The GDP (PPP) per capita is often considered one of the indicators of a country's standard of living. China: $17,206 Korea: $44,292 Japan: $41,637 Thailand: $18,073 Australia: $50,845 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita Their standard of living costs are less than half that of Japan and Korea yet their cars are only say 15-20% lower. We can assume that the Japanese and Korean plants have a greater deal of automation (costing more up front) and that China will take advantage of their much lower cost of labour to save on the robotics and do more things by hand. If you look at average income per country: China: Doesn't even make the top 35 list so less than $16k Korea: $40,856 Japan: $40,573 Thailand: Doesn't even make the top 35 list so less than $16k Australia: $53,349 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_average_wage Even at bargain basement prices they are probably making a very tidy profit on each car. Throw in lax environmental and waste management rules, a workforce that works without complaint 60 hrs a week, and the huge government support and subsidies their manufacturers get its not at all surprising that they can undercut the competition. They may be 95% as good as the rest, but for a 20% discount people are happy to take the gamble. In 4-5 years when they start selling their next wave of models they will be 98% as good as their competition due to more investment in automation and and still be 15-20% cheaper than the rest. If any manufacturer has a hope of competing with China they need to get manufacturing going in India or Philippines.
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You make a good point, the profit must be huge.
I wonder if the margins are out the factory gate or whether the AU distributor/SAIC australia (if it exists), make the cash because of "special AU" pricing? Quote:
Like they always say something along the lines of historical british marque (chinese owned said quietly). Rather than just saying be open and honest about the whole thing and stating it's a Chinese designed and manufactured car (the badge is irrelevant anyway, just a recycled name they bought to help flog the cars and motoring journalism is running with it for some reason -$$$$$) E: to put it clearer these advertorials have done this since the brand relaunched. Muddy it up to make it sound like Chinese investors bought a British car factory, rather than the reality that a Chinese car factory just bought the rights to a badge. Last edited by oldel; 07-02-2021 at 12:55 PM. |
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Kinda disingenuous, like Masterfoods tomato sauce: 'Made in Australia' ![]() 'From 35% Australian ingredients' ![]() Whats the 35% Australian ingredients? The plastic bottle? |
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[QUOTE=randel;6543889]Probably the water
![]() Aldi and Rosella Tomato Sauce is 100% Australian. It wouldnt suprise me if the Aldi Tomato Sauce was Rosella.
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Larger populations afford larger businesses/profits enabling buyout of Australian companies that are built on smaller population. Naturally, maximum profit over nationalistic loyalty is considered best value. Cant have it both ways with small population. Hell, even Shockworks manufacture out of South Korea. Similarly, All Australians love best value (which differs person to person). Somewhere there is a manager or two who feels vindicated in deciding to exit vehicle manufacturing in Australia, with everything happening in the market now, can't change it. |
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I can't recall seeing an ad where they would market the fact that the vehicle was designed or made overseas. Not for Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia etc.
Except maybe BMW. I do recall "german engineering" was a great marketing point. |
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The chinese manufacturers are doing it simply to deceive potential buyers into believing it comes from somewhere other than china.
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I saw a product last year that said proudly in huge letters "Made in Europe" It peaked my interest since Europe is a huge and diverse place, so I looked into the product. Turns out it was made in one of those small Eastern European countries that are probably less advanced than the developing countries that print their name as inconspicuously as possible on the products they make. |
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Anyhow, if they are trying to deceive then they are doing a terrible job. If I was trying to deceive you I'd be setting up several shell companies all over Europe as a front, then add some obscure shareholding arrangements, to make ownership more of a puzzle on google. They are obviously not going to use "made in china" on the ads, its not exactly a sexy selling factor ![]() |
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Or they are Toyota sheeple who just buy them because Toyota. |
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I don't know what their quality is like, but they make the following Fords Ford Transit Connect (2009-2012) Ford B-Max (2012-2017) Ford EcoSport (2017–present) Ford Puma (2019–present)
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My neighbour has one.
Really nice car and great value. Would I buy one? No. But the lovely lady is near 80 and it's simply perfect for her. Looks great too in dark red. |
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Ok I took their car for a drive today (to get groceries as I had day off and husband in hospital)
It's a fantastic SUV - interior perfectly ok, engine lacks power but fine for near 80yos, tranny not much good. 7 year warranty and at 30odd K or something ridiculous is a great buy. As previous theirs the dark burgundy and looks every bit as good as SUVs twice the price and less warranty. Check out for sure if up for a cheap SUV. |
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The current average wage in places like Shanghai is USD1240 per mpnth. By they way in my time there doing pre-shipment inspections at various facories all over the country the only companies I heard of with 60hour weeks were run by Taiwanese. The factories I visited usually worked 8:30 to 6:00 mon to fri and a half day on Saturday but some did work a full day Saturday. |
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BTW when I said groceries I meant to buy for my neighbor and condition was I drive her new car!
She is nearly 80 so i like to help where I can with how i've been in hospital etc. |
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Pam is a fantastic woman so i help where I can. (i would done the Grocery shop anyway but we laughed on MG so so took it for a spin as Pam insisted) |
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The next Q&A is interesting, one that I didn't know i.e. Michelin being churned out of China...
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