XY GTHO - Bathurst 08 - Page 3

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gz1

2. the sound of a duke.

"Is that you John Wayne?"
"Is this me?"

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

Pretty sure a Charger came 1st

, The 265 Hemi's go just as good seen them hammer the opposition around Phillip island plenty of times,i have even seen one dispose of a 378 stroker Clevo with all the great gear aswell.

Maybe you should of got your Clevo out for a cruze when i was hassling you a while back i bet the Pacer would of whipped your a$$.

even with me behind the wheel.All in all a great vid the Clevo certainly has a great sound.

fair enough, they never seem to do any good in the biante touringcar masters or Group Nc though, they're even in section B of the TCM for the smaller cars.. the Mustangs Camaros and Falcons seem to win everything.

metalmania · 28-05-2008, 04:28 PM

Can anyone tell me from experience what is the top end speed of an original Phase 111 GTHO. Not quoted figures from magazines but actual driving experince.
The debate is raging on the comments section of this article below and there are a few actually bagging the the original HO.

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2008/05/fp..._ford_mus.html

Walt Kowalski · 28-05-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP owner

Finally a recent bathurst race worth watching! So much better than the falcodores with hybrid drivelines doing the freight train. Great mix of cars, sounds, handling etc. Why do we persist with the modern category. Change it back to production car racing and i will be interested again.

i agree with ya there mate 100% but i reckon you are about to start a war -especially with those who think V8 supercars are production based cars!

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by metalmania

Can anyone tell me from experience what is the top end speed of an original Phase 111 GTHO. Not quoted figures from magazines but actual driving experince.
The debate is raging on the comments section of this article below and there are a few actually bagging the the original HO.

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2008/05/fp..._ford_mus.html

With the rev limiter connected and 3.25 rear around 225kph.. with the rev limiter disconnected? (like most did) who knows, Murray Carter was getting about 245 kph down conrod in his H3, the TCM Tilley Falcon is closer to 300 kph.. albiet with allot more HP (and the chase to negotiate).

metalmania · 28-05-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

With the rev limiter connected and 3.25 rear around 225kph.. with the rev limiter disconnected? (like most did) who knows, Murray Carter was getting about 245 kph down conrod in his H3, the TCM Tilley Falcon is closer to 300 kph.. albiet with allot more HP (and the chase to negotiate).

Having said that, would you consider a bathurst HO the same as a road going HO.They are really debating about a road going HO.

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by metalmania

Having said that, would you consider a bathurst HO the same as a road going HO.They are really debating about a road going HO.

They were damn close (strict catagory rules stipulated it).. especially in 1971..
The HO was built to be able to be raced "off the showroom floor".

metalmania · 28-05-2008, 05:01 PM

Ok. There are some on there that feel a HO can acheive a top end speed of 160mph and obviously some who have totally laughed this off.I personally think that this may be acheivable, but we need to know if someone on this forum has pushed one that far.

XR6TCraig · 28-05-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gz1

Awesome.
There are two classic sounds that cannot be matched by todays machinery.
1. The sound of a clevo.
2. the sound of a duke.

What about the Dukes of today?

Still Dukes and still sound pretty bloody good too.

FTe342 · 28-05-2008, 05:07 PM

That was great! Good fun mixing it with the slower cars. He missed his opportunity to go around the Charger heading up towards the cutting when the Charger driver signalled for him to pass him on the right (hand went out the window)

Did you hear it chirp the rears going over the hump on Mountain straight!

His 3rd lap time, which was basically unimpeded, was same as I managed in the TE50 last December. And that was when I only had 220rwkw and the car was/still is full weight.

So as impressive as it does look and sound, its pretty average. Just ask the BA 290 boys and they'll tell you how much faster their Bosses are than a T3.

For the record, he would have been doing 240kph into the Chase as thats what I was doing to run that time

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shaynet

His 3rd lap time, which was basically unimpeded, was same as I managed in the TE50 last December. And that was when I only had 220rwkw and the car was/still is full weight.

So as impressive as it does look and sound, its pretty average. Just ask the BA 290 boys and they'll tell you how much faster their Bosses are than a T3.

For the record, he would have been doing 240kph into the Chase as thats what I was doing to run that time

The T3 would be carrying much more corner speed than the XY, by all accounts the crossplies the big bangers have to run are pretty ordinary compared to stuff like A048Rs. I'd say he was carrying a bit more straight line speed though.

A 1971 built car on cross plies matching the lap times of the "finest tickford built" on semislick radials is pretty impressive to me.

I suspect he wouldn't have power steer either.

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

The T3 would be carrying much more corner speed than the XY, by all accounts the crossplies the big bangers have to run are pretty ordinary compared to stuff like A048Rs. I'd say he was carrying a bit more straight line speed though.

A 1971 built car on cross plies matching the lap times of the "finest tickford built" on semislick radials is pretty impressive to me.

I suspect he wouldn't have power steer either.

Yep.
The top TCM Mustangs, Camaros and Falcons are in the high 2.20's to low 2.30's and nudging 300kph down conrod at Bathurst... a fair bit quicker than a 2.42 and 240kph..... These things haul butt.
I think Stuber cracked 300kph in 2006?

FTe342 · 28-05-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

The T3 would be carrying much more corner speed than the XY, by all accounts the crossplies the big bangers have to run are pretty ordinary compared to stuff like A048Rs. I'd say he was carrying a bit more straight line speed though.

A 1971 built car on cross plies matching the lap times of the "finest tickford built" on semislick radials is pretty impressive to me.

I suspect he wouldn't have power steer either.

Cross plys? They did have radials in 1971 you know. And like I said, my car is at full weight including the 13 element premium sound system. My car would be quicker without power steer robbing power

I think your right, I'd say I was faster thru the corners on the A048's, as the only place I used 2nd gear was thru the Cutting. I noticed he used it most corners although he could be running taller diff ratio. That being the case he was probably even quicker into the Chase which would put him up around the 160mph

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shaynet

Cross plys? They did have radials in 1971 you know. And like I said, my car is at full weight including the 13 element premium sound system. My car would be quicker without power steer robbing power

I think your right, I'd say I was faster thru the corners on the A048's, as the only place I used 2nd gear was thru the Cutting. I noticed he used it most corners although he could be running taller diff ratio. That being the case he was probably even quicker into the Chase which would put him up around the 160mph

My point about crossplies is that the XY in the vid was running them. They simply don't make a big enough a048 in 60 profile for a 15" rim to handle a 500+hp 1500kg car. The Nc big bangers resort to Hoosier or Goodyear crossplies.
I doubt you'd be quicker across the top of the mountain without power steer.
Talking about what gear he was in versus what you were in is meaningless, toploader vs 5speed. He'd probably be running 3.25s round there with the big hoosiers on the back and the 1:1 top gear.

Don't forget, 70's race rubber was worse than middle ground modern road rubber.

Your car would be quicker with a 500hp clevo stuffed in it, but thats also irrelevant.

jakkes · 28-05-2008, 06:01 PM

its got me absolutely stuffed why they don't televise this stuff on TV
it would be a big winner i recon !

jak

Abacus · 28-05-2008, 06:01 PM

That was an awesome performance.

xr8 utey · 28-05-2008, 06:04 PM

awesome vid! the shaker snapping with every gearchange! unbelievable!!!

Dezza · 28-05-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8 utey

awesome vid! the shaker snapping with every gearchange! unbelievable!!!

Yep. I certainly noticed that too! What an awesome vid. I want a V8 so bad now!

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 06:32 PM

Oh yeah, I also suspect that once he realised he wasn't going to catch the last 2 guys on the last lap he backed off, so his laptime on the last lap is not partuicularly usefull for comparisons...

GT 4eva · 28-05-2008, 06:47 PM

wow long live the legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTe342 · 28-05-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Oh yeah, I also suspect that once he realised he wasn't going to catch the last 2 guys on the last lap he backed off, so his laptime on the last lap is not partuicularly usefull for comparisons...

His 3rd lap was much quicker than the previous 2. He would have been out to prove a point - whether it was his car or not (I suspect its not). Every race driver is always out to prove their capabilities.

Certainly didn't appear/sound like he backed off to me.

Not taking anything away from the guy. It was a good effort and great piece of driving

Ringo · 28-05-2008, 07:14 PM

Tidy driving....very fast and very tidy....

Someone should send it to Greg Murphy as and example of how cars can go two abrest around the top without putting each other into the wall and blaming each other...

Am I the only one who thinks that the tacho has been blurred out?

I watched it full screen and you can't see the numbers the engine is pulling to...

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Am I the only one who thinks that the tacho has been blurred out?

Yep, you're the only one. Unless the whole vid has been blurred out...

Daymoe · 28-05-2008, 07:28 PM

Hiiiighway to the danger zone... Top gun music hehe.

Anyways, thats some awesome driving and an awesome car right there. Its insane how they drive right next to each other or right up each others pooper without hitting each other.

Ringo · 28-05-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Yep, you're the only one. Unless the whole vid has been blurred out...

Whats his shift point then?

Gammaboy · 28-05-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Whats his shift point then?

the 7th blurr round

Here's the results from the first race he was in that day... for reference, he's got the 7th fastest lap in the race.

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C18
Elsegood ran a 2:34 in another Nc XY

Results from the race in the vid:
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C29

Fastest lap I could find for Matt Mgrath was 2006, he ran a 2:39.

End game is an Nc Falcon would make mincemeat of your Tickford Taxi, despite all its wizzbang brakes and tyres...

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

the 7th blurr round

Here's the results from the first race he was in that day... for reference, he's got the 7th fastest lap in the race.

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C18
Elsegood ran a 2:34 in another Nc XY

Results from the race in the vid:
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C29

Fastest lap I could find for Matt Mgrath was 2006, he ran a 2:39.

End game is an Nc Falcon would make mincemeat of your Tickford Taxi, despite all its wizzbang brakes and tyres...

Yep, very true.. Elsegood is a mid packer in the TCM series too.. the "big boys" are a couple of seconds quicker again.

I also noticed the chargers bother the front runners either!

Nikked · 28-05-2008, 08:13 PM

if only cars were still like this...

Nostalgia · 28-05-2008, 08:15 PM

Definately the best video i have ever seen on You Tube. Absolutely love it. Pure Grunt at it's finest.

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xbgs351 · 28-05-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

fair enough, they never seem to do any good in the biante touringcar masters or Group Nc though, they're even in section B of the TCM for the smaller cars.. the Mustangs Camaros and Falcons seem to win everything.

The Chargers have spanked the field in Appendix J at the last few historic race meets that I have been to. These have included the Winton short course and Phillip Island. That Falcon would have no hope whatsoever at the Winton short course.

As for the Biante cars, I couldn't give a damn, the V8Supertaxis can have them.