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Oh boy. Here we go.
Remember E=MC2? In nuclear fission atoms are split into two components. During this process one element is split into two new ones. However, the weight of these two "new" elements weigh less than the orginal one. Ergo, the difference in mass is the released energy, known as a "mass defect". This process only really works for the large elements like uranium being split into smaller ones (I'll get to this later.) Nuclear fusion, is the reverse. The fusing of two small elements to form larger ones. Best example is fusing two hydrogen atoms to form helium. The helium weight is slightly less than the original sum of the two hydrogen molecules. Again, the coversion of mass "mass defect" is released as energy. The issue is that with either process, they both stop working around when you get up to the atomic mass of Iron. So, the fusing togther of elements higher than iron actually takes energy to achive...as does the splitting of elements below this. Correct me if I am wrong. But in relation to orginal arguments, you can destroy elements, but you create new ones. However, the process to do so is to overcome a nuclear force, rather than the energy held by breaking atomic bonds (as in combustion). As for: If what you are saying is true, you would be able to collect your own faeces, urine and sweat and scientifically recreate the meal you had the night before...... are you saying this is entirely possible? The answer to this is yes in terms of chemical bonds, as biological processes (sweat +urine+facies = grass + a cow eating it + sunlight = steak) over time would be able to recreate a steak. However, the atoms in the "new" steak (at a nuclear level) are not the original ones. I bet that'll do your head in |
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Plug in electric vehicles are pointless in Australia, it just moves the pollution elsewhere, to coal burning power stations. Its only really good at reducing emissions when the power is supplied by nuclear, wind or solar energy.
The most CO2 polluting thing in Australia is coal burning power stations, by a very large margin. Vehicles only make up less than 8% of CO2 emissions. |
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Hydrogen is only an energy storage/transfer system when used in this way. Which is more efficient? Solar/Wind/nuclear electric energy ---> produce H ---> use to produce power/electricity for cars Solar/Wind/nuclear electric energy ---> use to power electric cars Solar and wind generation alone will never be able to power all the millions of vehicles in the world, but with nuclear, there might be a chance. The best "green" solution is nuclear, if only the greenies would accept it. But the green religion was formed in the anti-nuclear era and is a basis of their beliefs, and it would be heresy to accept. [getting down off soapbox]. |
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I reckon this guy has the answer
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it is another fuel but it still needs electricity to make the process happen.
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there is only 1 answer..............
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Would look better lowered & 19in horseshoes on it
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now we just need a means to harness the biological energy. The Matrix anyone? |
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I am going to have to apologise for this. I was wrong.
I dont know what i was thinking about will have to go back to the books to find what it was. au3xr6 i am sorry. |
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Its a large part of the future, but It not going to be alone.
check out this Honda Fuel cell Hydrodgen... http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=205246 Honda's site http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-cla...=fcx.honda.com and ford? http://www.ford.com/innovation/envir...endly/hydrogen Ford Australia has joined forces with the Uni of Melbourne to Development of Hydrogen engines in Aus, with the help of $1.2 Mil grant from vic govenment.
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Brittan debuts Hydrogen Powered car
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Sorry, but a general campaign of fear in the community has kept us way behind the rest of the developed world in power generation. The only real green fuel that is sustainable and cheap is nuclear (nucular - Homer Simpson).
Comparisons between Chenobyl and what could happen hear are fanciful, farcical and generally laughable. Solar and windpower are good for trickling into the grid, but they're additional only and will never provide base load for atleast the next 100 years. As the worlds biggest uranium producer, not only is it hypocrisy that we are anti-nuclear; it is stupid and comes at the behest of our own environment.
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Chernobyl only happened due to Communist Bureaucracy and Poor Training, coupled to sub standard facilities. There is no way that Australia would build a Russian Reactor (however the Argentinean Reactor in Lucas Heights is a Lemon), we would purchase an American or European Reactor, and place it in a remote location. Unfortunately, the greenies would never allow it.
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The Technolagy is there for Gas from Water....it has been for some time.
The Problem is much of the Worlds economy revolves around the Petro Chemical industry, which would become obsolete over night...imagine the Global Chaos. Look at all the By Products of the Petro Chemical industry....even the tyres our cars roll on and the Bituman surface of the road they roll on. 2/3rds of planet Earth is covered with our greatest natural resource, water....but.... unfortunatly mankind developed technology in the Petro Chemical realm before discovering how to make Gas from plain old water. The Answer....supress and or buy out and shelve any new technology developed by the water to Gas crowd... Problem solved : That is what is really going on here people....Our Global Societys economic system revolves around Oil to the point of absolute must have dependance.....switching over to somthing as simple as gas power from water would be catastrophic to the Global economy....too many people jobs would dissapear over night. Has anybody seen the Aquayan Gas demonstartion (I think that was the name) where the Gas flame burned the top of a sheet of paper, while the excess returned to its natural state and dripped off the bottom edge of the same sheet as water. I have treid googaling that demonstration that was once Online, but either I have the name wrong....or it has been taken off line (no doubt by the petro Chemical industry) BMW has to fuel a power plant that will not cost people their jobs...what BMW has on display, is nothing to what they are capable of producing. You can be sure of that. Cheers all Last edited by Thankfull; 17-06-2009 at 08:44 PM. |
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What happened to my previous post? I thought I made some valid points regarding hydrogen being used as a battery more than anything else.
As for water from gas - I am aware of techniques for 'stretching' gasoline with water to make it go further (without huge amounts of electricity being used in the process), but not for replacing it entirey. Care to elaborate/link?
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As we are using coal fired power stations as well as natural gas, the advantages are moot. Further, the infrastructure of our electricity grid would not stand up to the massive draw that commercial hydrogen generation plants would require. It is simply not a matter of conspiracy, it is a matter of convenience (petroleum packs a lot of energy in a small package) and a lack of foresight on behalf of our elected officials to instigate cheaper, cleaner and abundant power generation to produce hydrogen on a commercially viable scale. Put simply, electricity is too inadequate and expensive at the moment for hydrogen production and our transmission system is old, crumbling and underfunded (since state governments corporatised electricity assets and stripped dividends which would have otherwise been put back into upgrades).
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Damn greenies. They are going off their heads about global warming, yet we have a way to cut our CO2 emmisions by a massive amount by switching to nuclear power, and they then btch and moan about nuclear waste and the virtually non existant chance of a meltdown. Idiots.
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Also they've apparently finding ways to make disposing of the waste even safer. Still needs a bit longer to go. http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2594051.htm
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Thought I'd mine this as I heard an expert on oil last night predicting the same old story of "US$200.00/barrel within 5-10 years".
Alarmist I'm sure, however in the last 6 months, oil has gone from US$35.00/barrel to yesterday US$73.00/barrel; just over a 200% increase. As governments corporatise and privatise all of our infrastructure assets, do we really have any hope of further development of massive infrastructure (electricity etc) to commercialise even electric vehicles let alone hydrogen?
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Not while corporate greed prevails anyway. I'm pretty sure corporations only upgrade technology when there's either massive public pressure or they can see huge profit looming. Not because the public gets served better or anything (despite what they say). Some technology upgrades aren't even trying to be better, they just say 'the newest' or 'latest' or some crap like that...
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Apparently Hydrogen works well with Rotary engines. Mazda has a fleet of 100 hydrogen powered RX8s being used by some northern european government (can't remember which one) as a large scale trial.
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Seems were already starting to look at it. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257604001BF0AC
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Hydrogen may not be dead people!
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