Duck protester shot

[cheap]

It was just a couple of tiny scratches, nothing to get too excited about. My kids get more hurt on their ripsticks.

[cosworthfreak]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Er... im guessing she was wearing it in the water to make herself visible... why would you put it on afterwards?

For the photo.

[nstg8a]

maybe we're looking at this all wrong...

scenario 2...

dad sees dumbass activist whos ruined past duck shooting seasons, also happens to be sons first duck shoot, after last year was ruined by protesters... hands gun to son, 'here boy, theres that woman that ruined duck shooting season for us last year'

'no worries dad, ive seen judge judy, im only 14, worst il get is weekly shrink visits for a while'

BOOM

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

For the photo.

and you know this for a fact?

Hang on i been shot, ill put on a jacket and get my back pack....

[SEZ213]

Yet another thread destined for the crapper...perhaps getting personal is a little silly guys...some top comments on the herald sun page...

[cosworthfreak]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

and you know this for a fact?

Hang on i been shot, ill put on a jacket and get my back pack....

No, I didn't say it was fact, and it's certainly not out of the question. That's the sort of thing someone who puts themselves in the line of fire might think. Makes a good front page - gets your cause right up there in the headlines. If she hadn't been shot, do you think the presence of protesters at this years duck opening would have been reported so widely?

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by fmc351

You need to read my first post (25).

I have not said she didnt contribute to her own situation, nor did I say the 14 yr old was deliberately targeting a human being. I did state that protesters should not be protesting in the way they do, its dumb and fraught with danger.

Many of my comments are on shooting in general, as that is the way this will play out.

I get it, he followed a duck, much like a skeet, and fired. Ive done that at Imbil, where the skeets come out of the trees, with trees everywhere. That range is in the bush, literally. However, that doesnt change the fact that some of his shot hit a woman. That in itself says something about shooting, that I as a shooter, dont want said. Its more ammo to the cause of banning hunting and guns.

She shouldnt have been there at all, let alone in the water. But anyone who says that is the way hunting is, is damaging the cause of hunting and gun ownership.

Honestly, gun owners are their own worst enemy.

Shooting is dangerous, anyone with half a brain can figure that out. She jumped into the water, she shouldn't have been there. She broke the law. The kid has nothing to be sorry about. The only person that should be sorry is the woman who went swimming in the live fire zone.

This self defeatism that runs like a plague through the australian shooting community practically guarantees that we will never progress to sensible gun laws ever again. It isn't even conceivable to blame the shooter in a situation like this and to think otherwise is insanity.

[ThaFlash]

good job, she should go stand in the middle of the freeway to slow down cars going too fast or even pee on a nuclear reactor that's about to go into meltdown.



duck season......


wabbit season.......

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

No, I didn't say it was fact, and it's certainly not out of the question. That's the sort of thing someone who puts themselves in the line of fire might think. Makes a good front page - gets your cause right up there in the headlines. If she hadn't been shot, do you think the presence of protesters at this years duck opening would have been reported so widely?

It is a possibility, hardly any blood on the jacket compared to what is on her chin.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/art...test-news.html

[SEZ213]

I'm no expert, far from it, but the article does say she was in the water. I don't know about any of you but most people would go into shock after such an incident, and thus made 'warm'...

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

Shooting is dangerous, anyone with half a brain can figure that out. She jumped into the water, she shouldn't have been there. She broke the law. The kid has nothing to be sorry about. The only person that should be sorry is the woman who went swimming in the live fire zone.

This self defeatism that runs like a plague through the australian shooting community practically guarantees that we will never progress to sensible gun laws ever again. It isn't even conceivable to blame the shooter in a situation like this and to think otherwise is insanity.

Cheers. The so called 'defeatist' attitude you speak of didnt alter gun laws to the current state, John Howard and the past attitudes of gun ownership did, that and a massive majority of Australians who think all gun owners are crazed rednecks, or Charles Manson (Ivan Milat, Julian Knight, Martin Bryant etc).

If you really think we can get back some of what was lost, youre fooling yourself. The best we can hope for, is some degree of common sense in what we have left, and no more restrictions. A more likely scenario is much more restrictions to come.

The bulk of Australians dont like guns, nor do they think shooters can be trusted with them, even the law abiding ones. Apparently the shotguns and rifles in my possession are the same 'handguns' being used to commit crimes in Sydney or Melbourne. Some are nuts enough to think they are same RPGs and possibly even the IED's from the middle east. Many, while not dumb enough to get in the water etc, think were all murderers. They dont think we have that, "oh, look at the cute bunny wabbit" mindset, thus we eat puppies and kittens too.

You might want to give some serious thought to why we find ourselves with less gun rights, than we once had. Maybe once we understand it, we can re-educate the population, and then, maybe, we can get some reality back into the issue

[Full Noise]

[Full Noise]

[nstg8a]

the first pic is the best... funny stuff

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by 84ltd

I don't see anything wrong with what you've said there but i posed the question as a possibility due to his inexeperience. I still believe it's a bit harsh to say he's not gun smart, i would say he's just not experienced.

6 of one, half dozen of the other. Thats not to say the 14 yr olds needs to be strung up, or used to make an example. But saying accidents are par for the course will only end in a shift towards ending our right to use the course.


Dont believe me? Look at speed as an issue and the massive rollout of cameras. And then look at P platers and the restrictions they have. And the list goes on. No need for cameras in gun control, just ban guns and hunting. A debate about whether its right or wrong is missing the point, i already know its wrong. But thats the way the wind blows regardless.

How did taking away your right to own a pump action shotgun because thats the shotgun you wanted, make the world safer in the first place. Is a massacre less likely as a result? Nope, I know mine was never going to be used like that. They still did it.

The way shooters approach these situations, is very much the issue.

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Cheers. The so called 'defeatist' attitude you speak of didnt alter gun laws to the current state, John Howard and the past attitudes of gun ownership did, that and a massive majority of Australians who think all gun owners are crazed rednecks, or Charles Manson (Ivan Milat, Julian Knight, Martin Bryant etc).

If you really think we can get back some of what was lost, youre fooling yourself.

I have to believe that we can do it otherwise I'm going to have to leave this country and become the citizen of another nation just to have what my father had when he was 15.

The gun lobby failed to stop the momentum of the 1990s, thus they failed my generation. Alarm bells should have been ringing when Howard was promising more in the way of gun control in the lead up to the 1996 election.

I've heard from first hand sources the way the NRA operates in America, they practically HAMMER their members to contribute and rally against any politician that seeks to take away their rights, thus they stay on the initiative even when horrible things happen like the recent shooting with the congresswoman. You can't say that was ever instilled here.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

I have to believe that we can do it otherwise I'm going to have to leave this country and become the citizen of another nation just to have what my father had when he was 15.

The gun lobby failed to stop the momentum of the 1990s, thus they failed my generation. Alarm bells should have been ringing when Howard was promising more in the way of gun control in the lead up to the 1996 election.

I've heard from first hand sources the way the NRA operates in America, they practically HAMMER their members to contribute and rally against any politician that seeks to take away their rights, thus they stay on the initiative even when horrible things happen like the recent shooting with the congresswoman. You can't say that was ever instilled here.

You cant compare the NRA to anything in Aus. To understand that, you need to consider what was life like for the average citizen of the colonies that now make up the US. The times, and circumstances. We dont have a 2nd amendment (contains the right to bear arms). We dont even have a Bill of Rights to list it in, let alone one drawn up at a time where it was muskets and the English were ruling with an iron fist, a time of revolution and Indians etc (thus to a large degree the impetus on gun ownership rights). Let alone at that time, guns were used, or moreover actually needed, to feed your family.

Even if we were to gain a bill of rights, you can bet your life it wont have gun ownership involved in it. If the US were to draw up a bill of rights for the first time today, it would not include guns either. Obviously that would be hard today to understand, as they have such a history. But Im talking absent that history obviously. With that history the NRA can fight changes tooth and nail, and have force of law (that amendment I mentioned) to back them. We dont.


The gun lobby in Aus didnt fail, they never really had a chance, and with the Port Arthur massacre, it was a done deal. The voting public of Aus, is the majority, and the majority dont like guns.

Gun owners failed to understand the debate, and thus alienated themselves from the masses. This led to the position where politicians could easily do away with rights, and not lose an election. Only those in seats with large gun owner populations had to worry about it. Gun owners fighting amongst themselves, gun owners at crossed purposes. Gun owners that failed to see the writing on the wall, failing to listen to those who did and tried to minimise the effects of the changes.

You dont instill confidence in the city dwelling public, when you yell and threaten about taking my gun, the contents come first for example, in a flanno or farmers clobber with a disheveled beard, about your rights to own a firearm. Or stating stupid greenies or whatever, deserve what they get, like being shot in the face. All that does is make people think "Jebus, I dont want them with a gun". And they dont need to care, as they dont want a gun anyway.

[ThaFlash]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

I have to believe that we can do it otherwise I'm going to have to leave this country and become the citizen of another nation just to have what my father had when he was 15.

come to kriti (crete) where one half of my family is from if you want to see guns, we are law onto ourselves and untouchable.

any parties, birthdays weddings etc.... and the machine guns come out....even hand grenades

everyone carries at least a handgun, like wallets or mobile phones, the gun is considered part of the body and therefor cannot be removed.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ThaFlash

everyone carries at least a handgun, like wallets or mobile phones, the gun is considered part of the body and therefor cannot be removed.

Sounds like Sydney’s western suburbs.

[ThaFlash]

yeah but those in western syd are cowards of the highest order, but the cretans are LEGENDS! amongst other legendary and historical feats the only ones to capture a german general during ww2.

[russellw]

I think this has weaved enough of a merry path.

Cheers
Russ