Falcon EcoBoost sales

[redman]

EcoBoost good, EcoLPI better. (appologies to George)

I have done 26,000km on $2100.00 of fuel in a G6E EcoLPI. Fantastic real world $ per 100km economy in a car that accelerates like a bat out of hell.

[superfly]

This has been mentioned probably a thousand times before, the reason they don't sell is that people don't want the large car anymore. They either want a medium sized sedan (Camry, Mazda 6 etc) or a SUV.

So I'm not surprised Ford is trying to advertise the Mondeo, it's more what the punters want.

[BroadyFord]

Can't believe the current Falcon has more than a year still to run! What's te bet they'll be at 200-300 a month by then?

[Agile]

Originally Posted by kypez

Mate, I'm sure you'll love it! I've got 16000 kms on mine now with trips to Brissy and Melbourne. As I've mentioned before, I got from Melbourne to Sydney on a single tank. Brissy saw me needing to get fuel half way between Gold Coast and Brissy. Its awesome on the highway and really great on fuel. The gearing has been setup to keep the car at around 2000 rpm (peak torque) at 110kms/hr which makes overtaking really good and reduces the number of drop downs when it comes to hills.

I might add that I have debadged my car so no one will know its a G6E or Ecoboost from the back (not because I'm hiding anything, I've done the same on my XR8).

It still boggles the mind that they arent selling well cause its really an amazingly well made car. The less weight through the twisty's makes it so much fun for a soft sprung car. The dynamics are fantastic for a big car with the non sports suspension.

And there you have it. Why would you buy a Mazda 3 or whatever when this package is available? Could it something to do with the fact that the vast majority of Australian sedan buyers are . A. Stupid ? B Really Stupid ? C Dont really give a rats **** about the local industry and just want the cheapest car possible even if it means driving with your knees around your ears ?
I'm going for a combination of A and C

[Pepscobra]

So if people dont want large sedans anymore, why isnt the EcoBoost available in the Territory yet?

I love the Falcon, but its blatently obvious that the future of local Ford manufacturing lies with the Territory; its sales are steadily increasing and I think FoA needs to make it their new poster child and give it more desirablity to a wider audience. Increased Territory sales are also good for the viability of the Falcon anyways.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Agile

And there you have it. Why would you buy a Mazda 3 or whatever when this package is available? Could it something to do with the fact that the vast majority of Australian sedan buyers are . A. Stupid ? B Really Stupid ? C Dont really give a rats **** about the local industry and just want the cheapest car possible even if it means driving with your knees around your ears ?
I'm going for a combination of A and C

Mazda 3 is 25 grand. Falcon Ecoboost is 40 grand - that is your reason.


If Ecoboost was a nationally consistent and advertised 30 grand it would make a massive difference.

Dealer specials dont count as you have to be looking at Falcon Ecoboost to begin with to know how cheap you can get it. People dont realise how competitive Falcon can be on price so it never even appears on their shopping list, hence they need a national campaign showing a competitive price.

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by superfly

So I'm not surprised Ford is trying to advertise the Mondeo, it's more what the punters want.

The problem is they are advertising something they cant get supply of at the moment.... why!?

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Mazda 3 is 25 grand. Falcon Ecoboost is 40 grand - that is your reason.


If Ecoboost was a nationally consistent and advertised 30 grand it would make a massive difference.

Dealer specials dont count as you have to be looking at Falcon Ecoboost to begin with to know how cheap you can get it. People dont realise how competitive Falcon can be on price so it never even appears on their shopping list, hence they need a national campaign showing a competitive price.

I expect the 'special' price is simply unsustainable in this end game.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by ryeman

I expect the 'special' price is simply unsustainable in this end game.

I have no idea what the sustainable price is but Im sure they sell them cheaper to the rental companies than that.

When you go to whirlpool automotive forums - you get to see a real snapshot of the normal buying public.

The number of people buying car around that 30 grand price point is truly massive, mid spec small car, base model small SUVs, mid sized sedans. 30 grand seems to be the private buyer hub for purchases.

Would just love to see a 'Falcon for 30' campaign even just for a month to see what happens. I think it would be a hit - but yes, who knows how sustainable. On the plus side the Ecoboost engines must be cheaper to import at the moment with the strong AUD.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Agile

And there you have it. Why would you buy a Mazda 3 or whatever when this package is available? Could it something to do with the fact that the vast majority of Australian sedan buyers are . A. Stupid ? B Really Stupid ? C Dont really give a rats **** about the local industry and just want the cheapest car possible even if it means driving with your knees around your ears ?
I'm going for a combination of A and C

What a simplistic and unsubstantiated generalisation.
I could use what you said to state why buy a local sedan and only C would be different with blind closed minded redneck patriotic purchase. See how it works?

You like your large sedans that's great but not everyone does and nor does everyone need/want one. So while you bag out the choice of many car buyers out there how about looking at the possible reasoning behind their choice instead of just slanging them with comments that I would expect from neanderthal?
There are many possible scenarios and I'll give you a couple.

• No need for a large sedan
• Bad experience with local cars
• Price
• Quality

So instead of calling people stupid it would be better to understand why they made that choice in the first place.

[Pepscobra]

I wish it was that simple to just slash the price of the car to $30K.

No doubt it could be done and Ford would still make money on it.... in the short term.
However, I don't believe its that simple... there are resale values to consider and I'm sure car manufacturers respect that people buy new cars with resale in mind.
To 'dump' a cheaper model on the market drops the value of the existing cars, in turn turning away current owners who have been tarnished.

I could be way off the mark, but I believe this has something to do with it.

[kypez]

I suspect the Falcon could have room to move in EcoBoost guise with the strong dollar making the engines cheaper and the gearbox as well (is the ZF an import?). That should allow Ford to promote the XT closer to $30k.

I think the problem is that the XR series doesnt get EcoBoost. (I know this has been discussed in other threads, but it really is an issue!!) I would have bought an XR6 (or whatever) with an EcoBoost with the luxury pack (19's, leather, etc) in a heartbeat in Kinetic. I settled for Smoke, but I much rather a nice bright colour than the very boring G Series colours. The XR's sell very well and having an EcoBoost XR would help EcoBoost's cause.

[Agile]

Originally Posted by Wretched

What a simplistic and unsubstantiated generalisation.
I could use what you said to state why buy a local sedan and only C would be different with blind closed minded redneck patriotic purchase. See how it works?

You like your large sedans that's great but not everyone does and nor does everyone need/want one. So while you bag out the choice of many car buyers out there how about looking at the possible reasoning behind their choice instead of just slanging them with comments that I would expect from neanderthal?
There are many possible scenarios and I'll give you a couple.

• No need for a large sedan
• Bad experience with local cars
• Price
• Quality

So instead of calling people stupid it would be better to understand why they made that choice in the first place.

Thanks for setting me straight. I was getting very negative re what the Australian SEDAN buying public do when it comes to buying a SEDAN. Have had first hand experiences with 4 people/ family members that have behaved as I sudjest. Very disheartening, especially when they cant fit your golf clubs into THEIR BOOT. So I have to take MY Territory. No wonder THEIR fuel economy is so bloody good. Not all are the same but why would you buy a Mazda 3, Hyundia whatever ,Kia S-box other than for the price ? The Falcon in either eco-boost or Lpi would be a much better option IMHO. Oh, and their kids might have a job in the future. It's not all about the" NOW"
Thanks again.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

So if people dont want large sedans anymore, why isnt the EcoBoost available in the Territory yet?

Cause they got diesel instead?

Originally Posted by Brazen

Would just love to see a 'Falcon for 30' campaign even just for a month to see what happens. I think it would be a hit - but yes, who knows how sustainable. On the plus side the Ecoboost engines must be cheaper to import at the moment with the strong AUD.

I wonder if the Falcon XR's were selling when they were $34990 drive away plus $2K cashback so $32990 drive away. That was a lot of car for not a lot of money.

Originally Posted by kypez

The XR's sell very well and having an EcoBoost XR would help EcoBoost's cause.

I agree, a XR6 ecoboost would be fantastic.

[turbodewd]

People are still buying Falcons, lets dispel the myth that they dont. For the first quarter it outsold the Maxima, Mazda6, Liberty and Accord. And those are smaller when supposedly the large segment is dead!

Large isnt dead, its just not as popular as it once was.

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by kypez

Mate, I'm sure you'll love it! I've got 16000 kms on mine now with trips to Brissy and Melbourne. As I've mentioned before, I got from Melbourne to Sydney on a single tank. Brissy saw me needing to get fuel half way between Gold Coast and Brissy. Its awesome on the highway and really great on fuel. The gearing has been setup to keep the car at around 2000 rpm (peak torque) at 110kms/hr which makes overtaking really good and reduces the number of drop downs when it comes to hills.

I might add that I have debadged my car so no one will know its a G6E or Ecoboost from the back (not because I'm hiding anything, I've done the same on my XR8).

It still boggles the mind that they arent selling well cause its really an amazingly well made car. The less weight through the twisty's makes it so much fun for a soft sprung car. The dynamics are fantastic for a big car with the non sports suspension.

If it's a quick answer (so as not to go off topic), what sort of real world fuel mileage are you getting ? Interested buyer here.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by The Snout

If it's a quick answer (so as not to go off topic), what sort of real world fuel mileage are you getting ? Interested buyer here.

Drive from Brissy to Newcastle via New England 7.2 litres/100
Sydney to Brissy via Pacific highway 7.4 litres/100
Melbourne to Sydney on the hume 7.0 litres/100
Sydney to Canberra and back - 7.9 litre/100 with 5 adults (3 over 110 kilos) and luggage and driving around Canberra.

Mixed driving around town (motorways and traffic) on 98 I'm seeing roughly 9-10 litres/100

On E10, that moves to 10.8 around town.

Worst in peak hour for the entire tank saw numbers hit 12.8 litres/100 on E10. Happened only on 1 tank so not sure if it was just a bad run.

its sitting on 8.5 with a mix of driving from newcastle to sydney and driving around sydney now on this tank.

Very good numbers as far as I'm concerned for a large car I might add that I do have a bit of a lead foot and dont always drive efficiently

[csv8]

I can drive from Brisbane to Rockhampton on a full tank in my BF MK 2 GHIA..very happy !!!

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

This is how well the Ford website is promoting EcoBoost on the XT...

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Is the Falcon XT sold as a rolling shell these days? According to that spec sheet it doesn't come with any sort of engine or transmission at all.

[Pepscobra]

i was waiting for someone to notice that.

the website really isnt giving the product the support it needs.

[Nikked]

I dunno...this seems good.

http://www.ford.com.au/ecoboost?site...ecoboost&pmt=b

[superfly]

Originally Posted by turbodewd

People are still buying Falcons, lets dispel the myth that they dont. For the first quarter it outsold the Maxima, Mazda6, Liberty and Accord. And those are smaller when supposedly the large segment is dead!

Yes they are but unfortunately not in the quantity that they need to be selling to remain profitable and applicable in the car market.

It's great that it outsold the Mazda6, Liberty and Accord but I'll bet those models will still be available for sale when the Falcon isn't available anymore. That's a real shame.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by superfly

Yes they are but unfortunately not in the quantity that they need to be selling to remain profitable and applicable in the car market.

Said who?


Ford haven't said that yet...and they are investing money in the falcon, and the production lines...

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Said who?


Ford haven't said that yet...and they are investing money in the falcon, and the production lines...

The sales figures. I sincerly hope the Falcon continues on as I love mine.

[csv8]

THIS should be on tv !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00jyd-p-DiA

[jpd80]

OPositive comments for Bob Graziano that Ford is still trying to grow Falcon sales with the Ecoboost engine without replacing I-6 sales.

You jnow what?
If Ecoboost wasn't so good, no one would be viewing it as an I-6 replacement but I have a feeling
that in order to properly market the ecoboost and its virtues, the I-6 will probably become a casualty
if indeed Ford wants to refocus buyers

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by superfly

The sales figures. I sincerly hope the Falcon continues on as I love mine.

Sales figures...

We dont know what the profit margins are, unit costs, overheads etc...


What we do know is.

-Ford have commited to the Falcon, 2014 update taked it out past 2016.
-Ford have spent money on the plant, allowing models to gain global tech
-Ford have not made any engerneers redundant, this indicates future thinking
-Ford bought prodrives operations.


-Ford have not said the falcon is dead
-Ford have not said the falcon is not viable.

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by kypez

Drive from Brissy to Newcastle via New England 7.2 litres/100
Sydney to Brissy via Pacific highway 7.4 litres/100
Melbourne to Sydney on the hume 7.0 litres/100
Sydney to Canberra and back - 7.9 litre/100 with 5 adults (3 over 110 kilos) and luggage and driving around Canberra.

Mixed driving around town (motorways and traffic) on 98 I'm seeing roughly 9-10 litres/100

On E10, that moves to 10.8 around town.

Worst in peak hour for the entire tank saw numbers hit 12.8 litres/100 on E10. Happened only on 1 tank so not sure if it was just a bad run.

its sitting on 8.5 with a mix of driving from newcastle to sydney and driving around sydney now on this tank.

Very good numbers as far as I'm concerned for a large car I might add that I do have a bit of a lead foot and dont always drive efficiently

Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback of some real world experience with the vehicle. I was looking at replacing our second car (12yo Astra) with another small car. But the more I read about Eco Falcon, the more I'm being swayed to it.

[ryeman]

I think not enough emphasis is placed on the almost unique roads that Oz vehicles have to endure from bulldust filled potholes, corrugations, coarse chip bitumen etc.
It used to be referred to as being important, but now its rarely mentioned, its under valued now sadly.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by The Snout

Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback of some real world experience with the vehicle. I was looking at replacing our second car (12yo Astra) with another small car. But the more I read about Eco Falcon, the more I'm being swayed to it.

And thats exactly what I was thinking as well. The car (as I've mentioned in other threads) was for my sister and I was looking at a Focus but thought I'd give the EcoBoost a go. I'm so happy I did! It really is the best of both worlds.

I might add that the capped price servicing for the first service is $250 with a years worth of roadside assistance. To put it in perspective, the Focus costs $335 (2.0 litre donk) for the 15,000 kms service! (I might add that I didnt pay $250 for the service as I have a long standing relationship with the service manager at a certain dealership in Sydney who did it a lot cheaper than the $250). WIN!!!