Government solution to petrol prices - Page 3

gtfpv · 19-09-2005, 02:51 PM

now lets rate income taxes and gst with all these developed countries shall we.any one asked thier accountants lately about who pays the most tax in the developed world ? i wouldn't know but my accountant should . answer from him is ICELAND. his reasoning is because they have very little population . secondly followed by australia . no it couldn't be could it .( overall tax here )
but on the other hand i have asked lots of people who have come here to live from other developed countries why do they chose to live here and the answer usually is the weather is better tha lifestyle is better , but the money isn't very good here ,they say the lifestyle and the weather outwieghs the finance.all excapt americans who don't know the differance between australia , austria , and lebonon.

**GasoLane** · 19-09-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Its time we realised the true value of this fuel. Theres not much of the stuff left.

S'funny this was the excuse for raising oil prices during the first gulf war.

19-09-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Americans pay very little tax on their fuel. Very interesting graph altho im not sure it's what the "let's cut the tax" proponents will want to see:

This demonstrates quite effectively, that the "non-tax" component of fuel is similar in most OECD countries - I think this answers your query?

You will also note that we pay considerably less tax on our fuel than, well, everyone except USA, Mexico and Canada....

I wonder what that graph would look like if Arab states were added in there...

Just for an idea, quote from http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?R...tCountry=YEMEN

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SANA, 21 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Tension remains high in the Yemeni capital, Sana, after 16 people were reportedly killed on Wednesday during protests....

"This is really a crazy decision. I cannot pay 1,300 riyals (US $7) for 20 litres of petrol. I will have to park my car at home or sell it. People are very poor and can no longer afford any price hikes," Mohammed Ali, an angry protestor, said.

The same amount of petrol previously cost $4.....

The Yemeni government decided on Tuesday to lift subsidies on oil products in order to tackle a rising budget deficit as a result of the international increase in the price of crude oil.

4.9 EF Futura · 19-09-2005, 03:15 PM

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now lets rate income taxes and gst with all these developed countries shall we

Can do:

Yep, we're right up there. But when does the analysis stop? We have an incredible public health system that costs taxpayers about $55 billion a year to operate... fairly generous welfare system...

GST rates... well, a few of them... there is over 200 countries that charge this stuff... (GST and VAT)

USA: n/a (sales taxes)
Mexico: 15%
Canada: 7 - 15% depending on province
NZ: 12.5%
Greece: 19%
Poland: 22%
France: 19.6%
Germany: 16%
Netherlands: 19%
Spain: 16%
Japan: 5%

Seems like Canada puts us all to shame - low marginal tax, little fuel excise, free health system, GST not too bad... pity about all the Candians ;)

Either way, doesnt look like we have it too bad considering there's only 20 odd million of us and probably only 12 million of us paying tax and supporting a large, developed country....

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-09-2005, 05:09 PM

Mate post graphs till the cows come home for all i care, it won't change the fact that Howard led people to believe all these taxes would scapped in favour of 10% GST across the board, the GST was voted in, then came the exceptions, ciggarettes and alcohol has to have a "sin tax" for being bad for you, excise stayed on fuel and GST was added to it, we have been and will continue to be shafted.

4.9 EF Futura · 19-09-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Mate post graphs till the cows come home for all i care,

What's the point? Just trying to use some facts to support where im coming from. Everyone else seems happy to rely on conjecture and heresay to point fingers at the government.

NAK302 · 19-09-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

I've been saying it for ages. 20 million people do NOT need 3 levels of government and the logical place to remove is the state governments. God knows they dont do anything useful that couldnt be absorbed easily enough into Federal and local.

i have to agree with this. get rid of state level and inject the revenue back into civil projects and a decent national rail system.

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-09-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

What's the point? Just trying to use some facts to support where im coming from. Everyone else seems happy to rely on conjecture and heresay to point fingers at the government.

Nevermind me, i'm lashing out due to frustration, but if not the government, who else has the power to do something.

AusCaRnAgEr · 19-09-2005, 10:51 PM

When will people realise that diesels use en less fuel then Petrol, yet people seem to feel the need to charge us more for having them...

MrQuan · 19-09-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

now lets rate income taxes and gst with all these developed countries shall we.any one asked thier accountants lately about who pays the most tax in the developed world ? i wouldn't know but my accountant should . answer from him is ICELAND. his reasoning is because they have very little population . secondly followed by australia . no it couldn't be could it .( overall tax here )
but on the other hand i have asked lots of people who have come here to live from other developed countries why do they chose to live here and the answer usually is the weather is better tha lifestyle is better , but the money isn't very good here ,they say the lifestyle and the weather outwieghs the finance.all excapt americans who don't know the differance between australia , austria , and lebonon.

Had an American move here and started work in the same office. He was always b!tching about the tax and expenses in Australia. He moved back to the USA a few weeks ago

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clampy · 19-09-2005, 11:16 PM

fuel prices are going up and will keep going up as it gets harder to find easy places to extract the crude... we'l probably never run out of crude, but the last bits will be too expensive to extract to make it viable for everyday mass use.. hence hybrid/hydrogen etc etc..

AusCaRnAgEr · 19-09-2005, 11:19 PM

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the last estimate for full depletion of the fuel reserves to be 2025-2030?

chevypower · 19-09-2005, 11:21 PM

[QUOTE=4.9 EF Futura]Seems like you all want your cake... and want to eat it too?

Chevy, i assume the above posted 'facts' are consumption figures quoted by the manufacturer? The VZ monaro is claimed to "average" 13.7L/100km.... Most of the reviews of these cars say averages closer to 17L/100km and I can tell you a ford 5.0L with a small blower on it will give you 20L/100km puttering around at 60km/hr. I got no beef with 4x4 in the city but to pretend they dont guzzle is laughable.

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I was using comparitive figures you are right, so even if all figures were more than that, as long as the figures are fair for comparitive reasons, and that's what i was using. yes diesel 4wds will get 10 l per 100 in the real world, Prados will get 13 if u baby them, and you said it yourself, cars can use 20L per 100km (in fact thats without a small blower) - so there is no black and white line in fuel consumption between cars and fourbies, which is what I said - i also suggested, taken in to consideration, the extra seating, you can argue it's "efficiency" as opposed to outright fuel consumption too. ANyway, i know how much they all use, i have driven most of them, and driven XR8s, GTs etc, i saw 19L per 100km show up on the GTP i was driving - didnt freak me out too much, but you get what i mean.

Philbie · 20-09-2005, 01:27 AM

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this debate will never end.......if cars ran on fresh air - they'd fine a way to charge us for that!!!

NEVER EVER will it end........NEVER EVER will things get cheaper - and NEVER EVER will politians listen to their voters......

What happened to dymo run lights on push bikes? free to run - no costs involved!

They develop a friction free ceramic engine - it gets canned by all types of companies, why? cause it eliminates oil!

They develop a methane car - the oil companys bought it out.....

They invented electric scooters that charge off friction from the contact on the road - yet another "bought item"

bottom line? ------ politics plays too much havoc in the world as we know it today. We are sheep being lead to the slaughter.

if they don't get control first - mother nature and it's anger at how we treat this plant will.....

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my answer..........

"Mov'in to the country - gunna eat me alot of peaches"

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mik · 20-09-2005, 04:42 AM

no two ways about it mr howard is taking his share and then some , and there are many other fuels that we could be using and perhaps should be using, that are cheaper and more envirometally friendly but its easier for oil companys and goverments to rape profits and taxes out of us

Ghiadude · 20-09-2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

What's the point? Just trying to use some facts to support where im coming from. Everyone else seems happy to rely on conjecture and heresay to point fingers at the government.

READ THIS
THE FEDERAL GOVT IS PLANNING TO RAISE THE FUEL EXCISE...
WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THAT??
THEYVE JUST MADE A RECORD WINDFALL AND NOW THEY WANT MORE!!!

Dodge · 20-09-2005, 06:36 AM

so its OK to have 100 V8s sitting outside Palament house all day running with the driver and AC on. Its OK for a pollitition to fly where ever ,whenever they want, for free, its OK for a pollos family to run up hugh phone bills and travel around for free while i work and pay a taxes on my taxes. lets stand up to them

MITCHAY · 20-09-2005, 08:20 AM

Good point Dodge. I dont see why any politicians should have to use a hire car wherever they go either. Surely a taxi is sufficient enough for unofficial gatherings. The amount of money they rack up in travel expenses is just BS, yet we get charged heaps for using our own means of getting somewhere.

jmc-007 · 20-09-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Waggajag

S'funny this was the excuse for raising oil prices during the first gulf war.

Yeah im sure the areses have another one brewing.

:lookedat:

You can crap on about the economics of everything but the simple fact is Howard and his cronies are screwing us. If it wasnt of petrol then its with telstra and if its not those then it will be something else.

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4.9 EF Futura · 20-09-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tx3dude

READ THIS
THE FEDERAL GOVT IS PLANNING TO RAISE THE FUEL EXCISE...
WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THAT??
THEYVE JUST MADE A RECORD WINDFALL AND NOW THEY WANT MORE!!!

NO NEED TO YELL!!!

It runs for 2 years and is about 0.6c/L. And guess what? It was planned back in 2003. I didnt hear you complaining about it then??? Hell, Howard went to the polls again since then and was handed another mandate.

Guess what - there's more to life than f--king tax and petrol prices. Open your eyes.

4.9 EF Futura · 20-09-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jmc-007

You can crap on about the economics of everything but the simple fact is Howard and his cronies are screwing us.

Yes, i will crap on about the economics of everything. You can look for easy answers, you can , winge and point fingers. Case in point:

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If it wasnt of petrol then its with telstra and if its not those then it will be something else.

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The whinging will never stop unless we get unleaded fuel for 50c/L and dont pay any income tax.

Even with stark numbers put up for all to see which show we dont have it any worse than any other country in the world, you're still not going to listen. There's more to running a government than making sure petrol is cheap.

PS. Couple of questions regarding depletion of oil supplies... some awesome reading to be had here: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

I really recommend reading the parts about alternative fuels. We've been led to believe by the greenies that it's simply a matter of flicking the switch to hydrogen/biofuels etc etc. Not going to happen.

Or just search for "peak oil" on google.

brenx · 20-09-2005, 05:45 PM

It'd be amusing to loose all state gov'ts and only have a federal one. That'd save the tax payer money. I think you'll find what annoys people is the gov't state/federal posts record profits like Telstra did for example. Then they increase the tax/bill? Isn't the gov't supposed to work for the public? Not against it.

It would be ideal but will never happen if the gov't turned non-profit. It's all been screwed up too long ago and now we (Australia) owe other countries money. I won't how this free trade agreement will go? It may add to our problems?